45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. (Vol 6)

[kowalski655]

Boydie88 said:

But there are countries where it is illegal to be gay, and Trump's regime should be applauded if sanctions on them manage to bring any of the countries that do prosecute it into the 21st century.

Maybe he will start with Saudi Arabia

Oh,wait!

[Boydie88]

_dobbo_ said:

Boydie88 said:

"the idea that Trump can influence countries like Iran to change their stance on homosexuality is laughable."

It was in response to this you clown. If this logic were present across all humans, what would be the point in trying to change anything for the better.

Forums may be confusing for you, but you quoted a completely different post when you wrote it.

I assumed it was in response to the post you quoted, because you know, that's the fundamental way conversations work.

You clown.

Bless your sweet heart for seeing the real pure reasons Trump is doing this rather than being all cynical though. How blind the rest of us are!

What are you on about? I rolled my eyes at your last sentence in the post I quoted, you know, the one where you say it's laughable he's trying. As quoted below.

Boydie88 said:

_dobbo_ said:

Boydie88 said:

It would be great news if this is successful in even in one country. Can't wait to see how it is spun against him.

It's not hard to see how it will be spun against him, it's literally written in the article in the first couple of paragraphs.

Trump doesn't give a st about homosexuals in other countries. It's a stick to hit Iran with and if that means pretending to fight for gay rights then he'll do that for about 5 minutes before going back to bleating about Russia and wall.

You're right that it would be great news, but the idea that Trump can influence countries like Iran to change their stance on homosexuality is laughable.

Yes, more the fool him for even trying.

Couldn't care less what his motivations were or if you think he doesn't care (I suspect you'd be right), it's a cause worth getting behind and hopefully kicks a few more western nations into action.

[Boydie88]

kowalski655 said:

Boydie88 said:

But there are countries where it is illegal to be gay, and Trump's regime should be applauded if sanctions on them manage to bring any of the countries that do prosecute it into the 21st century.

Maybe he will start with Saudi Arabia

Oh,wait!

We can but dream. Has the Saudi question been asked of any Democrat runners yet?

[_dobbo_]

Boydie88 said:

What are you on about?

I could ask you the same but I fear you'd reply to a different post of mine to explain it.

In a nutshell - I was critical of Trump's motive whilst being extremely supportive of his intent and actions, but doubtful that he would succeed.

You then said this made me "deranged".

[Boydie88]

_dobbo_ said:

Boydie88 said:

What are you on about?

I could ask you the same but I fear you'd reply to a different post of mine to explain it.

In a nutshell - I was critical of Trump's motive whilst being extremely supportive of his intent and actions, but doubtful that he would succeed.

You then said this made me "deranged".

Where have I replied to a different post? I merely quote you as a response to the post I was quoting, it's not hard to grasp.

Calling an attempt laughable is going a bit beyond doubtful and instead reads critical but it sounds like you've gone back on that now, so good stuff.

[minimoog]

Boydie88 said:

Calling an attempt laughable is going a bit beyond doubtful

In Saudi, Iran, and several other they'll execute you for being gay. Chop your damn head off. I don't think laughable is far off describing the prospects of of persuading them to decriminalise it, even if the intent were sincere.

[Boydie88]

minimoog said:

Boydie88 said:

Calling an attempt laughable is going a bit beyond doubtful

In Saudi, Iran, and several other they'll execute you for being gay. Chop your damn head off. I don't think laughable is far off describing the prospects of of persuading them to decriminalise it, even if the intent were sincere.

So should the regime be applauded for making moves to kick start a movement to campaign for change, or ridiculed because strict Islamic nations (and some Christian nations not mentioned above) can't be changed?

[Gameface]

It's a noble cause bit it's little more grandstanding. Nothing will come of it because once the photo ops and soundbites are out the way, they will move on because the cause doesn't actually mean a damn thing to them.

I won't pat them on the back for grandstanding.

That's what his base do.

[Escapegoat]

Boydie88 said:

So should the regime be applauded for making moves to kick start a movement to campaign for change, or ridiculed because strict Islamic nations (and some Christian nations not mentioned above) can't be changed?

It absolutely should be taken seriously.

If it came to pass, it would change the life of many millions of people for the better, and kick start (you'd hope) some degree of social progression in hundreds of repressive countries. I'd certainly be clapping Trump as he collected every prize he got for it (and I do think Trump is an unvarnished scumbag).

I'd especially love it if the other arms of the US Government took Trump at his word and attached a legal provision such that every USA trade/weapons/aid deal could only be done after the full repeal of homosexuality-repressive laws in the co-signing nation. No doubt, Trump would push for bipartisan support of such an important measure..., no?

[rscott]

Boydie88 said:

_dobbo_ said:

Boydie88 said:

Deary me. Imagine being so deranged you criticise this attempt. Embarrassing chap.

Deary me, imagine being so deranged you can't understand when someone is agreeing with you even though they write "I completely agree".

"the idea that Trump can influence countries like Iran to change their stance on homosexuality is laughable."

It was in response to this you clown. If this logic were present across all humans, what would be the point in trying to change anything for the better.

How about he sorts out the obvious homophobia in parts of his own country before moving out to the rest of the world?
A start would be public condemnation of the politician I linked to earlier.

[minimoog]

Boydie88 said:

So should the regime be applauded for making moves to kick start a movement to campaign for change, or ridiculed because strict Islamic nations (and some Christian nations not mentioned above) can't be changed?

Regime's an interesting choice of word

I'm not exactly sure what you're looking for here. People have agreed a that decriminalising homosexuality is a worthy cause. I suspect you can take that as a given for pretty much everyone in here.

Tossing around words like 'deranged' and 'ridicule' to describe people essentially agreeing with the possible motives of those behind the policy as they are presented in the article you yourself posted though. Not a great look there mate.

[captain_cynic]

minimoog said:

Boydie88 said:

So should the regime be applauded for making moves to kick start a movement to campaign for change, or ridiculed because strict Islamic nations (and some Christian nations not mentioned above) can't be changed?

Regime's an interesting choice of word

I'm not exactly sure what you're looking for here. People have agreed a that decriminalising homosexuality is a worthy cause. I suspect you can take that as a given for pretty much everyone in here.

Tossing around words like 'deranged' and 'ridicule' to describe people essentially agreeing with the possible motives of those behind the policy as they are presented in the article you yourself posted. Not a great look there mate.

Yes, the pertinent question is why is the President of the United States trying to change hate and bigotry in Iran rather than confronting the issue of hate and bigotry in the United States?

I'll save Boydie from avoiding the answer again, because that would target his own supporters and going after Iran with a policy that will do SFA makes him look good to his supporters because they hate Arabs and Muslims (and don't know the majority of Iranians are actually Persian... let alone that Persians are Caucasian).

[vonuber]

How about the US sorts it's own issues - racism, homophobia, rampant inequality etc out first before interfering with other nations?
It would seem a tad hypocritical otherwise.

However if there is a positive outcome from it then all to the good.

[Aphex]

Racism and homophobia are already illegal in the US aren't they?

[Boydie88]

rscott said:

How about he sorts out the obvious homophobia in parts of his own country before moving out to the rest of the world?
A start would be public condemnation of the politician I linked to earlier.

He is a repulsive chap. But I don't believe holding homophobic views (or any views) should be illegal unless you support action against those you target. It would be nice to condemn it though. It's a position I don't think would be hard for him to hold and I doubt he'd lose any voters from it as I can't see his support switching on it.

Escapegoat said:

Boydie88 said:

So should the regime be applauded for making moves to kick start a movement to campaign for change, or ridiculed because strict Islamic nations (and some Christian nations not mentioned above) can't be changed?

It absolutely should be taken seriously.

If it came to pass, it would change the life of many millions of people for the better, and kick start (you'd hope) some degree of social progression in hundreds of repressive countries. I'd certainly be clapping Trump as he collected every prize he got for it (and I do think Trump is an unvarnished scumbag).

I'd especially love it if the other arms of the US Government took Trump at his word and attached a legal provision such that every USA trade/weapons/aid deal could only be done after the full repeal of homosexuality-repressive laws in the co-signing nation. No doubt, Trump would push for bipartisan support of such an important measure..., no?

I'd love for your last paragraph to be true. But sadly it seems many are keen to virtue signal around such policies (what this could well be) and very few action on it.

The money trail between Hilary and Saudi suggests she was unlikely to change much had she been in place.

I caught this on TV the other day
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p06xm3wb

Very interesting viewing. It's very frustrating the western world bends over backwards to this lot in the pursuit of the black gold.

[Byker28i]

Boydie88 said:

kowalski655 said:

Boydie88 said:

But there are countries where it is illegal to be gay, and Trump's regime should be applauded if sanctions on them manage to bring any of the countries that do prosecute it into the 21st century.

Maybe he will start with Saudi Arabia

Oh,wait!

We can but dream. Has the Saudi question been asked of any Democrat runners yet?

No need, they haven't been doing property deals there, of had a son in law selling secrets to prop up his business?

Anyhow, how can trump admin suggest rights for gays abroad when they are seeking to diminish them at home?

[Byker28i]

captain_cynic said:

Yes, the pertinent question is why is the President of the United States trying to change hate and bigotry in Iran rather than confronting the issue of hate and bigotry in the United States?

I'll save Boydie from avoiding the answer again, because that would target his own supporters and going after Iran with a policy that will do SFA makes him look good to his supporters because they hate Arabs and Muslims (and don't know the majority of Iranians are actually Persian... let alone that Persians are Caucasian).

Exactly this. Start with the racists and bigots in his own party/country/supporters first

[Byker28i]

Aphex said:

Racism and homophobia are already illegal in the US aren't they?

I believe so, there are also many fine people on both sides.

[hidetheelephants]

Kinky said:

Its just suddenly struck me that we've not heard from the gaffemieister himself, Rudy Giuliani.

I wonder if he has 'mysteriously' disappeared? Or has he been ordered not to publicly comment on any of the multitude of legal 'challenges' that the Orange one finds himself with?

The dark lord Nosferatu is recharging in a sepulchre somewhere, receiving transfusions of bullst to top up his reserves.

[Boydie88]

minimoog said:

Regime's an interesting choice of word

I'm not exactly sure what you're looking for here. People have agreed a that decriminalising homosexuality is a worthy cause. I suspect you can take that as a given for pretty much everyone in here.

Tossing around words like 'deranged' and 'ridicule' to describe people essentially agreeing with the possible motives of those behind the policy as they are presented in the article you yourself posted though. Not a great look there mate.

They're a largely authoritarian government, no? Sadly I don't think there are many who would run a more libertarian government.

Laughing at an attempt to make the world a better place is ridicule that can only stem from derangement imo.