School protests - sex education

[PorkRind]

gregs656 said:

Sa Calobra said:

Do you have small children who are under ten years old yourself?

Do you think it makes my position on this less legitimate as I don’t?

If I said that I think the primary school curriculum should include, and not be limited to, teaching reading and writing, science, history, maths, English, basics like telling them time and so on I assume that opinion is not diminished by not having children?

Or did you need to have an infant before you thought ‘learning to read is important’?

Kids of such an age are a lot more impressionable. Telling them that they could be a boy in a girls body etc is only going to Confuse things for their inquisitive minds. I just don't see it doing society any good as kids aren't educated enough to start making decisions about what they think and feel they are at such a stage. On the same line, I think it's wrong for f parents to push their faith down the kids neck either. They should be educated at secondary school about such things and allowed to choose when theyre a bit more informed and suitable educated. I also don't think the NHS should start entertaining the sex changes of all the kids that are playing sex change games. Should be a legal limit and self funded, a bit like breast enhancement etc.

[gregs656]

PorkRind said:

Kids of such an age are a lot more impressionable. Telling them that they could be a boy in a girls body etc is only going to Confuse things for their inquisitive minds.

Have you read any of the resources of the nNo Outisders program? Because it doesn’t include what you describe.

[PorkRind]

s1962a said:

Rivenink said:

s1962a said:

jimPH said:

Not sure what the actual syllabus is being taught around sex education, but is an interesting clash of culture.

LGBT Vs Asian community as far as I can make out. Liberals must be pulling their hair out on this one.

Yeah it seems to be the religious types shouting about this.

I have a question, if your kid was being taught about religion at school and part of it were school trips to visit places of worship, obviously you'd have no issue with it, but what would your opinion be of those parents that didn't want their kids to visit a mosque?

Are you suggesting that schools are taking kids on day trips to LGBT places?

In my daughters school, they had a 'performance group' - whatever that is - do a whole show about LGBT, and the parents found out about it way after it happened. I've no idea what it comprised of - but I think it was probably introducing kids to the concept of LGBT relationships but doing role plays etc. I didn't have an issue with it, but there were some objections afterwards as some of the parents wanted to give consent. The head told all the parents that consent wasn't needed as this came under government approved teachings and they were allowed to do it.

That's taking liberties isn't it really.

[PorkRind]

gregs656 said:

PorkRind said:

Kids of such an age are a lot more impressionable. Telling them that they could be a boy in a girls body etc is only going to Confuse things for their inquisitive minds.

Have you read any of the resources of the nNo Outisders program? Because it doesn’t include what you describe.

Fire me up a url and ill check it out. Thanks.

[Davos123]

PorkRind said:

That's taking liberties isn't it really.

Would a drama performance depicting straight people be taking liberties if it was done without consent? These are kids so I’m assuming there wasn’t sexual contact in the script...

[Randy Winkman]

gregs656 said:

PorkRind said:

Kids of such an age are a lot more impressionable. Telling them that they could be a boy in a girls body etc is only going to Confuse things for their inquisitive minds.

Have you read any of the resources of the nNo Outisders program? Because it doesn’t include what you describe.

I don't think that anyone objecting has.

[Sa Calobra]

gregs656 said:

Sa Calobra said:

Do you have small children who are under ten years old yourself?

Do you think it makes my position on this less legitimate as I don’t?

If I said that I think the primary school curriculum should include, and not be limited to, teaching reading and writing, science, history, maths, English, basics like telling them time and so on I assume that opinion is not diminished by not having children?

Or did you need to have an infant before you thought ‘learning to read is important’?

Are you a parent or not?

[Halb]

anonymous said:

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we called it something similar.

[Halb]

Rayan77 said:

As someone who vehemently disagrees with these lessons I also find it very worrying that any MP or government worker who agrees with those who oppose the lessons is threatened with being fired. This is the beginning of a very dangerous tend that jeopardizes free speech and so called “hate speech” laws could be used to further oppress people’s opinions. The MPs job is to represent his constituents in parliament and give them a voice and when they do their threatened with dismissal. Could be the beginning of a dictatorship and the end of freedom of speech and religion

what's the problem with them?

[Davos123]

Sa Calobra said:

Are you a parent or not?

Why would that have anything to do with whether you're a raving homophobe or not?

[PorkRind]

gregs656 said:

PorkRind said:

Does it really fit in with British values? Are you ho estly saying teaching kids about this stuff at anything but pre teen is a good idea, I for one don't and for once I'm siding with the muslim Community. I guess I'm just ultra Conservative.

Tolerance and respect for others, regardless of religious belief, race, sexuality, gender etc? I would say very much in line with British Values.

As far as I am aware primary school children are ‘pre teen’. The teens should probably be reminded too (as they are now), though with a more in-depth and explicit discussion.

What is the problem you have with teaching children that there will be children who are different to them, or maybe children who have 2 dads or 2 mums or perhaps a single parent and so on and those are just differences.

Or that maybe some children will pray and some don’t?

What is your concern?

I agree with all Of the above apart from the gender issue, in my eyes there are two gender identities and two sexes. You have xx. Or xy chromosomes defining your sex and occasionally you get someone who's sex doesn't match their gender, but not at junior school age. Any anomalies are down to dysmorphia and shpuld be treated as exception rather than the norm so wouldnt want thay being taught to my child given my beliefs. I don't see why
My child's mind being warped that body dysmorphia is anything more than an anomaly rather than the norm. You just have to see what's going on in Canada to see how bad ultra liberalism affects society. See Jordan peterson and the videos of him facing the staunch liberals, who come across as more like fascists..

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[PorkRind]

Randy Winkman said:

gregs656 said:

PorkRind said:

Kids of such an age are a lot more impressionable. Telling them that they could be a boy in a girls body etc is only going to Confuse things for their inquisitive minds.

Have you read any of the resources of the nNo Outisders program? Because it doesn’t include what you describe.

I don't think that anyone objecting has.

I'll be sure to check it out.

Checked it out. I'm not phobic of lgb, but i am. Concerned about T. Theres. No. Phobia about it whatsoever and I think I've every right to control what my child learns at school. Call me a tin foil hat type but who controls ofsted, what tests and due diligence have they done and proven that this education won't affect a child negatively, they probably haven't..as for it being government approved, how on esrth can you say that you approve of everything our government has ever done has been sensible and for the best of the people. There are countless foulups our governments have made over the years and just because they're in power doenst make it or them right. Or do you just blindly follow authority figures without thinking for yourself?!
It's probably some government board who have decided that this is OK and the new normal. Transgender as I've stated in other posts I believe to be an exceptional difference to the norm, its the sort of thing that should come up in gcse biology and psychology. Imo.

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[Davos123]

PorkRind said:

I agree with all Of the above apart from the gender issue, in my eyes there are two gender identities and two sexes. You have xx. Or xy chromosomes defining your sex and occasionally you get someone who's sex doesn't match their gender, but not at junior school age. Any anomalies are down to dysmorphia and shpuld be treated as exception rather than the norm so wouldnt want thay being taught to my child given my beliefs. I don't see why
My child's mind being warped that body dysmorphia is anything more than an anomaly rather than the norm. You just have to see what's going on in Canada to see how bad ultra liberalism affects society. See Jordan peterson and the videos of him facing the staunch liberals, who come across as more like fascists..

Funny you should mention Canada, I live there (as does Greg) and I'm not sure what you think is going on here but it's a fantastically tolerant country

[PorkRind]

Davos123 said:

PorkRind said:

I agree with all Of the above apart from the gender issue, in my eyes there are two gender identities and two sexes. You have xx. Or xy chromosomes defining your sex and occasionally you get someone who's sex doesn't match their gender, but not at junior school age. Any anomalies are down to dysmorphia and shpuld be treated as exception rather than the norm so wouldnt want thay being taught to my child given my beliefs. I don't see why
My child's mind being warped that body dysmorphia is anything more than an anomaly rather than the norm. You just have to see what's going on in Canada to see how bad ultra liberalism affects society. See Jordan peterson and the videos of him facing the staunch liberals, who come across as more like fascists..

Funny you should mention Canada, I live there (as does Greg) and I'm not sure what you think is going on here but it's a fantastically tolerant country

That explains a bit.
I do love Canada myself. I'd move to bc in an instant if I could. They're more interested in builders, sparky and plumbers than IT consultants, though. Look up Jordan peterson on youtube and the hassle he's come across through not wishing to use a Kids preferred pronoun etc.

Do you have a copy of Andrew moffats report. Seems a bit pricey at £25..!?

This kid who 'my princess boy' book is based on is clearly a bit mentally deficient, doesn't know what day of the week it is let alone notions of wth sex/ gender is or means. He'll get to 10 start playing football and question his former self at the thought he ever started wearing girls clothes.

https://youtu.be/Dfkb0kdo0sQ

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[Davos123]

PorkRind said:

Look up Jordan peterson on youtube and the hassle he's come across through not wishing to use a Kids preferred pronoun etc.
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Jordan Peterson has had literally no hassle for not using preferred pronouns (of adults, by the way, he teaches at a university, not an elementary school).

He willfully misinterpreted a minor change in hate crime law and used it as an excuse to stoke transphobia. Please give me one example of someone in Canada being criminally charged for accidentally misgendering someone. I'll wait.

[Countdown]

PorkRind said:

Does it really fit in with British values? Are you ho estly saying teaching kids about this stuff at anything but pre teen is a good idea, I for one don't and for once I'm siding with the muslim Community. I guess I'm just ultra Conservative.

You’re siding with the more fundamentalist elements of the Muslim community (which in itself should flag up certain warning signals). WRT “british values” that might have been true 50-100 years ago, certainly not what british values are today IMO.

[Don Roque]

Davos123 said:

He willfully misinterpreted a minor change in hate crime law and used it as an excuse to stoke transphobia.

No he didn't, that's nonsense.

[PorkRind]

Don Roque said:

Davos123 said:

He willfully misinterpreted a minor change in hate crime law and used it as an excuse to stoke transphobia.

No he didn't, that's nonsense.

No you're right, he didn't. He merely didn't buy into their plethora or ridiculous pronouns. Which is fair enoigh, who's going to rememeber all 20 plus pronouns and use them correctly? It's just not practical or even a real thing. Ha

[PorkRind]

Countdown said:

PorkRind said:

Does it really fit in with British values? Are you ho estly saying teaching kids about this stuff at anything but pre teen is a good idea, I for one don't and for once I'm siding with the muslim Community. I guess I'm just ultra Conservative.

You’re siding with the more fundamentalist elements of the Muslim community (which in itself should flag up certain warning signals). WRT “british values” that might have been true 50-100 years ago, certainly not what british values are today IMO.

Not really, I'm just not swallowing the whole 29 genders and transnormality. I'm taking it for what it is, an anomaly.

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[Davos123]

PorkRind said:

No you're right, he didn't. He merely didn't buy into their plethora or ridiculous pronouns. Which is fair enoigh, who's going to rememeber all 20 plus pronouns and use them correctly? It's just not practical or even a real thing. Ha

That's not what happened. He said he'd deliberately misgender people because transgenderism was made a protected class in Canadian human rights law