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PurpleMoonlight said:
You don't see any negatives. He doesn't see any positives.
Seems a fair balance to a debate.
I see normality and far less short term impact than was predicted. Any major change is going to have some impacts, both negative and positive. What matters is where we end up when the dust settles.Seems a fair balance to a debate.
This is no different than any other process of change, sometimes it hurts like hell, sometimes its a non event, sometimes is far easier than you hoped.
Smiler. said:
Gloria Slap said:
Henners said:
She does need to warm up a little.
However I give it 50/50 as to whether Jezza’s chat is along the line of just checking, you all hate the Jews too
It is rather depressing that an unelectable marxist idiot surrounded by idiots, who is also embroiled in a corrosive racism scandals which he is directly involved with and has show a tragic absence of any kind of leadership over - won some seats at the election this week.However I give it 50/50 as to whether Jezza’s chat is along the line of just checking, you all hate the Jews too
May should have romped home against such “opposition” - which also shows what a s
tshower her and her mob are too. At least UKIP are going down the toilet.
Whilst a new leader 'could' help just reflashing the software in the Maybot is urgently needed
PurpleMoonlight said:
jsf said:
What would you like me to say? It sure isn't the profound recession promised as a result of the seismic changes Brexit means.
No it's not, bit it's a tad worrying nonetheless.jjlynn27 said:
jsf said:
Are you finally going to accept that racism wasn't the driver for Brexit?
Why would anyone accept something that is demonstrably not true?If the BNP ran the Leave campaign, then yes, you'd be right. But the BNP has not got a single district councillor in the whole of the UK at present. They are an irrelevance in British politics - but handy for photoshoots and frothing liberals who think 'right wing' and 'fascist' are synonyms.
Or perhaps you believe that every single one of the 17 million people who voted to leave have got Nazi tattoos?
PurpleMoonlight said:
Tuna said:
No, I didn't ask what would be best for Britain, which option was better, or what analysis you've read recently. We know the answers you have for those questions, because you tell us regularly and your position has not changed in the last two years.
I asked - if the government decides to reject your approach and breaks from the CM/SU, will you accept their consensus?
Sorry, but given the amount of fI asked - if the government decides to reject your approach and breaks from the CM/SU, will you accept their consensus?
k ups this Government have made it's a bit of a silly question, no?
It's genuinely interesting. The committees are moving on from fighting the referendum to choosing the best economic options for the country going forward. They're having to choose not on the basis of Leave vs Remain, but on the basis of what they believe will deliver the greatest growth and opportunities. The subtle changes in positioning are fascinating to watch.
The reason I've been pressing Gloria to answer (and I suspect the reason he's done everything to avoid answering) is to see if he's capable of moving beyond the arguments of the Referendum to the pressing question of 'what next?'.
Tuna said:
Or perhaps you believe that every single one of the 17 million people who voted to leave have got Nazi tattoos?
No, I doubt it.Do you believe every single one voted to leave the SM, or send £350m/week to the NHS?
The funny thing is leaving the SM/CU is only really a big deal because of the four freedoms.
Trade deals to sell pigs ears and save 3p on a satsuma are just a smoke screen for the main reason.
That's what Liechtenstein was a such a thing, because it was in the SM/CU but, well, you know.
Murph7355 said:
jjlynn27 said:
jsf said:
Are you finally going to accept that racism wasn't the driver for Brexit?
Why would anyone accept something that is demonstrably not true?
Tuna said:
Maybe it's a language thing. A 'driver for Brexit' would be a leading cause.
Maybe, or maybe 'the main driver for Brexit' would be a leading cause. Tuna said:
What you posted was largely pictures of extremists who happened to see what they wanted in Brexit. We'd probably refer to them as 'hangers on'.
Funny seems that all extremists are voting the same way. I can repost the pictures of Communist party with the same placards. Tuna said:
If the BNP ran the Leave campaign, then yes, you'd be right. But the BNP has not got a single district councillor in the whole of the UK at present. They are an irrelevance in British politics - but handy for photoshoots and frothing liberals who think 'right wing' and 'fascist' are synonyms.
BNP is an irrelevance, EDL is an irrelevance, kippers are an irrelevance, communists are an irrelevance. Who thinks that 'right wing' and 'fascist' are synonyms? Is that yet another thing that you made up?
Tuna said:
Or perhaps you believe that every single one of the 17 million people who voted to leave have got Nazi tattoos?
When did you stop beating your wife?Gloria Slap said:
jsf said:
Its like trying to discuss something with a child who just wants their ice cream and nothing else matters, trying to have a conversation with you. 
Are you going to [lisp]scream and scream and scream until you are sick? [/lisp]
Just my counter arguments to you “everything is rosy”Are you going to [lisp]scream and scream and scream until you are sick? [/lisp]
GDP very poor compared to EU
Pound still much lower than pre ref
Treasury predictions - 2-5-8% poorer
Home Office - immigration incompetence will continue it seems
Your response is just to say I’m a child. How ironic. A child with a more compelling and evidence backed reasoning than you it seems.
The GDP isn't very poor compared to the EU, the latest snapshot is. Given that there has been *terrible* news and navel gazing about the EU economies for the last 4 yrs, then thank sodding God the EU is rebounding at last!!! Some of us have a hell of a lot more skin in the game than you do that the EU rebounds!!!
The Treasury have not got a prediction right in...actually in 40 yrs I struggle to remember the Treasury ever getting a prediction correct. I trust Michael Fish more.
The Home Office have been incompetent longer than the Treasury. In this regard they tend to be matched only by the Foreign Office. Quite frankly I sometimes feel its an internal Civil Service competition as to who can f
k things up the most.The governance of the UK is quite frequently lamentable. I consider this to be a hard fact beyond reasonable doubt. The governance of the EU however, is both lamentable and rigged. I am unsure how anybody is able to muster up much enthusiastic support for either side.
jjlynn27 said:
Tuna said:
What you posted was largely pictures of extremists who happened to see what they wanted in Brexit. We'd probably refer to them as 'hangers on'.
Funny seems that all extremists are voting the same way. I can repost the pictures of Communist party with the same placards. It would take a troll-like mentality though to go from BNP thinking Leave matches their goals, to suggesting Leave was 'driven by' people like the BNP. But both you and Gloria have jumped off the deep end more than once in that regard, haven't you?
The Dangerous Elk said:
desolate said:
did we every find out what happened to Don4L?
According to some, I am his/its/her reincarnation.It’s actually hard to tell you all apart now, all posting the same stuff on the same threads. You and that Kccv23highliftbrexit bloke you’re probably all don4l like in Spartacus.
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