Organ Transplant Bill
Discussion
Oakey said:
J4CKO said:
If I am dead, not fussed, if they are any use crack on.
I saw a bit of film about the parents of an organ donor meeting the recipient of said organ, it was heart rending, got a bit of dust in my eye stuff.
As a father of three, if the worst happened to any of them I would not hesitate to sign whatever is needed, the thought that a part of them is still living would be of great comfort, in the absence of religion, in what would be the worst possible scenario a parent can go through its the best you could hope for and it gives some other parent the chance to potentially no have to go through it.
I fully support it, all the marvellous advances that have been developed and it cant be done due to a lack of organs, yet thousands of healthy organs get buried or cremated every day, cant imagine why anyone would rather see an organ decompose or get turned to ash in some strange idea of keeping their loved one whole ? they get turned to a pile of dust, that's not whole, or left to turn to soup in the ground, and anyway, still plenty left for ash or soup duties !
Not really though, those organs are already dead and nonviable. I saw a bit of film about the parents of an organ donor meeting the recipient of said organ, it was heart rending, got a bit of dust in my eye stuff.
As a father of three, if the worst happened to any of them I would not hesitate to sign whatever is needed, the thought that a part of them is still living would be of great comfort, in the absence of religion, in what would be the worst possible scenario a parent can go through its the best you could hope for and it gives some other parent the chance to potentially no have to go through it.
I fully support it, all the marvellous advances that have been developed and it cant be done due to a lack of organs, yet thousands of healthy organs get buried or cremated every day, cant imagine why anyone would rather see an organ decompose or get turned to ash in some strange idea of keeping their loved one whole ? they get turned to a pile of dust, that's not whole, or left to turn to soup in the ground, and anyway, still plenty left for ash or soup duties !
Yes, they are by then I expect, obviously there are many scenarios and nobody is going to miss the organs for transpant of someone found dead after a week or many other occasions where those organs are not suitable, I am talking about where there is a possibility that isnt taken and healthy organs are destroyed, which I thought would be fairly obvious ?
J4CKO said:
Not really though, those organs are already dead and nonviable.
Yes, they are by then I expect, obviously there are many scenarios and nobody is going to miss the organs for transpant of someone found dead after a week or many other occasions where those organs are not suitable, I am talking about where there is a possibility that isnt taken and healthy organs are destroyed, which I thought would be fairly obvious ?
Indeed; I took your post to mean "organs that might otherwise have been removed and made available for transplant".Yes, they are by then I expect, obviously there are many scenarios and nobody is going to miss the organs for transpant of someone found dead after a week or many other occasions where those organs are not suitable, I am talking about where there is a possibility that isnt taken and healthy organs are destroyed, which I thought would be fairly obvious ?
wiggy001 said:
Really don't have an issue with this and, while it's the individual's right to choose (which they still can after this act is passed), I don't really understand why someone wouldn't want to be a donor.
Presumed consent happens all the time. There are apparently millions of people that didn't want to leave the EU but couldn't be bothered to vote... sorry but tough. If you have a strong opinion against organ donation you will opt out. If you can't be bothered then you can't care about the subject that much.
For a couple of generations now people have become less and less able to take responsibility for their actions and themselves. Can't be bothered. Someone else's problem. I'm not paid to do that... When you think about it, it is actually pretty shameful that we are in a position where a law like this is even necessary. Whatever happens to a sense of responsibility? A sense of helping your fellow man? Potentially saving someone's life after you're dead isn't exactly a great sacrifice is it? It's not like you actually need to get off your arse and do anything? In fact for many I'd imagine it would be by far and aware the most impressive thing they have ever done with their pathetic lives so at least at your funeral they will have something nice to say about you.
I'm obviously not thinking of anyone on this thread with that last bit...
Very good post. Unfortunately, it'll change nothing. Presumed consent happens all the time. There are apparently millions of people that didn't want to leave the EU but couldn't be bothered to vote... sorry but tough. If you have a strong opinion against organ donation you will opt out. If you can't be bothered then you can't care about the subject that much.
For a couple of generations now people have become less and less able to take responsibility for their actions and themselves. Can't be bothered. Someone else's problem. I'm not paid to do that... When you think about it, it is actually pretty shameful that we are in a position where a law like this is even necessary. Whatever happens to a sense of responsibility? A sense of helping your fellow man? Potentially saving someone's life after you're dead isn't exactly a great sacrifice is it? It's not like you actually need to get off your arse and do anything? In fact for many I'd imagine it would be by far and aware the most impressive thing they have ever done with their pathetic lives so at least at your funeral they will have something nice to say about you.
I'm obviously not thinking of anyone on this thread with that last bit...
fblm said:
Your answer seems to have disappeared. What does that mean? You're dying and need a transplant; you'll be happy if you get one or not? The question was; if you are going to refuse to donate, will you also refuse to receive?
I meant that if I’m offered one then great, if it is decided that you cannot have one unless youstay opt in for example, that is also fine with me.
If someone said you can’t have one unless you offer yours then so be it, I’m not bothered by that stance at all.
Personally I think that should be the case, it’s the fairest way
jjlynn27 said:
wiggy001 said:
Really don't have an issue with this and, while it's the individual's right to choose (which they still can after this act is passed), I don't really understand why someone wouldn't want to be a donor.
Presumed consent happens all the time. There are apparently millions of people that didn't want to leave the EU but couldn't be bothered to vote... sorry but tough. If you have a strong opinion against organ donation you will opt out. If you can't be bothered then you can't care about the subject that much.
For a couple of generations now people have become less and less able to take responsibility for their actions and themselves. Can't be bothered. Someone else's problem. I'm not paid to do that... When you think about it, it is actually pretty shameful that we are in a position where a law like this is even necessary. Whatever happens to a sense of responsibility? A sense of helping your fellow man? Potentially saving someone's life after you're dead isn't exactly a great sacrifice is it? It's not like you actually need to get off your arse and do anything? In fact for many I'd imagine it would be by far and aware the most impressive thing they have ever done with their pathetic lives so at least at your funeral they will have something nice to say about you.
I'm obviously not thinking of anyone on this thread with that last bit...
Very good post. Unfortunately, it'll change nothing. Presumed consent happens all the time. There are apparently millions of people that didn't want to leave the EU but couldn't be bothered to vote... sorry but tough. If you have a strong opinion against organ donation you will opt out. If you can't be bothered then you can't care about the subject that much.
For a couple of generations now people have become less and less able to take responsibility for their actions and themselves. Can't be bothered. Someone else's problem. I'm not paid to do that... When you think about it, it is actually pretty shameful that we are in a position where a law like this is even necessary. Whatever happens to a sense of responsibility? A sense of helping your fellow man? Potentially saving someone's life after you're dead isn't exactly a great sacrifice is it? It's not like you actually need to get off your arse and do anything? In fact for many I'd imagine it would be by far and aware the most impressive thing they have ever done with their pathetic lives so at least at your funeral they will have something nice to say about you.
I'm obviously not thinking of anyone on this thread with that last bit...
Until of course, they, or someone they know needs an organ, perhaps they boozed their liver to death, all about the transplants then.
djdest said:
If someone said you can’t have one unless you offer yours then so be it, I’m not bothered by that stance at all.
Personally I think that should be the case, it’s the fairest way
Opt in to donate and receive would be a fair and dignified approach. A free choice. No stigma. No need for all the bile and nasty insinuations from those who worry they might be denied something they think they are entitled to.Personally I think that should be the case, it’s the fairest way
grumbledoak said:
Opt in to donate and receive would be a fair and dignified approach. A free choice. No stigma. No need for all the bile and nasty insinuations from those who worry they might be denied something they think they are entitled to.
The opting in to receive would be ethically dubious. How do you deny someone an organ of they "forgot" to sign up. Much better to assume everyone is in unless they say otherwise.wiggy001 said:
In fact for many I'd imagine it would be by far and aware the most impressive thing they have ever done with their pathetic lives so at least at your funeral they will have something nice to say about you.
Even at 53 years old my body is bit bashed up but if there's one thing I'd like to leave behind it's a bit of me that would help someone else.
crankedup said:
Next step spare parts farm, bodies kept viable for months and spares harvested on a ad hoc basis over a period of months.
Well that hasn’t happened in any of the other European countries with presumed consent so I’d say we’re pretty safe.Spare parts labs where we grow everything we need are hopefully the future though. Save all this messing around with the dead and dying and their kin.
Europa1 said:
crankedup said:
Next step spare parts farm, bodies kept viable for months and spares harvested on a ad hoc basis over a period of months.
Must call my broker and instruct him to go long on shares in tinfoil manufacturers.Rovinghawk said:
Europa1 said:
crankedup said:
Next step spare parts farm, bodies kept viable for months and spares harvested on a ad hoc basis over a period of months.
Must call my broker and instruct him to go long on shares in tinfoil manufacturers.Europa1 said:
Rovinghawk said:
Europa1 said:
crankedup said:
Next step spare parts farm, bodies kept viable for months and spares harvested on a ad hoc basis over a period of months.
Must call my broker and instruct him to go long on shares in tinfoil manufacturers.fblm said:
It's got fvck all to do with morals. Your dead body is a bag of spare parts of no value to you. Feel free to opt out and feel great about yourself, perfectly safe in the knowledge that the medical profession won't kick your sorry arse out the transplant queue because you're a dick. How big of you.
Yet another one having to resort to personal insults. Pathetic.Do you class every one as a dick if they don’t share your point of view on something ?
djdest said:
Do you class every one as a dick if they don’t share your point of view on something ?
I think that depends of what view of mine they don't share. They might have a different view on Brexit, or the death penalty, which is fair enough. If they don't share my view that evolution is real or the holocaust happened, then they're a dick.
Refusing to donate your organs, when you were happy to donate them before, because you think the govt are being rude to you in changing from opt in to opt out......definite dick territory.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
I think that depends of what view of mine they don't share.
They might have a different view on Brexit, or the death penalty, which is fair enough. If they don't share my view that evolution is real or the holocaust happened, then they're a dick.
Refusing to donate your organs, when you were happy to donate them before, because you think the govt are being rude to you in changing from opt in to opt out......definite dick territory.
You obviously mean me- it wasn't a case of rudeness so much as the presumption that I exist to be used as they see fit.They might have a different view on Brexit, or the death penalty, which is fair enough. If they don't share my view that evolution is real or the holocaust happened, then they're a dick.
Refusing to donate your organs, when you were happy to donate them before, because you think the govt are being rude to you in changing from opt in to opt out......definite dick territory.
As you've chosen to be insulting, may I say in turn that I hope your testicles shrivel up & fall off?
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