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Notsureaboutthat said:
......but asserting views that this is essentially an Islamic or Pakistani-immigrant problem is also a problem and feeding into a prejudicial or stereotypical narrative doesn’t assist anyone.
In these, many, instances the stereotypes are true. There is no problem with that and it is not prejudicial in the slightest. It is a fact.colin_p said:
In these, many, instances the stereotypes are true. There is no problem with that and it is not prejudicial in the slightest. It is a fact.
Asserting that certain gangs are of a particular background is a fact. Asserting that all those from that background have a predilection or are more likely to commit such crimes because of their religious and cultural background is not a fact. It is basely prejudicial (because it advances such suggestions again an entire group unreasonably) which in turn causes prejudice and there very much is a problem with that. Notsureaboutthat said:
Asserting that certain gangs are of a particular background is a fact. Asserting that all those from that background have a predilection or are more likely to commit such crimes because of their religious and cultural background is not a fact. It is basely prejudicial (because it advances such suggestions again an entire group unreasonably) which in turn causes prejudice and there very much is a problem with that.
So saying grooming gangs in the U.K. are predominantly of Muslim background is a fact and ok.But saying they do this because of their religion / culture is prejudiced ?
Can there be any other reason why they do this ?
mrporsche said:
So saying grooming gangs in the U.K. are predominantly of Muslim background is a fact and ok.
But saying they do this because of their religion / culture is prejudiced ?
Can there be any other reason why they do this ?
Yes. There could be very many reasons why they do this. There is no one driver of human behaviour in the way you suggest to suit your own view. But saying they do this because of their religion / culture is prejudiced ?
Can there be any other reason why they do this ?
Saying knife crime in London is predominantly perpetrated by those from a black background may be a fact but it doesn’t means they do it BECAUSE they are black.
To frame it in your terms is to assert those from an Islamic/Pakistani background are driven by that background to commit such crimes such that everyone who fits that description should be viewed with more suspicion is self evidently prejudicial.
I don’t limit that view to this group. Likewise I don’t believe the church sex abuse scandals are driven by something within Christianity that motivates some clergy to act in that manner.
mrporsche said:
So saying grooming gangs in the U.K. are predominantly of Muslim background is a fact and ok.
But saying they do this because of their religion / culture is prejudiced ?
Can there be any other reason why they do this ?
Yes. There could be very many reasons why they do this. There is no one driver of human behaviour in the way you suggest to suit your own view. But saying they do this because of their religion / culture is prejudiced ?
Can there be any other reason why they do this ?
Saying knife crime in London is predominantly perpetrated by those from a black background may be a fact but it doesn’t means they do it BECAUSE they are black.
To frame it in your terms is to assert those from an Islamic/Pakistani background are driven by that background to commit such crimes such that everyone who fits that description should be viewed with more suspicion is self evidently prejudicial.
I don’t limit that view to this group. Likewise I don’t believe the church sex abuse scandals are driven by something within Christianity that motivates some clergy to act in that manner.
Notsureaboutthat said:
Yes. There could be very many reasons why they do this. There is no one driver of human behaviour in the way you suggest to suit your own view.
Saying knife crime in London is predominantly perpetrated by those from a black background may be a fact but it doesn’t means they do it BECAUSE they are black.
To frame it in your terms is to assert those from an Islamic/Pakistani background are driven by that background to commit such crimes such that everyone who fits that description should be viewed with more suspicion is self evidently prejudicial.
I don’t limit that view to this group. Likewise I don’t believe the church sex abuse scandals are driven by something within Christianity that motivates some clergy to act in that manner.
There could be many reasons, one being that their Islamic faith paints a fairly negative view of non Muslim girls who don’t cover up and act it a provocative manner ?Saying knife crime in London is predominantly perpetrated by those from a black background may be a fact but it doesn’t means they do it BECAUSE they are black.
To frame it in your terms is to assert those from an Islamic/Pakistani background are driven by that background to commit such crimes such that everyone who fits that description should be viewed with more suspicion is self evidently prejudicial.
I don’t limit that view to this group. Likewise I don’t believe the church sex abuse scandals are driven by something within Christianity that motivates some clergy to act in that manner.
For a specific minority group to be so highly over represented in the crime must have something to do with their minority. Does that mean they are all looking to commit these acts?
No I don’t think it does, as was agreed on the french teacher thread the religious scriptures are open to interpretation and Muslims choose the parts that work for their life. Some parts are out of date, but they are part of the faith.
Catholic priests and their issues are understood and we can accept the reasons for this. The behaviour is influenced by the catholic upbringing / training.
colin_p said:
Schermerhorn said:
No, instead it's turned into a "I'm not a racist but......" commentary.
Views, statements and opinions like that are EXACTLY what allowed them to abuse vulnerable children up and down the country on an almost industrial scale and almost in plain sight.You should be ashamed of yourself.
I’m sure this report will be passionately debated.
“ The majority of child sexual abuse gangs are made up of white men under the age of 30, an official paper has said.
The report, which covers England, Scotland and Wales and summarises a range of studies on the issue of group-based child sexual exploitation (CSE), also known as grooming gangs, said there was not enough evidence to conclude that child sexual abuse gangs were disproportionately made up of Asian offenders.
High-profile cases including in Rotherham, Rochdale and Telford have involved groups of men of mainly Pakistani ethnicity, fuelling a perception that it is an “Asian problem”.
As a result “Asian grooming gangs” have become a cause celebre for the far right, with a number of high-profile figures mounting campaigns across the country”
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/15/c...
“ The majority of child sexual abuse gangs are made up of white men under the age of 30, an official paper has said.
The report, which covers England, Scotland and Wales and summarises a range of studies on the issue of group-based child sexual exploitation (CSE), also known as grooming gangs, said there was not enough evidence to conclude that child sexual abuse gangs were disproportionately made up of Asian offenders.
High-profile cases including in Rotherham, Rochdale and Telford have involved groups of men of mainly Pakistani ethnicity, fuelling a perception that it is an “Asian problem”.
As a result “Asian grooming gangs” have become a cause celebre for the far right, with a number of high-profile figures mounting campaigns across the country”
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/15/c...
BlackLabel said:
I’m sure this report will be passionately debated.
“ The majority of child sexual abuse gangs are made up of white men under the age of 30, an official paper has said”
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/15/c...
I would LOVE to hear the opinions of the ‘I’m not racist but...’ gang on this. It’s an official home office report too, not some lefty pressure group. “ The majority of child sexual abuse gangs are made up of white men under the age of 30, an official paper has said”
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/15/c...
Are you willing to let facts get in the way of a convenient racist assertion???
That article;
It is the guardian, and they would say that, I'd expect nothing less.
Nobody is denying that there are white nonces.
White nonces are, quite rightly, rigorously pursued and prosecuted whenever and wherever they are found.
But this thread is about the massive scale of Pakistani muslim grooming gangs abusing our children and the state and their apparatus turning a blind eye to it because they were either scared of being called racist or were happy to sacrifice our children on the altar of multiculturalism and diversity.
Apologists are going to apologise
Appeasers will appease
The apologists and appeasers (including the guardian idiot who wrote that article) should look up the Dunning-Kruger effect as they are quite obviously too stupid to realise their folly by themselves.
It is the guardian, and they would say that, I'd expect nothing less.
Nobody is denying that there are white nonces.
White nonces are, quite rightly, rigorously pursued and prosecuted whenever and wherever they are found.
But this thread is about the massive scale of Pakistani muslim grooming gangs abusing our children and the state and their apparatus turning a blind eye to it because they were either scared of being called racist or were happy to sacrifice our children on the altar of multiculturalism and diversity.
Apologists are going to apologise
Appeasers will appease
The apologists and appeasers (including the guardian idiot who wrote that article) should look up the Dunning-Kruger effect as they are quite obviously too stupid to realise their folly by themselves.
BlackLabel said:
I’m sure this report will be passionately debated.
“ The majority of child sexual abuse gangs are made up of white men under the age of 30, an official paper has said.
The report, which covers England, Scotland and Wales and summarises a range of studies on the issue of group-based child sexual exploitation (CSE), also known as grooming gangs, said there was not enough evidence to conclude that child sexual abuse gangs were disproportionately made up of Asian offenders.
High-profile cases including in Rotherham, Rochdale and Telford have involved groups of men of mainly Pakistani ethnicity, fuelling a perception that it is an “Asian problem”.
As a result “Asian grooming gangs” have become a cause celebre for the far right, with a number of high-profile figures mounting campaigns across the country”
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/15/c...
‘there was not enough evidence to conclude that child sexual abuse gangs were disproportionately made up of Asian offenders.’“ The majority of child sexual abuse gangs are made up of white men under the age of 30, an official paper has said.
The report, which covers England, Scotland and Wales and summarises a range of studies on the issue of group-based child sexual exploitation (CSE), also known as grooming gangs, said there was not enough evidence to conclude that child sexual abuse gangs were disproportionately made up of Asian offenders.
High-profile cases including in Rotherham, Rochdale and Telford have involved groups of men of mainly Pakistani ethnicity, fuelling a perception that it is an “Asian problem”.
As a result “Asian grooming gangs” have become a cause celebre for the far right, with a number of high-profile figures mounting campaigns across the country”
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/15/c...
It doesn’t say it didn’t happen then. Is that because most of the offences were actively ignored by the police? Ie not even recorded? Use of that word Asian again. It’s British Pakistani organised. According to the last census there was 1.17 million Pakistanis in the U.K., obviously more now, but still a minority in a country pushing 70 million.
colin_p said:
That article;
It is the guardian, and they would say that, I'd expect nothing less.
Nobody is denying that there are white nonces.
White nonces are, quite rightly, rigorously pursued and prosecuted whenever and wherever they are found.
But this thread is about the massive scale of Pakistani muslim grooming gangs abusing our children and the state and their apparatus turning a blind eye to it because they were either scared of being called racist or were happy to sacrifice our children on the altar of multiculturalism and diversity.
Apologists are going to apologise
Appeasers will appease
The apologists and appeasers (including the guardian idiot who wrote that article) should look up the Dunning-Kruger effect as they are quite obviously too stupid to realise their folly by themselves.
You’d expect nothing less of them to... summarise a report by the Home Office? As has the Independent? It is the guardian, and they would say that, I'd expect nothing less.
Nobody is denying that there are white nonces.
White nonces are, quite rightly, rigorously pursued and prosecuted whenever and wherever they are found.
But this thread is about the massive scale of Pakistani muslim grooming gangs abusing our children and the state and their apparatus turning a blind eye to it because they were either scared of being called racist or were happy to sacrifice our children on the altar of multiculturalism and diversity.
Apologists are going to apologise
Appeasers will appease
The apologists and appeasers (including the guardian idiot who wrote that article) should look up the Dunning-Kruger effect as they are quite obviously too stupid to realise their folly by themselves.
This thread is not about Pakistani grooming gangs specifically, it is about grooming gangs in general, go back and read the OP’s first 2 posts if you don’t believe me.
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