Balanced Question Time panel tonight - of course not! Vol 3

[uk66fastback]

Me and the missus got in the audience when it was held in Peterborough a few years back - pre Fiona Bruce - DD was still doing it.

Entertaining hour - it was a bit of a leftie crowd though …

[bitchstewie]

Can't say Mercer did himself any favours on last nights showing and he's one who I'd considered half sensible in the past.

Guess Vorderman has got to him

[crankedup5]

cgt2 said:

Mercer epitomises the smugness and completely out of touch demeanour of today's Tory Party.

And I thought that the Labour M.P. was doing a ‘stand up’ comedy. For example ‘ we want our kids to have the best possible start in life’. no st, really. Lamentable dross was over flowing.

[biggbn]

crankedup5 said:

cgt2 said:

Mercer epitomises the smugness and completely out of touch demeanour of today's Tory Party.

And I thought that the Labour M.P. was doing a ‘stand up’ comedy. For example ‘ we want our kids to have the best possible start in life’. no st, really. Lamentable dross was over flowing.

As I said earlier, it can be no coincidence that the worst two performers on the panel were actual politicians from the two main parties. Representative if nothing else!!

[anonymoususer]

cgt2 said:

Mercer epitomises the smugness and completely out of touch demeanour of today's Tory Party.

One to watch for sure.
I think he could make Home / Foreign secretary. Potential dream team of Grant Shapps PM, John Mercer as Chancellor.

[cgt2]

crankedup5 said:

And I thought that the Labour M.P. was doing a ‘stand up’ comedy. For example ‘ we want our kids to have the best possible start in life’. no st, really. Lamentable dross was over flowing.

She came across as a tad bit defensive but nowhere near as sanctimonious as Mercer

[hidetheelephants]

anonymoususer said:

cgt2 said:

Mercer epitomises the smugness and completely out of touch demeanour of today's Tory Party.

One to watch for sure.
I think he could make Home / Foreign secretary. Potential dream team of Grant Shapps PM, John Mercer as Chancellor.

Michael Green for PM? There's a certain honesty about picking an actual scam artist to front the party after the last few incumbents.

[crankedup5]

biggbn said:

crankedup5 said:

cgt2 said:

Mercer epitomises the smugness and completely out of touch demeanour of today's Tory Party.

And I thought that the Labour M.P. was doing a ‘stand up’ comedy. For example ‘ we want our kids to have the best possible start in life’. no st, really. Lamentable dross was over flowing.

As I said earlier, it can be no coincidence that the worst two performers on the panel were actual politicians from the two main parties. Representative if nothing else!!

The simple fact is that the non political panelist’s have no Party line to tow. Very nice for them to be able to speak their own mind.

[crankedup5]

cgt2 said:

crankedup5 said:

And I thought that the Labour M.P. was doing a ‘stand up’ comedy. For example ‘ we want our kids to have the best possible start in life’. no st, really. Lamentable dross was over flowing.

She came across as a tad bit defensive but nowhere near as sanctimonious as Mercer

Mercer was under attack from all sides, as expected, I thought he presented very well. Labour had a relatively easy ride and still couldnt convince that she will make a great Education Sec’. Opinions will differ of course and almost certainly we will discover just how Labour will bring our ountry back from the brink.

[cgt2]

anonymoususer said:

One to watch for sure.
I think he could make Home / Foreign secretary. Potential dream team of Grant Shapps PM, John Mercer as Chancellor.

Shapps has an excellent record of failing upwards ever since his alter ego was exposed so yeah why not PM..

[biggbn]

crankedup5 said:

cgt2 said:

crankedup5 said:

And I thought that the Labour M.P. was doing a ‘stand up’ comedy. For example ‘ we want our kids to have the best possible start in life’. no st, really. Lamentable dross was over flowing.

She came across as a tad bit defensive but nowhere near as sanctimonious as Mercer

Mercer was under attack from all sides, as expected, I thought he presented very well. Labour had a relatively easy ride and still couldnt convince that she will make a great Education Sec’. Opinions will differ of course and almost certainly we will discover just how Labour will bring our ountry back from the brink.

You genuinely thought he did well? I find that incredible! Neither he nor the Labour lady made any compelling points instead 'reading' from a very binary playback very badly in my opinion. I find it very intersting the way different people oercieve things, but then we had people defending Boris week in week out and even his own party saw the light eventually.

[bitchstewie]

crankedup5 said:

I thought he presented very well.

Cranked I know you feel compelled to do the tribal contrarian thing but seriously?

His performance was a skipfire.

[Lucas CAV]

bhstewie said:

crankedup5 said:

I thought he presented very well.

Cranked I know you feel compelled to do the tribal contrarian thing but seriously?

His performance was a skipfire.

Yep he was terrible. Really arrogant and had Helen Whatley levels of uselessness

[Garvin]

biggbn said:

crankedup5 said:

cgt2 said:

crankedup5 said:

And I thought that the Labour M.P. was doing a ‘stand up’ comedy. For example ‘ we want our kids to have the best possible start in life’. no st, really. Lamentable dross was over flowing.

She came across as a tad bit defensive but nowhere near as sanctimonious as Mercer

Mercer was under attack from all sides, as expected, I thought he presented very well. Labour had a relatively easy ride and still couldnt convince that she will make a great Education Sec’. Opinions will differ of course and almost certainly we will discover just how Labour will bring our ountry back from the brink.

You genuinely thought he did well? I find that incredible! Neither he nor the Labour lady made any compelling points instead 'reading' from a very binary playback very badly in my opinion. I find it very intersting the way different people oercieve things, but then we had people defending Boris week in week out and even his own party saw the light eventually.

Kate Anrews appeared to be only voice of reason for the whole episode. Brought the elephant in the NHS room to the fore by pointing out that, compared to peer nations, the NHS was actually well funded but its performance was crap! She rounded off by eventually telling Phillipson that Labour should stop promising the earth without any clue of where the funding was coming from!

Mercer presented some selective statistics on government performance in education, which nobody challenged, but was pretty bland in terms of pointing out the difficulty in balancing the aspirations of all against the available funding (no st Sherlock) and also telling Phillipson that Labour appeared to have spent the (by then non existent) windfall and non-dom taxes they propose repeatedly on different issues.

Phillipson was just the normal Labour drone telling (lying to) everyone that her policies were fully funded - see Anrews and Mercer comments above. Just tried playing the hard of thinking with platitudes and no substance.

Vince was just the usual rabid green thinking wally - the worst performer by far. Everything is underfunded so just just tax everything harder and stick NI on CGT and then cut oil and gas production and invest heavily in green energy which will solve the GDP problem with twice as many jobs in oil and gas being produced. Then, in answer to where these jobs would be filled from, had the temerity to state that they would be filled by transferring skills from the lost oil & gas jobs - I think I see a bit of a flaw in that wonderfully thought through strategy - just a complete tt.

[irc]

Garvin said:

Vince was just the usual rabid green thinking wally - the worst performer by far. Everything is underfunded so just just tax everything harder and stick NI on CGT and then cut oil and gas production and invest heavily in green energy which will solve the GDP problem with twice as many jobs in oil and gas being produced. Then, in answer to where these jobs would be filled from, had the temerity to state that they would be filled by transferring skills from the lost oil & gas jobs - I think I see a bit of a flaw in that wonderfully thought through strategy - just a complete tt.

Misses the big flaw that green jobs are not necessarily a good thing. We could create thousands of jobs by abolishing tractors and digging firlds by hand. It wouldn't make us any wealthier. Likewise 20'000 extra green jobs to produce the same electricity produced by now by fewer workers is a cost not a benefit.

[snuffy]

uk66fastback said:

Me and the missus got in the audience when it was held in Peterborough a few years back - pre Fiona Bruce - DD was still doing it.

Entertaining hour - it was a bit of a leftie crowd though …

My missus was in the audience a few years ago in Chester (about 4 I think). They asked her to be on the warm-up panel, but she didn't fancy that. Instead she asked her question to the warm-up panel.

And that was a thing most people will not know that they do - I never knew it until she went.

[biggbn]

Garvin said:

biggbn said:

crankedup5 said:

cgt2 said:

crankedup5 said:

And I thought that the Labour M.P. was doing a ‘stand up’ comedy. For example ‘ we want our kids to have the best possible start in life’. no st, really. Lamentable dross was over flowing.

She came across as a tad bit defensive but nowhere near as sanctimonious as Mercer

Mercer was under attack from all sides, as expected, I thought he presented very well. Labour had a relatively easy ride and still couldnt convince that she will make a great Education Sec’. Opinions will differ of course and almost certainly we will discover just how Labour will bring our ountry back from the brink.

You genuinely thought he did well? I find that incredible! Neither he nor the Labour lady made any compelling points instead 'reading' from a very binary playback very badly in my opinion. I find it very intersting the way different people oercieve things, but then we had people defending Boris week in week out and even his own party saw the light eventually.

Kate Anrews appeared to be only voice of reason for the whole episode. Brought the elephant in the NHS room to the fore by pointing out that, compared to peer nations, the NHS was actually well funded but its performance was crap! She rounded off by eventually telling Phillipson that Labour should stop promising the earth without any clue of where the funding was coming from!

Mercer presented some selective statistics on government performance in education, which nobody challenged, but was pretty bland in terms of pointing out the difficulty in balancing the aspirations of all against the available funding (no st Sherlock) and also telling Phillipson that Labour appeared to have spent the (by then non existent) windfall and non-dom taxes they propose repeatedly on different issues.

Phillipson was just the normal Labour drone telling (lying to) everyone that her policies were fully funded - see Anrews and Mercer comments above. Just tried playing the hard of thinking with platitudes and no substance.

Vince was just the usual rabid green thinking wally - the worst performer by far. Everything is underfunded so just just tax everything harder and stick NI on CGT and then cut oil and gas production and invest heavily in green energy which will solve the GDP problem with twice as many jobs in oil and gas being produced. Then, in answer to where these jobs would be filled from, had the temerity to state that they would be filled by transferring skills from the lost oil & gas jobs - I think I see a bit of a flaw in that wonderfully thought through strategy - just a complete tt.

I liked Vince. Seemed the only one really aware that the future will be hugely different by necessity

[Hants PHer]

Garvin said:

<edited for brevity>
Vince was just the usual rabid green thinking wally - the worst performer by far. Everything is underfunded so just just tax everything harder and stick NI on CGT and then cut oil and gas production and invest heavily in green energy which will solve the GDP problem with twice as many jobs in oil and gas being produced. Then, in answer to where these jobs would be filled from, had the temerity to state that they would be filled by transferring skills from the lost oil & gas jobs - I think I see a bit of a flaw in that wonderfully thought through strategy - just a complete tt.

I'm glad it's not just me that thinks that Dale Vince is a weapons grade fool. He is so blinded by his green agenda that he blurts out these nonsense strategies without a hint of pragmatism. The other day he was on the radio insisting that North Sea gas could be replaced with biogas, which would involve converting all our arable and dairy land to grass production; the grass would then be composted, in essence. "What about food production?" he was asked, and blithely replied that we could just import all our food needs. He also has no idea, he says, what Just Stop Oil do with the money he donates to them. He's a hippy eco warrior pretending to be a serious thinker; file under 'fool', I say.

[pquinn]

Hants PHer said:

Garvin said:

<edited for brevity>
Vince was just the usual rabid green thinking wally - the worst performer by far. Everything is underfunded so just just tax everything harder and stick NI on CGT and then cut oil and gas production and invest heavily in green energy which will solve the GDP problem with twice as many jobs in oil and gas being produced. Then, in answer to where these jobs would be filled from, had the temerity to state that they would be filled by transferring skills from the lost oil & gas jobs - I think I see a bit of a flaw in that wonderfully thought through strategy - just a complete tt.

I'm glad it's not just me that thinks that Dale Vince is a weapons grade fool. He is so blinded by his green agenda that he blurts out these nonsense strategies without a hint of pragmatism. The other day he was on the radio insisting that North Sea gas could be replaced with biogas, which would involve converting all our arable and dairy land to grass production; the grass would then be composted, in essence. "What about food production?" he was asked, and blithely replied that we could just import all our food needs. He also has no idea, he says, what Just Stop Oil do with the money he donates to them. He's a hippy eco warrior pretending to be a serious thinker; file under 'fool', I say.

A less generous person might say his interest in green strategies only goes as far as working out what cut he can get himself from it.

It's not like he's exactly given away all his green energy spoils so far is it?

[biggbn]

pquinn said:

Hants PHer said:

Garvin said:

<edited for brevity>
Vince was just the usual rabid green thinking wally - the worst performer by far. Everything is underfunded so just just tax everything harder and stick NI on CGT and then cut oil and gas production and invest heavily in green energy which will solve the GDP problem with twice as many jobs in oil and gas being produced. Then, in answer to where these jobs would be filled from, had the temerity to state that they would be filled by transferring skills from the lost oil & gas jobs - I think I see a bit of a flaw in that wonderfully thought through strategy - just a complete tt.

I'm glad it's not just me that thinks that Dale Vince is a weapons grade fool. He is so blinded by his green agenda that he blurts out these nonsense strategies without a hint of pragmatism. The other day he was on the radio insisting that North Sea gas could be replaced with biogas, which would involve converting all our arable and dairy land to grass production; the grass would then be composted, in essence. "What about food production?" he was asked, and blithely replied that we could just import all our food needs. He also has no idea, he says, what Just Stop Oil do with the money he donates to them. He's a hippy eco warrior pretending to be a serious thinker; file under 'fool', I say.

A less generous person might say his interest in green strategies only goes as far as working out what cut he can get himself from it.

It's not like he's exactly given away all his green energy spoils so far is it?

Why should he?