Climategate Part 2

[Getragdogleg]

Right, this is what I am talking about when I say I don't know what to think about the whole CC thing :

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/17/science/earth/wa...

This reads as being big trouble, lots of gasses coming out that have been locked up for years, They are not man made though but the article implies it is our fault that they are going to be released.

It is msm, so I am open to the idea it may well be sensationalist bks but the story is there, the thing sounds plausible and a bit scary.

As a layman I cannot sort out the science of wether this is true, false or other.

[Lost_BMW]

Getragdogleg said:

Right, this is what I am talking about when I say I don't know what to think about the whole CC thing :

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/17/science/earth/wa...

This reads as being big trouble, lots of gasses coming out that have been locked up for years, They are not man made though but the article implies it is our fault that they are going to be released.

It is msm, so I am open to the idea it may well be sensationalist bks but the story is there, the thing sounds plausible and a bit scary.

As a layman I cannot sort out the science of wether this is true, false or other.

It's bullst.











That's what you have to worry about, full of methane and so many cows!

[Getragdogleg]

Lost_BMW said:

Getragdogleg said:

Right, this is what I am talking about when I say I don't know what to think about the whole CC thing :

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/17/science/earth/wa...

This reads as being big trouble, lots of gasses coming out that have been locked up for years, They are not man made though but the article implies it is our fault that they are going to be released.

It is msm, so I am open to the idea it may well be sensationalist bks but the story is there, the thing sounds plausible and a bit scary.

As a layman I cannot sort out the science of wether this is true, false or other.

It's bullst.


That's what you have to worry about, full of methane and somany cows!

Ok, but why ? Is it poor science again, is it poor data reading ? is it the fact that the people who went out and looked into it were rabidly pro AGW and would find doom in a teacup if they wanted to ?

To me and countless others who read that it looks like a story that might be true, people with less inclination to question would have read it and been scared, there are more non questioners than people like me.

[dickymint]

Getrag.

Good topic and worth debating - but would be better moved to the science thread? This thread should be about the leaked emails.

[Lost_BMW]

Getragdogleg said:

Lost_BMW said:

Getragdogleg said:

Right, this is what I am talking about when I say I don't know what to think about the whole CC thing :

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/17/science/earth/wa...

This reads as being big trouble, lots of gasses coming out that have been locked up for years, They are not man made though but the article implies it is our fault that they are going to be released.

It is msm, so I am open to the idea it may well be sensationalist bks but the story is there, the thing sounds plausible and a bit scary.

As a layman I cannot sort out the science of wether this is true, false or other.

It's bullst.


That's what you have to worry about, full of methane and somany cows!

Ok, but why ? Is it poor science again, is it poor data reading ? is it the fact that the people who went out and looked into it were rabidly pro AGW and would find doom in a teacup if they wanted to ?

To me and countless others who read that it looks like a story that might be true, people with less inclination to question would have read it and been scared, there are more non questioners than people like me.

Er, it was a joke - the post not the article... but then again?

[don4l]

kerplunk said:

don4l said:

I read the Pointman articles. I understand his reasoning, but I don't entirely agree with his "profile" of the leaker.


However, I do believe that it was a leak. My reasoning is that it would have been impossible to hack the system without leaving some evidence. Furthermore, the Warmists want us to believe that the information was "stolen", so they will have looked for the evidence. If the evidence existed it would have been made public by now.

Now, I trust that you will agree that I have given you an open and honest answer. Will you reciprocate?


Don
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hurrah for on-topic-ness!

I only partly disagree with you cos as I said to you before we simply don't know about the forensic investigation so you can't draw any solid conclusions from that. Your justification appears to be 'we would by now' but why would we? There's one of my questions that didn't get answered (but I'm not bitter about it )

What is known about the forensics is known by the police and probably UEA and it's notable how insistant the UEA are about explicitly calling it a hack and theft in their recent comments in the press. On the one hand you might say 'they would say that' but on the other it'll make them look quite bad if that turns out not to be the case (and had knowledge that it wasn't).

Do you really think that they haven't looked for evidence of hacking? Really?


You cannot think that nobody has examined the actual computer(s) that was(were) supposedly hacked when the police have raided an innocent third party, and taken his laptops away for examination.

Don
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[Mr GrimNasty]

Getragdogleg said:

Right, this is what I am talking about when I say I don't know what to think about the whole CC thing :

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/17/science/earth/wa...

This reads as being big trouble, lots of gasses coming out that have been locked up for years, They are not man made though but the article implies it is our fault that they are going to be released.

It is msm, so I am open to the idea it may well be sensationalist bks but the story is there, the thing sounds plausible and a bit scary.

As a layman I cannot sort out the science of wether this is true, false or other.

Glanced at it, heard it all before, very simple, the problem is that warming caused by man is causing the melt/release that would not otherwise occur, thus causing even more warming. Perfectly valid point/worry if the whole warming scare was 'right'.

[Getragdogleg]

dickymint said:

Getrag.

Good topic and worth debating - but would be better moved to the science thread? This thread should be about the leaked emails.

Yes, good point, Can a mod move it or shall I cross post it for everyones delectation there ?

[turbobloke]

dickymint said:

Getrag.

Good topic and worth debating - but would be better moved to the science thread? This thread should be about the leaked emails.

See science thread

Apart from that, atmopheric gas composition isn't a temperature increase. One is measured in % or ppmv (and that methane release would be barely noticeable if at all) the other in deg C.

[don4l]

Guam said:

Breaking news on Tallblokes website, hot potatoe suddenly pased on from Swampy Plod lol.

http://tallbloke.wordpress.com/2011/12/21/breaking...

ETA two years and they clearly never found that "Hacker" one way of throwing in the twoel I guess "resource issues will be the claimed reason No doubt" lol

Edited by Guam on Wednesday 21st December 13:01

Pointman seems to think that orders came from above.

It will be interesting to watch this unfold, especially as Monckton seems to be stepping up the pressure.

Don
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[kerplunk]

don4l said:

Do you really think that they haven't looked for evidence of hacking? Really?


You cannot think that nobody has examined the actual computer(s) that was(were) supposedly hacked when the police have raided an innocent third party, and taken his laptops away for examination.

Don
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Huh? How did you get that from what I wrote? I'm saying we - the general public - don't know the results of the police forensic examination of the log files yet cos they haven't said.

[dickymint]

Guam said:

Breaking news on Tallblokes website, hot potatoe suddenly pased on from Swampy Plod lol.

http://tallbloke.wordpress.com/2011/12/21/breaking...

ETA two years and they clearly never found that "Hacker" one way of throwing in the twoel I guess "resource issues will be the claimed reason No doubt" lol

Edited by Guam on Wednesday 21st December 13:01

Looks like His interview with the BBC is on as well.

[kerplunk]

Guam said:

I reckon this could well turn into a 1 all bet KP

yes and that's why I offered you the second bet - to give you at least a chance of a draw.

[don4l]

kerplunk said:

Huh? How did you get that from what I wrote? I'm saying we - the general public - don't know the results of the police forensic examination of the log files yet cos they haven't said.

The University would have conducted their own investigation, don't you think?


Don
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[Jasandjules]

Guam said:

"I responded to them because I had nothing to hide and suggested actually that what they were doing wouldn't help them at all in their investigation, to which the officer replied 'we have to be seen to be doing something'.

If this is true then Tallbloke can use this as evidence to take action against the police.

[Apache]

Guam said:

Ok I reckon we are getting close to contacting MP's time. This becoming plain silly now.

you think? if my MP bothered to respond (Andrew Landsley) I'd have been bombarding him by now, as it is I've emailed every MEP I can and all the editors I can

[The Excession]

Guam said:

BBC Interview with Tallbloke and Adrian Kerton here http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b018j2x1/Look...

Comes in at 10:50

Sure sucks to be me. Can't get iPlayer here, can get live broadcasts over satellite, but no iPlayer stuff.

Anyone care to youtube it for the rest of the planet to watch?

[The Excession]

Guam said:

MEanwhile Steve Macintyre on the Bolt report regarding Climategate 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRS9-meueA0

He comes across as being very careful in choosing his words... which doesn't surprise me!

[turbobloke]

The Excession said:

Guam said:

MEanwhile Steve Macintyre on the Bolt report regarding Climategate 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRS9-meueA0

He comes across as being very careful in choosing his words... which doesn't surprise me!

They showed the Tom Wigley message, that sure had words to say!

[Apache]

And yet again, for all those devoted BBC fans who cannot see what is apparent to all,

"trying to discredit MMGW"

Very balanced comment I suppose

Edited by Apache on Friday 23 December 09:18