CV19 - Cure worse than the disease? (Vol 5)

[MDMetal]

Elysium said:

Graveworm said:

Elysium said:

You can go out for a meal with anyone so long as you are willing and able to convince the restaurant that you live together dishonest

It is the Govt who are dishonest. These rules, which destroy lives, livelihoods and freedoms are dishonest.

The honest, true, right and moral thing to do is resist them. To do what is best for us and our loved ones.

Johnson, Hancock, Whitty and Vallance have lied to us repeatedly. They have acted as if they are all powerful kings. As if democracy was nothing.

I do not believe the various Coronavirus Regulations have been lawfully created and I am happy, willing and proud to break them.

The government is an extension of the people, if we the people decide it's ok to just ignore Covid then that's exactly what they should do. This is Brexit all over again where the leaders have decided the children need to be told what's good for them and have forgotten we have chosen them as our representatives.

The issue that's cropped up a few times which should concern everyone regardless of your political views is there is no effective mass recall the population can use when the government takes a decision that goes against what the wishes of society are. We the people define what is and isn't legal, what Laws and direction we want to choose. It's as simple as that and when our leaders ignore it there will eventually be a correction and in many cases a swing to the opposite side.

[ORD]

MDMetal said:

The government is an extension of the people, if we the people decide it's ok to just ignore Covid then that's exactly what they should do. This is Brexit all over again where the leaders have decided the children need to be told what's good for them and have forgotten we have chosen them as our representatives.

The issue that's cropped up a few times which should concern everyone regardless of your political views is there is no effective mass recall the population can use when the government takes a decision that goes against what the wishes of society are. We the people define what is and isn't legal, what Laws and direction we want to choose. It's as simple as that and when our leaders ignore it there will eventually be a correction and in many cases a swing to the opposite side.

Better to ruin his life and screw over all his customers, making them fatter and iller, than generate a minuscule risk that someone would catch CV in his gym and then possibly, although very unlikely, end up ill.

[Ntv]

DE-FUND the NHS

A loud slow pots and pans clap fo the NHS

Politicised since 97 to the point of it being utterly toxic for the U.K.

The good people in it have been let down as have the British public

[PeteinSQ]

Ntv said:

DE-FUND the NHS

A loud slow pots and pans clap fo the NHS

Politicised since 97 to the point of it being utterly toxic for the U.K.

The good people in it have been let down as have the British public

A joke surely? How is any of this the fault of the NHS? They're not the ones driving the decision to lock down etc? Unless you think they're so influential that they're also driving decision making across Europe and the rest of the world?

[Ntv]

Howard- said:

Ntv said:

richardxjr said:

"No vertical drinking" is the worst bit though. Joyless. The best pubs were always busy, lots of staggering about meeting old friends, talking ste.

Gone.

Exactly. TBH the “it’s not that bad” brigade can say wtf they want. Fact is we are seeing record redundancies in that sector across the country and pubs are going to dissappear big time unless they get a big handout for a long time to come yet.

People voting with their feet.

In 10 years when you drive / cycle thru a quaint village and remember a great country pub that had been there 300 years and then see it’s an “executive” home ... well, you’ll be able to say it was all worth it so that Ethel made her 92nd birthday

By "voting with your feet" and not going to the pub because the music isn't loud enough and you can't stand close enough to some random stranger, you're directly harming these businesses you are lamenting the demise of.

The rules are indeed ridiculous, but sometimes you just have make the best out of a ste situation.

Sorry, you’re still not getting it

All of the factors I mentioned, and more, make the experience a pale shadow of what it was previously.

I do still support some of these businesses but I’m afraid the fact is when the experience is so rubbish, on average far fewer people will go. And as the Govt seems hell bent on elongating COVID (the squashed sombrero!) ... the sympathy vote evaporated over time

They are absolutely fked and it’s all the Governments fault

It will, I expect, be one of THE great cultural losses to the U.K. from this sad episode

[Ntv]

PeteinSQ said:

Ntv said:

DE-FUND the NHS

A loud slow pots and pans clap fo the NHS

Politicised since 97 to the point of it being utterly toxic for the U.K.

The good people in it have been let down as have the British public

A joke surely? How is any of this the fault of the NHS? They're not the ones driving the decision to lock down etc? Unless you think they're so influential that they're also driving decision making across Europe and the rest of the world?

The NHS is all over the place in its treatment of non COVID patients. I see that everyday

Though you’ll appreciate my post is a reflection of the toxic sanctification and political weaponisation of the NHS that has hopefully reached its apogee when “protecting” an institution meant to protect us was apparently worth doing untold damage to society for

[Not-The-Messiah]

Howard- said:

Ntv said:

richardxjr said:

"No vertical drinking" is the worst bit though. Joyless. The best pubs were always busy, lots of staggering about meeting old friends, talking ste.

Gone.

Exactly. TBH the “it’s not that bad” brigade can say wtf they want. Fact is we are seeing record redundancies in that sector across the country and pubs are going to dissappear big time unless they get a big handout for a long time to come yet.

People voting with their feet.

In 10 years when you drive / cycle thru a quaint village and remember a great country pub that had been there 300 years and then see it’s an “executive” home ... well, you’ll be able to say it was all worth it so that Ethel made her 92nd birthday

By "voting with your feet" and not going to the pub because the music isn't loud enough and you can't stand close enough to some random stranger, you're directly harming these businesses you are lamenting the demise of.

The rules are indeed ridiculous, but sometimes you just have make the best out of a ste situation.

Pandering to stupid pointless rules will do more harm than good in the long run, It will make them last longer. Encouraging stupidity is never a good idea.

Its sort of like having a wannabe singer or footballer but they are essentially st at it and never going to become one. Its cruel to continue to make them believe they can. Sometimes someone needs to tell them they are st and to get a proper job.

[PeteinSQ]

Ntv said:

Sorry, you’re still not getting it

All of the factors I mentioned, and more, make the experience a pale shadow of what it was previously.

I do still support some of these businesses but I’m afraid the fact is when the experience is so rubbish, on average far fewer people will go. And as the Govt seems hell bent on elongating COVID (the squashed sombrero!) ... the sympathy vote evaporated over time

They are absolutely fked and it’s all the Governments fault

It will, I expect, be one of THE great cultural losses to the U.K. from this sad episode

There will still be people who want to run pubs after this is all over and some of them will have access to capital to make it happen.

[Colonel Cupcake]

When the junta that has taken over No10 discover that lockdowns, curfews, banning alcohol sales and masks do not work, maybe they can work through the list of strategies in the Chicken Song. No idea is 'too insane' and if it saves just one life . . .

I have altered a few lyrics

Its the time of life now covid is in the air
When those two dipsts with their crazy manic stare
Make another rule more moronic than the last
that decimates mates mates in a million different ways

From the shores of Spain
To the coast of Southern France
No matter where you hide
You just can't escape Vallance

Hold a chicken in the air
Stick a deckchair up your nose
Buy a jumbo jet
And then bury all your clothes
Paint your left knee green
Then extract your wisdom teeth
Form a string quartet
And pretend your name is Keith

Skin yourself alive
Learn to speak Arapahoe
Climb inside a dog
And behead an eskimo
Eat a Renault Four
wear salami in your ears
Casserole your gran
Disembowel yourself with spears

The Lockdown devastating
The cases are inflating
The commons not debating
Lets do it all again

Hold a chicken in the air
Stick a deckchair up your nose
Yes you'll hear this song in the holiday discos
And there's nobody in the clubs or in the bars
You must wear a mask if you holidayed on Mars

Skin yourself alive
Learn to speak Arapahoe
Climb inside a dog
And behead an eskimo
Now you've had a swab
Your brain will spring a leak
And if you get a test
You'll be stuck indoors for weeks

Hold a chicken in the air
Stick a deckchair up your nose
Buy a jumbo jet
And then bury all your clothes . . . .

[superlightr]

Graveworm said:

That's exactly what I am saying yes, it's only a personal viewpoint. We clearly differ on what it means to be honest.

I exceed the speed limit pretty much every time I drive, it's illegal. If I am stopped by the police (As happened once) and they ask me do I know what the speed limit is I will tell them, if they ask what speed, I was going I will tell them, if they ask why I was speeding I will tell them. I don't agree with enforcing speed limits, I will deal with the consequences, if any come, but I don't agree that allows me to to lie.

I understand what you are saying and agree with being honest. but you have to be a fool to self incriminate. Having been a solicitor and wife was as well may well have coloured our views.

I see it as a duty of each of us to civil disobedience and even violent disobedience when there is such abuse of power and manifestly unjust restrictions and law.

you need to stand up for what you think is right and wrong. I believe the governments actions to be so wrong and so unjust on such many levels that's its now a crime against our Human rights.

Am i doing civil disobedience you bet... violent ? not yet but I have my lines.

Edited by superlightr on Thursday 15th October 14:48

Edited by superlightr on Thursday 15th October 14:53

[grumbledoak]

Khan has been speaking
https://twitter.com/SadiqKhan/status/1316720261320...

Apparently this is "to avert the possibility of a full lockdown lasting months".

[richardxjr]

PeteinSQ said:

There will still be people who want to run pubs after this is all over and some of them will have access to capital to make it happen.

The WORST thing I have seen so far is a previously brilliant little country pub near me, landlord sadly died right at the start of this, son sold the lease quietly to some incomer who has used the Rona as an excuse to turf out the locals and turn it into a poxy restaurant. He literally moved down here from Surrey with a transit load of dark grey paint, slate plates and chalkboards, and ruined it overnight.

Stroke of well timed genius by him, his previous was airport lounges!
It may well turn out to be a resounding financial success for him, but that village has lost its pub.

[kingston12]

vixen1700 said:

croyde said:

Met an old mate in London a few days ago. Hadn't seen eachother for over a year and thought we'd visit a few pubs in the Richmond upon Thames area.

It was fekin depressing, no atmosphere, mask to get to table 2 metres away, mask to go to toilet.

Every pub was the same, mainly empty and sad.

I was glad to get home.

Does anybody have any positive pub tales since the latest nonsense rules came in?

I went to a pub in neighbouring Kingston on the weekend and it was ok (mainly because we sat outside with heaters!).

Masks required to walk through the pub and when going back in to use the Gents. Good app system to order food and drinks which came quickly. Every table inside and outside the pub was taken with quite a few people in the standing area in the garden. 10pm curfew a bit of a pain.

This was in one of the better pubs in the area, so not sure if the other ones would have done as well. The owners are obviously quite confident about the future because they are opening a new pub this week, which seems ballsy to say the least.

All that said, I doubt I'll be back now increased restrictions are in place.

[richardxjr]

grumbledoak said:

Khan has been speaking
https://twitter.com/SadiqKhan/status/1316720261320...

Apparently this is "to avert the possibility of a full lockdown lasting months".

So we're definately in for a full lockdown lasting months then, cos this finger-in-dyke ain't gonna work.

[Gecko1978]

PeteinSQ said:

Gecko1978 said:

Gym fined £1000 for staying open claiming it was for benefit of members mental and physical health.

Raised £31k in go fund me donations. Being healthy helps you fight covid. Its crazy we are not using this as an opportunity to get Britain healthy an not just back to working in factories and going to gregs and then getting sick.

Sky News: https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-merseyside-...

I heard him on the radio. They can be fined something like £10k every three hours that they stay open after a couple of days. Doesn't sound very sustainable.

I felt sorry for him as he sounded close to tears and I'm sure he's representative of a lot of business owners that are being destroyed by this situation.

My feeling for 6 years since a Dr told me straight I was over weight (her exact words were "time to go on a diet daddy" when she weighed me holding my nee born then me alone to work out his medication dose.) Was the government should stop pissing about with 10p on a can of coke and no change to a triple choc latte. We should be massively pushing the get put get fit. Instead of this girl can girl power. Lets be honest. If your fat you will have a shorter life and your last 10 years will likely be beset with illness an lack of mobility. If you are fit your years of decline can be reduced to 2. So 8 more years of productive full life.

You can go to Macdonald's eat 2000 calories in one st (but tasty) meal or for the same price you can get an hour in the gym.

[Graveworm]

Darth Paul said:

Graveworm said:

Elysium said:

It is the Govt who are dishonest. These rules, which destroy lives, livelihoods and freedoms are dishonest.

The honest, true, right and moral thing to do is resist them. To do what is best for us and our loved ones.

Johnson, Hancock, Whitty and Vallance have lied to us repeatedly. They have acted as if they are all powerful kings. As if democracy was nothing.

I do not believe the various Coronavirus Regulations have been lawfully created and I am happy, willing and proud to break them.

Great be proud to break them, lying in order to get away with doing it is dishonest.
"He lied first so I can lie" Cheapens your argument to the playground level.

“A just law is a man-made code that squares with the moral law or the law of God. An unjust law is a code that is out of harmony with the moral law. One has not only a legal but a moral responsibility to obey just laws. Conversely, one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws. An unjust law is no law at all.” Martin Luther King Jr

None of which has anything to do with being dishonest. Defy unjust laws if you want to.

Rosa Parks saying "I'm sorry I didn't realise that I was supposed to give up my seat" Would not have had the same impact.

[Saweep]

vixen1700 said:

croyde said:

Met an old mate in London a few days ago. Hadn't seen eachother for over a year and thought we'd visit a few pubs in the Richmond upon Thames area.

It was fekin depressing, no atmosphere, mask to get to table 2 metres away, mask to go to toilet.

Every pub was the same, mainly empty and sad.

I was glad to get home.

Does anybody have any positive pub tales since the latest nonsense rules came in?

I went for dinner last night in London at a relatively famous restaurant. Didn't wear a mask to walk in, like most other people. Track and trace thing wasn't offered, no collection of our details.

All very normal.

Sadly it was still half empty.

[JagLover]

grumbledoak said:

Khan has been speaking
https://twitter.com/SadiqKhan/status/1316720261320...

Apparently this is "to avert the possibility of a full lockdown lasting months".

KHAAAAAN

https://tenor.com/view/star-trek-the-wrath-of-khan...

[Gecko1978]

TheDrBrian said:

isaldiri said:

Graveworm said:

What was the last virus that came along that we ignored, that with all the measures we put in place killed 50,000 people in the UK

Flu. 45000+ excess winter deaths in 2014/15 and again in 2017/18.

No one seemed to give a damn at hundreds dying per week.

Flu is old hat. The Rona that’s so hot right now.

Also fairly sure in worst year flu deaths were 25k. So not as bad as the Covid Death plague

[monkfish1]

grumbledoak said:

Khan has been speaking
https://twitter.com/SadiqKhan/status/1316720261320...

Apparently this is "to avert the possibility of a full lockdown lasting months".

After they spout this drivel, when will a journolist be man enough to say "what happens after this" . "what happens next"