How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 8)
Discussion
SpeckledJim said:
SunsetZed said:
That's because, and I'm basing this on your other posts, you're either unbelievably blinkered in your view or just trying to get a response.
Either way I firmly do not believe that remain would poll 60% and would love to pay off my mortgage. How big a bet would you like to put on this?
You're approaching the Event Horizon of a conversation with H123. Go very steady.Either way I firmly do not believe that remain would poll 60% and would love to pay off my mortgage. How big a bet would you like to put on this?
jsf said:
Those facts are just small exit polls extrapolated, no one knows the truth because the referendum, just like all UK general elections are by secret ballot.
And yet they know your voter registration number from which, I believe they can also obtain your identifying information such as your date of birth and national insurance number etc, .........just in case a apparently?djc206 said:
mattmurdock said:
I figured a silly question deserved a silly answer. It maybe be that the role is currently treated as symbolic, but as head of state the Queen or her representatives must provide royal assent before a bill can become law in all the Commonwealth countries with parliamentary democracies. That assent has not been withheld since 1707 anywhere does not preclude it happening in the future, regardless of the constitutional crisis that may trigger.
All this hyperbole about sovereignty is ridiculous, as we have been an independent nation with parliamentary sovereignty the entire time we have been members of the EU.
The Commonwealth realms yes, about a third of commonwealth countries.All this hyperbole about sovereignty is ridiculous, as we have been an independent nation with parliamentary sovereignty the entire time we have been members of the EU.
1936 in Alberta was the last time according to wiki.
But yes I quite agree with your last paragraph.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_assent
https://www.lieutenantgovernor.ab.ca/cfcms/default...
It would appear that there has been some skulduggery involving the Sovereign's reserved powers more than once in the UK since the reign of Queen Anne.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2013/jan/15/ministe...
On the subject of parliamentary sovereignty, that is true, but only to the extent that it is supreme legal authority in the UK, which can create or end any law.
What you, and others, seemingly fail to acknowledge (whether by ignorance or design I do not know) is how membership of the EU puts the shackles on national legislatures.
https://europa.eu/european-union/eu-law/legal-acts...
This is about a great deal more than the SM and the CU. Yet exactly the same platform is being used today for staying in as in the 1975 referendum: trade and jobs.
Next to nothing about the fundamental political and constitutional issues. What was the latest bleat? Oh, yes, a noisy screech about pallets. FFS!
The problem we have in the UK is that our politicians are bared-faced liars. I'll ask again, why did Heath mislead the people of this country?
Why the need to decide that FCO30/148 must be kept secret for 30 years?
If you consistently lie to people and they discover that they have been misled why on earth do you think they should still trust you?
Far better to set out your stall and deal with honesty and integrity. If you still can't sell what you are offering then accept the verdict of the potential buyers.
It's a simple choice. Should the UK be part of a United States of Europe ( be in no doubt that is the ultimate goal) or not.
With everything that entails. Choosing to ignore those outcomes is the epitome of self-deception.
If that is what the majority want, I don't have a problem in accepting it, but do so with your eyes (and ears) open and commit fully to the process.
Rather than the increasingly half-arsed situation that has existed ever since we joined in 1973.
alfie2244 said:
jsf said:
Those facts are just small exit polls extrapolated, no one knows the truth because the referendum, just like all UK general elections are by secret ballot.
And yet they know your voter registration number from which, I believe they can also obtain your identifying information such as your date of birth and national insurance number etc, .........just in case a apparently?God, there'd be hell-up if someone's done this!
alfie2244 said:
And yet they know your voter registration number from which, I believe they can also obtain your identifying information such as your date of birth and national insurance number etc, .........just in case a apparently?
There is nothing on the ballot paper to identify you.Who attends to vote is logged via your electoral register info, which is how they stop you voting multiple times or voting illegally.
Digga said:
Tycho said:
gothatway said:
On a lighter note, what would you all like to see writ large on the side of a bus in a second referendum campaign ?
"It's not sciatica, he's pissed."
^That's him, struggling with his 'bad back'.
Or we'll have to send Theresa instead."
jsf said:
alfie2244 said:
And yet they know your voter registration number from which, I believe they can also obtain your identifying information such as your date of birth and national insurance number etc, .........just in case a apparently?
There is nothing on the ballot paper to identify you.Who attends to vote is logged via your electoral register info, which is how they stop you voting multiple times or voting illegally.
Robertj21a said:
jsf said:
alfie2244 said:
And yet they know your voter registration number from which, I believe they can also obtain your identifying information such as your date of birth and national insurance number etc, .........just in case a apparently?
There is nothing on the ballot paper to identify you.Who attends to vote is logged via your electoral register info, which is how they stop you voting multiple times or voting illegally.
Robertj21a said:
As pedantry matters on PH...........I guess that it's just the fact that a vote in your name has been logged (rather than who attends).
You are declaring who you are when you enter the polling station. Only legally carried out proxy votes do otherwise.If you try and cast a vote as someone else without the required proxy notice you are committing an offence.
jsf said:
Robertj21a said:
As pedantry matters on PH...........I guess that it's just the fact that a vote in your name has been logged (rather than who attends).
You are declaring who you are when you enter the polling station. Only legally carried out proxy votes do otherwise.If you try and cast a vote as someone else without the required proxy notice you are committing an offence.
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George Eustace resigns from the Govt
Interesting resignation letter
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George Eustace resigns from the Govt
Interesting resignation letter
SpeckledJim said:
alfie2244 said:
Perhaps I have Alzheimer as I am certain there was some number on my voting sheet and that number was recorded against my name 
That's what I thought, but I wasn't sure.alfie2244 said:
Perhaps I have Alzheimers as I am certain there was some number on my voting sheet and that number was recorded against my name
Surely, the number is just on your voting card that tells you where the vote is to take place etc. Your (anonymous) voting paper is only given to you once they've validated that you are entitled to vote.SpeckledJim said:
That's what I thought, but I wasn't sure.
IIRC, they simply cross off your name on the list. The ballot paper does have a number, but it isn't linked to you directly.
Obviously using the number they could identify the polling station, and how many people voted before you, and if any CCTV was in the area, work out who you were from that.
Ballot ticket numbers are there obviously to ensure each ballot is unique, legitimate, and identify the polling station/ ward.
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