45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. Vol 3
Discussion
coyft said:
Are his posts spoiling the acoustics of the echo chamber?
I guess they are - it should just be the faint sound of fap-fap-fap-fap with an occasional screech of TRUMP!One or two people have seriously lost the plot with their obsession with the man, and how they see anyone who doesn't join in as an enemy.
I'm happy knowing the guy is the same
he always was, and ignore him & his outbursts in the same way I have for years. AreOut said:
vonuber said:
Just out of interest, why are you so desperate to defend Trump?
stating truth is desperation now?So why?
RobDickinson said:
Lock him up! 
Kushner talked to Mueller 2 days ago.
Either he's turned or denying asking Flynn to contact Russians. Either way he's fked, has a family to protect etc.. Will the Don pardon him?
Will he drag out the tax bill? Once that's passed GOP will throw him to the wolves?
Mueller already knew that Kushner was the one who tasked Flynn to contact the russians. He was letting him dig himself a hole, Either he did boss the russian sanctions talks, or he lied to the FBI and lying to the FBI is max 5 years and seems to be the least Mueller is allowing them to plea bargain on. Kushner talked to Mueller 2 days ago.
Either he's turned or denying asking Flynn to contact Russians. Either way he's f
ked, has a family to protect etc.. Will the Don pardon him? Will he drag out the tax bill? Once that's passed GOP will throw him to the wolves?
Either way Kusher fell into Muellers trap, not knowing that Flynn had already provided the evidence.
Congressman Ted Lieu posted this on Twitter: “My prediction? The next time agents & prosecutors for Special Counsel Mueller interview #Kushner, they will read him his Miranda rights.”
Congressman Jared Huffman: “Let me be the first to congratulate President Pence.”
Edited by Byker28i on Saturday 2nd December 07:14
AreOut said:
p1stonhead said:
From what I’ve been reading over the last hour, they could all be totally fked. Rumours are he’s going to testify that Trump himself told him to contact Russia.
it all happened after elections and they also contacted ambassadors of other 15(or so) nationsked. Rumours are he’s going to testify that Trump himself told him to contact Russia. there is also nothing illegal in Kushner initiative to delay UN voting
however it's quite possible that investigators know something more since they are trying this hard
You seem to be forgetting the numerous denials from team donald that any of this ever took place, now we find out slowly that so many meetings, discussions and other nefarious activities actually took place. The discussions with Flynn and Kisylak were about the sanctions, we know that. It's also been reported that these were taped and they are in the possession of the FBI.
This is what this has all been about, the sanctions and how they are personally hurting Putin and the other russian wealthy.
minimoog said:
Byker28i said:
Can I now predict that fox news runs the story as 'Trump fired Flynn for lying, now he's lied to the FBI also'
I predict Fox News tonight will lead with a special exposé on Hillary's emails.https://www.mediamatters.org/video/2017/12/01/form...
The white house have of course said it was Obamas fault.
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/362856-...
Oh Muellers clever. Lat Manafort out on bail on the day flynn goes to court, then reevaluates it after flynns been in court, so either it was a ploy, or manaforts done something silly.
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/national-govt--p...
Flynns plea deal is only on the charge of lying to the FBI, he's still holding the other charges, including those over Flynn Jr. There's some strong incentive, no wonder team donald has gone very quiet.
And why is Cotton getting promoted in place of Tillerson? He was on the donalds transition national security team that flynn has said he reported to.
If I was cotton I'd stay clear of getting closer.
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/national-govt--p...
Flynns plea deal is only on the charge of lying to the FBI, he's still holding the other charges, including those over Flynn Jr. There's some strong incentive, no wonder team donald has gone very quiet.
And why is Cotton getting promoted in place of Tillerson? He was on the donalds transition national security team that flynn has said he reported to.
If I was cotton I'd stay clear of getting closer.
Edited by Byker28i on Saturday 2nd December 07:29
vonuber said:
Not answered the question- why are all your posts either in defence of or excusing his behaviour? If you were truly neutral, given the amount of stuff he's done, that would not be the case.
So why?
because everybody else here is against him and the thread needs some balance So why?
AreOut said:
vonuber said:
Not answered the question- why are all your posts either in defence of or excusing his behaviour? If you were truly neutral, given the amount of stuff he's done, that would not be the case.
So why?
because everybody else here is against him and the thread needs some balance So why?
He is a dark, dark man and represents a deeply sinister trend. His reign needs to be nipped in the bud before too much damage is done.
Colonial said:
Do you do the same with Corbyn and Chavez?
Nope not interested.Eric Mc said:
According to yourself you are neutral. If that is the case, then you can't provide "balance" to those who despise Trump and everything he represents - like me.
He is a dark, dark man and represents a deeply sinister trend. His reign needs to be nipped in the bud before too much damage is done.
orange is not exactly dark color He is a dark, dark man and represents a deeply sinister trend. His reign needs to be nipped in the bud before too much damage is done.
What do you find so sinister about his policies then?It's his personality that I find more worrying than his policies.
As I have said from Day 1 - there are aspects of Republican Party politics that, if I was a US citizen, I would be inclined to support. My detestation of Trump is chiefly due to him as a person. He's bad for America and he's bad for the world..
As I have said from Day 1 - there are aspects of Republican Party politics that, if I was a US citizen, I would be inclined to support. My detestation of Trump is chiefly due to him as a person. He's bad for America and he's bad for the world..
AreOut said:
vonuber said:
Not answered the question- why are all your posts either in defence of or excusing his behaviour? If you were truly neutral, given the amount of stuff he's done, that would not be the case.
So why?
because everybody else here is against him and the thread needs some balance So why?
How about upsetting the Native Americans, partly through his mouth running away but also in posing in front of a portrait of Jackson, the man who signed the Indian removal act.
He obviously thinks he's being clever, but for a self promoted brilliant deal maker, pissing off the other side doesn't work? In fact the only person he seems capable of trying to do a deal with is Putin, and it looks like he's failed on that.
AreOut said:
because everybody else here is against him and the thread needs some balance
Not everybody, but most because they can see the damage this person can do to the world and we're not talking war, we're talking everything, stability against the russians and chinese, stability in the worlds currencies that they've fked up heavily on 2008, the technology advances for good that come from the us.Do you call for balance on Britain First, Isis, white supremacists in Charlottesville 'there were some fine people'...? Where do you draw the line in 'the need for balance'?
Trump twice has shown he could be presidential, when sticking to reading a speech written for him. At every other time he's been seen to be petty and obsessed with himself and how he's rated. Melania wasn't born American yet shows complete respect to the position.
They've lied, continuously, of the way that Putin has played them, with promises of relaxing sanctions just so they could get into power. As soon as that happened Putin was on a win/win. Either he got the sanctions lifted and access to his personal wealth and that of the other oligarchs, or he blows the whole thing wide open and destabilises the US. He doesn't lose (apart from his money).
Forget the bank holiday for the royal wedding. Give us a bank holiday for when this moron has a visit to these shores, with free public transport for the day and half a dozen eggs thrown in.
Edited by Byker28i on Saturday 2nd December 10:49
Now that the end game has started, I fully expect further releases of information from the russians about the meetings. Sanctions won't now be lifted, Putins going to be pissed about his money, so he'll release everything and force a huge upset in the US political system instead.
Meanwhile the house has scraped through the tax reforms, convincing themselves that massive tax cuts to companies will stimulate growth and make up for the additional $1trillion deficit addition. Hope people can read what it says in the margins
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/362884...
Meanwhile the house has scraped through the tax reforms, convincing themselves that massive tax cuts to companies will stimulate growth and make up for the additional $1trillion deficit addition. Hope people can read what it says in the margins
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/362884...
Edited by Byker28i on Saturday 2nd December 10:56
Greg66 said:
Good piece about what a Trump is here: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/dec/01/tr...
Now now, areout says we have to be fair and balanced and that article is written by someone with a hatred for the donald. It's not like he still lies.... Trump is here: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/dec/01/tr...Oh - President Trump has made 1,628 false or misleading claims over 298 days
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/w...
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