US Elections 2012 Obama v Romney Official Thread
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speedy_thrills said:
How much does it cost to buy a vote? I've always wondered those billboards and radio advertisements actually make anyone change their mind.
Here it's TV that matters. And there are political ads in every break at present. People like the Koch brothers and Shelson Adelson obviously think it works because they've given tens of millions to Romney hoping he'll get elected and do what he promises, raise taxes on the middle classes and slash them for billionaires. Fortunately enough little people are giving $10 or $20 to Obama so the dems are able to buy equal airtime to be able to rebut the lies. 
unrepentant said:
Here it's TV that matters. And there are political ads in every break at present. People like the Koch brothers and Shelson Adelson obviously think it works because they've given tens of millions to Romney hoping he'll get elected and do what he promises, raise taxes on the middle classes and slash them for billionaires.
Just wondering what Adelson et al are expecting in exchange for their million dollar donations 
unrepentant said:
CNN poll out tonight has moved from tie to Obama by 6.
Looks like the dems got a bigger than expected lift from the conventions. We shouldn't really be surprised. As well as a strong speech by the President we also had great inspirational speeches by Castro, Warren, Villaraigosa, Clinton, Baldwin and many others that strongly endorsed Obama and his policies. Contrast that with a lacklustre RNC where key speakers like Christie and Rubio hardly mentioned Romney and used their speeches purely to position themselves for 2016!
Perhaps it would be better to wait for a poll that isn't skewed towards the Democrats before jumping to conclusions. CNN say the sampling was 50/45/5 Democrats/Republicans/Independents so a 6% Democrat lead isn't too surprising.Looks like the dems got a bigger than expected lift from the conventions. We shouldn't really be surprised. As well as a strong speech by the President we also had great inspirational speeches by Castro, Warren, Villaraigosa, Clinton, Baldwin and many others that strongly endorsed Obama and his policies. Contrast that with a lacklustre RNC where key speakers like Christie and Rubio hardly mentioned Romney and used their speeches purely to position themselves for 2016!
Countdown said:
If that 50/45/5 is a cross section of the general electorate then it's not skewed, is it?
Ok. Those were the figures that jumped out at me but I see your point. Here's the whole article which goes into more detail and probably makes more sense than the one set of figures I took out.http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/09/10...
Countdown said:
Just wondering what Adelson et al are expecting in exchange for their million dollar donations
I don't know much about the Kochs but in Adelson's case there are a couple of things high up his list. Firstly he doesn't want to be subject to the same laws as everyone else when it comes to bribery and corruption abroad. He has major gambling interests in Macau which if investigated might be just as squeaky clean as you'd expect, i.e. not at all. Secondly he is a very strong supporter of Israel, by which I mean he is a racist who wants Jewish settlers to be able to build what they want where they want, again in utter defiance of any number of existing laws. A charming fellow I'm sure.Countdown said:
Just wondering what Adelson et al are expecting in exchange for their million dollar donations
Probably something similar to what Soros and the Unions are expecting in return for their multi million dollar donations to Obama's campaign.Wherever you are in the world it seems politicians are there to be bought to a greater or lesser extent.
stevejh said:
Countdown said:
Just wondering what Adelson et al are expecting in exchange for their million dollar donations
Probably something similar to what Soros and the Unions are expecting in return for their multi million dollar donations to Obama's campaign.
Didn't Jimbo say that "Big Business" supported Romney rather than Obama ?
Countdown said:
stevejh said:
Countdown said:
Just wondering what Adelson et al are expecting in exchange for their million dollar donations
Probably something similar to what Soros and the Unions are expecting in return for their multi million dollar donations to Obama's campaign.Didn't Jimbo say that "Big Business" supported Romney rather than Obama ?
Guam said:
Countdown said:
IIRC Soros wants to pay MORE tax - selfish git
Didn't Jimbo say that "Big Business" supported Romney rather than Obama ?
Ah yes the man who brags about destroying economies and currency values and consequently wiping out the wealth of the "average Joe" definitely a poster boy for altruism.Didn't Jimbo say that "Big Business" supported Romney rather than Obama ?
Guam said:
Ah yes the man who brags about destroying economies and currency values and consequently wiping out the wealth of the "average Joe" definitely a poster boy for altruism.
Soros is on no ones side but his own therefore using his funds to drive an election campaign, makes the Dems no better thsn the Republicans
But his own side is big business, surely?Soros is on no ones side but his own therefore using his funds to drive an election campaign, makes the Dems no better thsn the Republicans
Guam said:
No its his twisted socio political views that seem to drive him now.
As I said just google something like the Real George Soros and dump the tinfoil hat mob, even taking the whack jobs out of the debate, there is more than enough out there from his own mouth to give any rational person a series of chills down the spine.
If a Bond villian ever really existed he would definitely be on the short list imho
Not just him though, is it? Soros, Buffett, Gates, Ellison, all Democrats. Looking down the Forbes list the people on there who vote Republican seem to be wealth preservers rather than wealth creators - born into lots of money and are doing their darndest to keep it. As I said just google something like the Real George Soros and dump the tinfoil hat mob, even taking the whack jobs out of the debate, there is more than enough out there from his own mouth to give any rational person a series of chills down the spine.
If a Bond villian ever really existed he would definitely be on the short list imho
stevejh said:
unrepentant said:
CNN poll out tonight has moved from tie to Obama by 6.
Looks like the dems got a bigger than expected lift from the conventions. We shouldn't really be surprised. As well as a strong speech by the President we also had great inspirational speeches by Castro, Warren, Villaraigosa, Clinton, Baldwin and many others that strongly endorsed Obama and his policies. Contrast that with a lacklustre RNC where key speakers like Christie and Rubio hardly mentioned Romney and used their speeches purely to position themselves for 2016!
Perhaps it would be better to wait for a poll that isn't skewed towards the Democrats before jumping to conclusions. CNN say the sampling was 50/45/5 Democrats/Republicans/Independents so a 6% Democrat lead isn't too surprising.Looks like the dems got a bigger than expected lift from the conventions. We shouldn't really be surprised. As well as a strong speech by the President we also had great inspirational speeches by Castro, Warren, Villaraigosa, Clinton, Baldwin and many others that strongly endorsed Obama and his policies. Contrast that with a lacklustre RNC where key speakers like Christie and Rubio hardly mentioned Romney and used their speeches purely to position themselves for 2016!
stevejh said:
unrepentant said:
CNN poll out tonight has moved from tie to Obama by 6.
Looks like the dems got a bigger than expected lift from the conventions. We shouldn't really be surprised. As well as a strong speech by the President we also had great inspirational speeches by Castro, Warren, Villaraigosa, Clinton, Baldwin and many others that strongly endorsed Obama and his policies. Contrast that with a lacklustre RNC where key speakers like Christie and Rubio hardly mentioned Romney and used their speeches purely to position themselves for 2016!
Perhaps it would be better to wait for a poll that isn't skewed towards the Democrats before jumping to conclusions. CNN say the sampling was 50/45/5 Democrats/Republicans/Independents so a 6% Democrat lead isn't too surprising.Looks like the dems got a bigger than expected lift from the conventions. We shouldn't really be surprised. As well as a strong speech by the President we also had great inspirational speeches by Castro, Warren, Villaraigosa, Clinton, Baldwin and many others that strongly endorsed Obama and his policies. Contrast that with a lacklustre RNC where key speakers like Christie and Rubio hardly mentioned Romney and used their speeches purely to position themselves for 2016!
Countdown said:
stevejh said:
Countdown said:
Just wondering what Adelson et al are expecting in exchange for their million dollar donations
Probably something similar to what Soros and the Unions are expecting in return for their multi million dollar donations to Obama's campaign.Didn't Jimbo say that "Big Business" supported Romney rather than Obama ?
Guam said:
I am of the opinion that Buffet and Gates seem to be more the classic altruistic benefactors now, looking at where their foundations are spending their funds, I see less political leverage type stuff <not saying it doesnt exist mind>.
Soros is cut from a different cloth entirely though!
"In an article Kyle-Anne Shiver wrote for “The American Thinker” she says, “Soros made his first billion in 1992 by shorting the British pound with leveraged billions in financial bets, and became known as the man who broke the Bank of England . He broke it on the backs of hard-working British citizens who immediately saw their homes severely devalued and their life savings cut drastically, almost overnight.”
He was entirely right in that respect. The mechanics of it are entirely boring and more suited to the "End of the Euro" thread, but he saw something that was going to happen at some point in the fairly near future, and managed to make a profit out of it. As it turns out, what he did was actually quite beneficial for British business in the long term.Soros is cut from a different cloth entirely though!
"In an article Kyle-Anne Shiver wrote for “The American Thinker” she says, “Soros made his first billion in 1992 by shorting the British pound with leveraged billions in financial bets, and became known as the man who broke the Bank of England . He broke it on the backs of hard-working British citizens who immediately saw their homes severely devalued and their life savings cut drastically, almost overnight.”
stevejh said:
unrepentant said:
CNN poll out tonight has moved from tie to Obama by 6.
Looks like the dems got a bigger than expected lift from the conventions. We shouldn't really be surprised. As well as a strong speech by the President we also had great inspirational speeches by Castro, Warren, Villaraigosa, Clinton, Baldwin and many others that strongly endorsed Obama and his policies. Contrast that with a lacklustre RNC where key speakers like Christie and Rubio hardly mentioned Romney and used their speeches purely to position themselves for 2016!
Perhaps it would be better to wait for a poll that isn't skewed towards the Democrats before jumping to conclusions. CNN say the sampling was 50/45/5 Democrats/Republicans/Independents so a 6% Democrat lead isn't too surprising.Looks like the dems got a bigger than expected lift from the conventions. We shouldn't really be surprised. As well as a strong speech by the President we also had great inspirational speeches by Castro, Warren, Villaraigosa, Clinton, Baldwin and many others that strongly endorsed Obama and his policies. Contrast that with a lacklustre RNC where key speakers like Christie and Rubio hardly mentioned Romney and used their speeches purely to position themselves for 2016!
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