Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. Vol 4

[grumbledoak]

It is also worth noting that www.skepticalscience.com is nothing of the sort. Expect half the story, at most.

[robinessex]

Comments on this Ziggy and Durbster

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHFfOOF-6Fs

[wc98]

LongQ said:

Have you run out of medication?

Is there anyone we could call to get help to you?

no help possible, zyggy is to the climate change thread what ajd is to the brexit threads , a slavering wibbler bordering upon troll ,imo of course. seems to have developed a keen interest in this thread since his fellow low carbon traveler turned up.

[turbobloke]

durbster said:

You believe the 97% thing is not accurate. OK.

It's not quite OK. There's no need to BELIEVE, that's your turf.

The 97% thing is KNOWN to be inaccurate, aka spin, aka deception. Just like the 13000 peer reviewed or maybe not peer reviewed 'articles' chosen using a strawman argument from a cherry picked time interval (codswallop) agw spin can be examined and at that point, reality becomes apparent.

The bogus 97% arose when Cook considered published papers using a definition that mankind had caused most post-1950 warming. On this basis the true consensus among published scientific papers has been demonstrated to be only 0.3% not 97.1% as Cook had claimed. Only 41 out of the 11,944 published climate papers Cook examined explicitly concluded that mankind caused most of the warming since 1950. That's not 97%.

Another survey claiming the same 97% result is also wrong. The Doran survey result came from 10,256 questionnaires with only 3,146 respondents, those responses were then whittled down to 75 out of 77 “expert” ’active climate researchers’ (chosen by the survey people) to give another bogus 97% consensus figure.

grumbledoak said:

It is also worth noting that www.skepticalscience.com is nothing of the sort. Expect half the story, at most.

Out of interest, folks may like to guess (or remind others) which advocacy website with a misleading name was founded circa 2007 by Australian "cognitive scientist" Cook.

Anyway...as another attrition loop bites the dust, one more will be along soon.

[Ali G]

Possibly even more troublesome than a bunch of duffers on a motoring website:

Dr Tim Ball said:

The media reported the divide as a political difference, a product of the Cold war. In fact, the divide continues with Russia and China consistently offering different views and challenging more extreme claims in the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) Reports. Of course, as long as they are listed as “developing nations,” they always vote for a transfer of wealth as set out in the Kyoto Protocol and its replacement, the Green Climate Fund.

From:

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/11/25/is-climate-...

Note that this has not been provided for a discussion of the underlying science, more as support for differing opinions split on geopolitical lines.

[wc98]

zygalski said:

CarreraLightweightRacing said:

Zygalski I rarely post here and fall into neither category that appear offering such opposing views in this thread. I'd love to be convinced one way or the other but I find it difficult to navigate my way through the vast array of info on this subject, in any concise way. My main stumbling block in joining the 97%ers is this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHFfOOF-6Fs

I'd be very appreciative if you could watch this video and explain to me why I should then be convinced of the 97% view?

Please bear in mind, it is highly unlikely this White House Senate debate is conducted by people who hang out in the darker corners of the PH sub forums. I would genuinely like to hear your considered view on this video.

Hi.
An interesting series of articles about how Easterbrook cherry-picked and misrepresented the IPCC data to fit his agenda:
https://www.skepticalscience.com/don-easterbrook-h...

interesting how some people denigrate some of the links provided here by "deniers" yet are willing to get their information from people like the snivelling whiny snot nosed dana nuticelli ,himself in the pay of "big oil " at least at one point.both him and mr cook the cartoonist take belief to the absolute heights of fanaticism ,way beyond any position from anyone on the genuine sceptic side.

[turbobloke]

SkepticalScience is being offered as a source of pukka-credible evidence



What's cherry picked and the rest is IPCC information pollution.

[zygalski]

turbobloke said:

SkepticalScience is being offered as a source of pukka-credible evidence

As opposed to your climate expert who believes Moses parted the Red Sea....

[wc98]

turbobloke said:

durbster said:

You believe the 97% thing is not accurate. OK.

It's not quite OK. There's no need to BELIEVE, that's your turf.

The 97% thing is KNOWN to be inaccurate, aka spin, aka deception. Just like the 13000 peer reviewed or maybe not peer reviewed 'articles' chosen using a strawman argument from a cherry picked time interval (codswallop) agw spin can be examined and at that point, reality becomes apparent.

The bogus 97% arose when Cook considered published papers using a definition that mankind had caused most post-1950 warming. On this basis the true consensus among published scientific papers has been demonstrated to be only 0.3% not 97.1% as Cook had claimed. Only 41 out of the 11,944 published climate papers Cook examined explicitly concluded that mankind caused most of the warming since 1950. That's not 97%.

Another survey claiming the same 97% result is also wrong. The Doran survey result came from 10,256 questionnaires with only 3,146 respondents, those responses were then whittled down to 75 out of 77 “expert” ’active climate researchers’ (chosen by the survey people) to give another bogus 97% consensus figure.

grumbledoak said:

It is also worth noting that www.skepticalscience.com is nothing of the sort. Expect half the story, at most.

Out of interest, folks may like to guess (or remind others) which advocacy website with a misleading name was founded circa 2007 by Australian "cognitive scientist" Cook

i have said it before and i will say it again,you have the patience of a saint. understandable having to post the same information to someone quoting the 97% consensus for the first time, but i believe you have posted this refutation at least once in reply to durbs. yet we hear it is the "deniers" that have nothing new to offer.

for me when people ask the question i just tell them to ask where the tropospheric hotspot is. apparently they are still looking for it, forgetting it should have been present for at least the last twenty years. reality is a bh if you are a climate scientist.

[zygalski]

wc98 said:

i have said it before and i will say it again,you have the patience of a saint...

Aah, ain't this a sweet little love-in.
Maybe we should just leave you two to it.

[turbobloke]

zygalski said:

turbobloke said:

SkepticalScience is being offered as a source of pukka-credible evidence

As opposed to your bloke who believes Moses parted the Red Sea....

No climate scientist is 'my man' as I don't post appeals to authority, the person you speak of was the source of DATA (not belief) that I was asked to source...and did. Unlike the habits of your men e.g. Jones, Mann et al I will provide sources including data if I possibly can. Another of 'your men', Houghton ex-head of IPCC, reckons that emissions controls will save the planet from mankind's greed and indifference. Ho Ho Ho.

Godwin chinny reckoned your faith in SkepticalJunkscience exceeds Moses' in magnitude and suggested a reply in kind, examining individuals connected with a link.

Enjoy!

""I'm not a climatologist or a scientist but a self-employed cartoonist" - John Cook, Skeptical Science

http://www.populartechnology.net/2012/03/truth-abo...

[zygalski]

robinessex said:

Comments on this Ziggy and Durbster

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHFfOOF-6Fs

Never had a satisfactory answer (or an answer at all, really) as to why Trump's climate experts have passed this information to Pruitt and he has made his judgement:
https://youtu.be/UBybnYN8ki4?t=495
Pruitt said in his press conference, defending Trumps withdrawal from the Paris agreement:
'I indicated that in fact, global warming is occurring, that human activity contributes to it, in some manner'.

Now if Trump's climate guru had come out against AGW, you lot would have been all over that like a rash.
Seems like this is another inconvenient truth and perhaps Trump's team are another bunch our resident PH climate experts have added to the global conspiracy supporting the AGW hoax perpetrated upon us all?

[zygalski]

turbobloke said:

No climate scientist is 'my man' as I don't post appeals to authority, the person you speak of was the source of DATA (not belief) that I was asked to source...and did. Unlike the habits of your men e.g. Jones, Mann et al I will provide sources including data if I possibly can. Another of 'your men', Houghton ex-head of IPCC, reckons that emissions controls will save the planet from mankind's greed and indifference. Ho Ho Ho.

Godwin chinny reckoned your faith in SkepticalJunkscience exceeds Moses' in magnitude and suggested a reply in kind, examining individuals connected with a link.

Enjoy!

""I'm not a climatologist or a scientist but a self-employed cartoonist" - John Cook, Skeptical Science

http://www.populartechnology.net/2012/03/truth-abo...

So in your esteemed opinion all this lot are wrong, too:

Academia Chilena de Ciencias, Chile
Academia das Ciencias de Lisboa, Portugal
Academia de Ciencias de la República Dominicana
Academia de Ciencias Físicas, Matemáticas y Naturales de Venezuela
Academia de Ciencias Medicas, Fisicas y Naturales de Guatemala
Academia Mexicana de Ciencias,Mexico
Academia Nacional de Ciencias de Bolivia
Academia Nacional de Ciencias del Peru
Académie des Sciences et Techniques du Sénégal
Académie des Sciences, France
Academies of Arts, Humanities and Sciences of Canada
Academy of Athens
Academy of Science of Mozambique
Academy of Science of South Africa
Academy of Sciences for the Developing World (TWAS)
Academy of Sciences Malaysia
Academy of Sciences of Moldova
Academy of Sciences of the Czech Republic
Academy of Sciences of the Islamic Republic of Iran
Academy of Scientific Research and Technology, Egypt
Academy of the Royal Society of New Zealand
Accademia Nazionale dei Lincei, Italy
Africa Centre for Climate and Earth Systems Science
African Academy of Sciences
Albanian Academy of Sciences
Amazon Environmental Research Institute
American Academy of Pediatrics
American Anthropological Association
American Association for the Advancement of Science
American Association of State Climatologists (AASC)
American Association of Wildlife Veterinarians
American Astronomical Society
American Chemical Society
American College of Preventive Medicine
American Fisheries Society
American Geophysical Union
American Institute of Biological Sciences
American Institute of Physics
American Meteorological Society
American Physical Society
American Public Health Association
American Quaternary Association
American Society for Microbiology
American Society of Agronomy
American Society of Civil Engineers
American Society of Plant Biologists
American Statistical Association
Association of Ecosystem Research Centers
Australian Academy of Science
Australian Bureau of Meteorology
Australian Coral Reef Society
Australian Institute of Marine Science
Australian Institute of Physics
Australian Marine Sciences Association
Australian Medical Association
Australian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
Bangladesh Academy of Sciences
Botanical Society of America
Brazilian Academy of Sciences
British Antarctic Survey
Bulgarian Academy of Sciences
California Academy of Sciences
Cameroon Academy of Sciences
Canadian Association of Physicists
Canadian Foundation for Climate and Atmospheric Sciences
Canadian Geophysical Union
Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
Canadian Society of Soil Science
Canadian Society of Zoologists
Caribbean Academy of Sciences views
Center for International Forestry Research
Chinese Academy of Sciences
Colombian Academy of Exact, Physical and Natural Sciences
Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization (CSIRO) (Australia)
Consultative Group on International Agricultural Research
Croatian Academy of Arts and Sciences
Crop Science Society of America
Cuban Academy of Sciences
Delegation of the Finnish Academies of Science and Letters
Ecological Society of America
Ecological Society of Australia
Environmental Protection Agency
European Academy of Sciences and Arts
European Federation of Geologists
European Geosciences Union
European Physical Society
European Science Foundation
Federation of American Scientists
French Academy of Sciences
Geological Society of America
Geological Society of Australia
Geological Society of London
Georgian Academy of Sciences
German Academy of Natural Scientists Leopoldina
Ghana Academy of Arts and Sciences
Indian National Science Academy
Indonesian Academy of Sciences
Institute of Ecology and Environmental Management
Institute of Marine Engineering, Science and Technology
Institute of Professional Engineers New Zealand
Institution of Mechanical Engineers, UK
InterAcademy Council
International Alliance of Research Universities
International Arctic Science Committee
International Association for Great Lakes Research
International Council for Science
International Council of Academies of Engineering and Technological Sciences
International Research Institute for Climate and Society
International Union for Quaternary Research
International Union of Geodesy and Geophysics
International Union of Pure and Applied Physics
Islamic World Academy of Sciences
Israel Academy of Sciences and Humanities
Kenya National Academy of Sciences
Korean Academy of Science and Technology
Kosovo Academy of Sciences and Arts
l'Académie des Sciences et Techniques du Sénégal
Latin American Academy of Sciences
Latvian Academy of Sciences
Lithuanian Academy of Sciences
Madagascar National Academy of Arts, Letters, and Sciences
Mauritius Academy of Science and Technology
Montenegrin Academy of Sciences and Arts
National Academy of Exact, Physical and Natural Sciences, Argentina
National Academy of Sciences of Armenia
National Academy of Sciences of the Kyrgyz Republic
National Academy of Sciences, Sri Lanka
National Academy of Sciences, United States of America
National Aeronautics and Space Administration
National Association of Geoscience Teachers
National Association of State Foresters
National Center for Atmospheric Research
National Council of Engineers Australia
National Institute of Water & Atmospheric Research, New Zealand
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration
National Research Council
National Science Foundation
Natural England
Natural Environment Research Council, UK
Natural Science Collections Alliance
Network of African Science Academies
New York Academy of Sciences
Nicaraguan Academy of Sciences
Nigerian Academy of Sciences
Norwegian Academy of Sciences and Letters
Oklahoma Climatological Survey
Organization of Biological Field Stations
Pakistan Academy of Sciences
Palestine Academy for Science and Technology
Pew Center on Global Climate Change
Polish Academy of Sciences
Romanian Academy
Royal Academies for Science and the Arts of Belgium
Royal Academy of Exact, Physical and Natural Sciences of Spain
Royal Astronomical Society, UK
Royal Danish Academy of Sciences and Letters
Royal Irish Academy
Royal Meteorological Society (UK)
Royal Netherlands Academy of Arts and Sciences
Royal Netherlands Institute for Sea Research
Royal Scientific Society of Jordan
Royal Society of Canada
Royal Society of Chemistry, UK
Royal Society of the United Kingdom
Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences
Russian Academy of Sciences
Science and Technology, Australia
Science Council of Japan
Scientific Committee on Antarctic Research
Scientific Committee on Solar-Terrestrial Physics
Scripps Institution of Oceanography
Serbian Academy of Sciences and Arts
Slovak Academy of Sciences
Slovenian Academy of Sciences and Arts
Society for Ecological Restoration International
Society for Industrial and Applied Mathematics
Society of American Foresters
Society of Biology (UK)
Society of Systematic Biologists
Soil Science Society of America
Sudan Academy of Sciences
Sudanese National Academy of Science
Tanzania Academy of Sciences
The Wildlife Society (international)
Turkish Academy of Sciences
Uganda National Academy of Sciences
Union of German Academies of Sciences and Humanities
United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
University Corporation for Atmospheric Research
Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution
Woods Hole Research Center
World Association of Zoos and Aquariums
World Federation of Public Health Associations
World Forestry Congress
World Health Organization
World Meteorological Organization
Zambia Academy of Sciences
Zimbabwe Academy of Sciences

[robinessex]

zygalski said:

robinessex said:

Comments on this Ziggy and Durbster

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHFfOOF-6Fs

Never had a satisfactory answer (or an answer at all, really) as to why Trump's climate experts have passed this information to Pruitt and he has made his judgement:
https://youtu.be/UBybnYN8ki4?t=495
Pruitt said in his press conference, defending Trumps withdrawal from the Paris agreement:
'I indicated that in fact, global warming is occurring, that human activity contributes to it, in some manner'.

Now if Trump's climate guru had come out against AGW, you lot would have been all over that like a rash.
Seems like this is another inconvenient truth and perhaps Trump's team are another bunch our resident PH climate experts have added to the global conspiracy supporting the AGW hoax perpetrated upon us all?

How about answering the question, and not doing the typical Politicians response to a question he can't answer, change the subject. Now back to the question I asked.

[zygalski]

robinessex said:

How about answering the question, and not doing the typical Politicians response to a question he can't answer, change the subject. Now back to the question I asked.

Think you'll find I asked my question first, about 5 months ago.
What incentive is there for Trump to pull out of the Paris agreement, but at the same time accept that AGW is a fact?
Answers please...

[robinessex]

zygalski said:

robinessex said:

How about answering the question, and not doing the typical Politicians response to a question he can't answer, change the subject. Now back to the question I asked.

Think you'll find I asked my question first, about 5 months ago.
What incentive is there for Trump to pull out of the Paris agreement, but at the same time accept that AGW is a fact?
Answers please...

You've swerved again! Watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHFfOOF-6Fs and post your comments for all to see here. Simple task. Get on with it.

[turbobloke]

zygalski said:

turbobloke said:

No climate scientist is 'my man' as I don't post appeals to authority, the person you speak of was the source of DATA (not belief) that I was asked to source...and did. Unlike the habits of your men e.g. Jones, Mann et al I will provide sources including data if I possibly can. Another of 'your men', Houghton ex-head of IPCC, reckons that emissions controls will save the planet from mankind's greed and indifference. Ho Ho Ho.

Godwin chinny reckoned your faith in SkepticalJunkscience exceeds Moses' in magnitude and suggested a reply in kind, examining individuals connected with a link.

Enjoy!

""I'm not a climatologist or a scientist but a self-employed cartoonist" - John Cook, Skeptical Science

http://www.populartechnology.net/2012/03/truth-abo...

So in your esteemed opinion all this lot are wrong, too:

Academia Chilena de Ciencias, Chile
Academia das Ciencias de Lisboa, Portugal
Academia de Ciencias de la República Dominicana
Academia de Ciencias Físicas, Matemáticas y Naturales de Venezuela
Academia de Ciencias Medicas, Fisicas y Naturales de Guatemala
Academia Mexicana de Ciencias,Mexico
Academia Nacional de Ciencias de Bolivia
Academia Nacional de Ciencias del Peru
Académie des Sciences et Techniques du Sénégal
Académie des Sciences, France
Academies of Arts, Humanities and Sciences of Canada
Academy of Athens
Academy of Science of Mozambique
Academy of Science of South Africa
Academy of Sciences for the Developing World (TWAS)
Academy of Sciences Malaysia
Academy of Sciences of Moldova
Academy of Sciences of the Czech Republic
Academy of Sciences of the Islamic Republic of Iran
Academy of Scientific Research and Technology, Egypt
Academy of the Royal Society of New Zealand
Accademia Nazionale dei Lincei, Italy
Africa Centre for Climate and Earth Systems Science
African Academy of Sciences
Albanian Academy of Sciences
Amazon Environmental Research Institute
American Academy of Pediatrics
American Anthropological Association
American Association for the Advancement of Science
American Association of State Climatologists (AASC)
American Association of Wildlife Veterinarians
American Astronomical Society
American Chemical Society
American College of Preventive Medicine
American Fisheries Society
American Geophysical Union
American Institute of Biological Sciences
American Institute of Physics
American Meteorological Society
American Physical Society
American Public Health Association
American Quaternary Association
American Society for Microbiology
American Society of Agronomy
American Society of Civil Engineers
American Society of Plant Biologists
American Statistical Association
Association of Ecosystem Research Centers
Australian Academy of Science
Australian Bureau of Meteorology
Australian Coral Reef Society
Australian Institute of Marine Science
Australian Institute of Physics
Australian Marine Sciences Association
Australian Medical Association
Australian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
Bangladesh Academy of Sciences
Botanical Society of America
Brazilian Academy of Sciences
British Antarctic Survey
Bulgarian Academy of Sciences
California Academy of Sciences
Cameroon Academy of Sciences
Canadian Association of Physicists
Canadian Foundation for Climate and Atmospheric Sciences
Canadian Geophysical Union
Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
Canadian Society of Soil Science
Canadian Society of Zoologists
Caribbean Academy of Sciences views
Center for International Forestry Research
Chinese Academy of Sciences
Colombian Academy of Exact, Physical and Natural Sciences
Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization (CSIRO) (Australia)
Consultative Group on International Agricultural Research
Croatian Academy of Arts and Sciences
Crop Science Society of America
Cuban Academy of Sciences
Delegation of the Finnish Academies of Science and Letters
Ecological Society of America
Ecological Society of Australia
Environmental Protection Agency
European Academy of Sciences and Arts
European Federation of Geologists
European Geosciences Union
European Physical Society
European Science Foundation
Federation of American Scientists
French Academy of Sciences
Geological Society of America
Geological Society of Australia
Geological Society of London
Georgian Academy of Sciences
German Academy of Natural Scientists Leopoldina
Ghana Academy of Arts and Sciences
Indian National Science Academy
Indonesian Academy of Sciences
Institute of Ecology and Environmental Management
Institute of Marine Engineering, Science and Technology
Institute of Professional Engineers New Zealand
Institution of Mechanical Engineers, UK
InterAcademy Council
International Alliance of Research Universities
International Arctic Science Committee
International Association for Great Lakes Research
International Council for Science
International Council of Academies of Engineering and Technological Sciences
International Research Institute for Climate and Society
International Union for Quaternary Research
International Union of Geodesy and Geophysics
International Union of Pure and Applied Physics
Islamic World Academy of Sciences
Israel Academy of Sciences and Humanities
Kenya National Academy of Sciences
Korean Academy of Science and Technology
Kosovo Academy of Sciences and Arts
l'Académie des Sciences et Techniques du Sénégal
Latin American Academy of Sciences
Latvian Academy of Sciences
Lithuanian Academy of Sciences
Madagascar National Academy of Arts, Letters, and Sciences
Mauritius Academy of Science and Technology
Montenegrin Academy of Sciences and Arts
National Academy of Exact, Physical and Natural Sciences, Argentina
National Academy of Sciences of Armenia
National Academy of Sciences of the Kyrgyz Republic
National Academy of Sciences, Sri Lanka
National Academy of Sciences, United States of America
National Aeronautics and Space Administration
National Association of Geoscience Teachers
National Association of State Foresters
National Center for Atmospheric Research
National Council of Engineers Australia
National Institute of Water & Atmospheric Research, New Zealand
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration
National Research Council
National Science Foundation
Natural England
Natural Environment Research Council, UK
Natural Science Collections Alliance
Network of African Science Academies
New York Academy of Sciences
Nicaraguan Academy of Sciences
Nigerian Academy of Sciences
Norwegian Academy of Sciences and Letters
Oklahoma Climatological Survey
Organization of Biological Field Stations
Pakistan Academy of Sciences
Palestine Academy for Science and Technology
Pew Center on Global Climate Change
Polish Academy of Sciences
Romanian Academy
Royal Academies for Science and the Arts of Belgium
Royal Academy of Exact, Physical and Natural Sciences of Spain
Royal Astronomical Society, UK
Royal Danish Academy of Sciences and Letters
Royal Irish Academy
Royal Meteorological Society (UK)
Royal Netherlands Academy of Arts and Sciences
Royal Netherlands Institute for Sea Research
Royal Scientific Society of Jordan
Royal Society of Canada
Royal Society of Chemistry, UK
Royal Society of the United Kingdom
Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences
Russian Academy of Sciences
Science and Technology, Australia
Science Council of Japan
Scientific Committee on Antarctic Research
Scientific Committee on Solar-Terrestrial Physics
Scripps Institution of Oceanography
Serbian Academy of Sciences and Arts
Slovak Academy of Sciences
Slovenian Academy of Sciences and Arts
Society for Ecological Restoration International
Society for Industrial and Applied Mathematics
Society of American Foresters
Society of Biology (UK)
Society of Systematic Biologists
Soil Science Society of America
Sudan Academy of Sciences
Sudanese National Academy of Science
Tanzania Academy of Sciences
The Wildlife Society (international)
Turkish Academy of Sciences
Uganda National Academy of Sciences
Union of German Academies of Sciences and Humanities
United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
University Corporation for Atmospheric Research
Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution
Woods Hole Research Center
World Association of Zoos and Aquariums
World Federation of Public Health Associations
World Forestry Congress
World Health Organization
World Meteorological Organization
Zambia Academy of Sciences
Zimbabwe Academy of Sciences

Not sure about the Zimbabwe lot, maybe they're more democratic than the rest, but the fact is that activists who elbow their way onto committees and then claim to speak for entire bodies do not do so. As evidenced by an IPCC Lead Author, there have been strong disagreements in IPCC meetings with people stomping out of rooms when their pet theory is questioned.

Funding considerations in terms of grant largesse and financial viability may also have a role to play. In the UK, according to a ministerial reply in Hansard, there is no public funding available for research aiming to refute agw, in contrast to the largesse available for agw disciples to get more pal-reviews on the go.

The fact also remains that it's your opinion that opinions matter, that appeals to non-consensus bunk (as above) matter, that appeals to authority bunk (as above) matter. And above all, your opinion - namely that it's (only) my esteemed opinion - is bunk as well. It's not my opinion, it's what the data is saying and what many scientists are aware of.

[LongQ]

zygalski said:

So in your esteemed opinion all this lot are wrong, too:

Academia Chilena de Ciencias, Chile
Academia das Ciencias de Lisboa, Portugal
Academia de Ciencias de la República Dominicana
Academia de Ciencias Físicas, Matemáticas y Naturales de Venezuela
Academia de Ciencias Medicas, Fisicas y Naturales de Guatemala
Academia Mexicana de Ciencias,Mexico
Academia Nacional de Ciencias de Bolivia
Academia Nacional de Ciencias del Peru
Académie des Sciences et Techniques du Sénégal
Académie des Sciences, France
Academies of Arts, Humanities and Sciences of Canada
Academy of Athens
Academy of Science of Mozambique
Academy of Science of South Africa
Academy of Sciences for the Developing World (TWAS)
Academy of Sciences Malaysia
Academy of Sciences of Moldova
Academy of Sciences of the Czech Republic
Academy of Sciences of the Islamic Republic of Iran
Academy of Scientific Research and Technology, Egypt
Academy of the Royal Society of New Zealand
Accademia Nazionale dei Lincei, Italy
Africa Centre for Climate and Earth Systems Science
African Academy of Sciences
Albanian Academy of Sciences
Amazon Environmental Research Institute
American Academy of Pediatrics
American Anthropological Association
American Association for the Advancement of Science
American Association of State Climatologists (AASC)
American Association of Wildlife Veterinarians
American Astronomical Society
American Chemical Society
American College of Preventive Medicine
American Fisheries Society
American Geophysical Union
American Institute of Biological Sciences
American Institute of Physics
American Meteorological Society
American Physical Society
American Public Health Association
American Quaternary Association
American Society for Microbiology
American Society of Agronomy
American Society of Civil Engineers
American Society of Plant Biologists
American Statistical Association
Association of Ecosystem Research Centers
Australian Academy of Science
Australian Bureau of Meteorology
Australian Coral Reef Society
Australian Institute of Marine Science
Australian Institute of Physics
Australian Marine Sciences Association
Australian Medical Association
Australian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
Bangladesh Academy of Sciences
Botanical Society of America
Brazilian Academy of Sciences
British Antarctic Survey
Bulgarian Academy of Sciences
California Academy of Sciences
Cameroon Academy of Sciences
Canadian Association of Physicists
Canadian Foundation for Climate and Atmospheric Sciences
Canadian Geophysical Union
Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
Canadian Society of Soil Science
Canadian Society of Zoologists
Caribbean Academy of Sciences views
Center for International Forestry Research
Chinese Academy of Sciences
Colombian Academy of Exact, Physical and Natural Sciences
Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization (CSIRO) (Australia)
Consultative Group on International Agricultural Research
Croatian Academy of Arts and Sciences
Crop Science Society of America
Cuban Academy of Sciences
Delegation of the Finnish Academies of Science and Letters
Ecological Society of America
Ecological Society of Australia
Environmental Protection Agency
European Academy of Sciences and Arts
European Federation of Geologists
European Geosciences Union
European Physical Society
European Science Foundation
Federation of American Scientists
French Academy of Sciences
Geological Society of America
Geological Society of Australia
Geological Society of London
Georgian Academy of Sciences
German Academy of Natural Scientists Leopoldina
Ghana Academy of Arts and Sciences
Indian National Science Academy
Indonesian Academy of Sciences
Institute of Ecology and Environmental Management
Institute of Marine Engineering, Science and Technology
Institute of Professional Engineers New Zealand
Institution of Mechanical Engineers, UK
InterAcademy Council
International Alliance of Research Universities
International Arctic Science Committee
International Association for Great Lakes Research
International Council for Science
International Council of Academies of Engineering and Technological Sciences
International Research Institute for Climate and Society
International Union for Quaternary Research
International Union of Geodesy and Geophysics
International Union of Pure and Applied Physics
Islamic World Academy of Sciences
Israel Academy of Sciences and Humanities
Kenya National Academy of Sciences
Korean Academy of Science and Technology
Kosovo Academy of Sciences and Arts
l'Académie des Sciences et Techniques du Sénégal
Latin American Academy of Sciences
Latvian Academy of Sciences
Lithuanian Academy of Sciences
Madagascar National Academy of Arts, Letters, and Sciences
Mauritius Academy of Science and Technology
Montenegrin Academy of Sciences and Arts
National Academy of Exact, Physical and Natural Sciences, Argentina
National Academy of Sciences of Armenia
National Academy of Sciences of the Kyrgyz Republic
National Academy of Sciences, Sri Lanka
National Academy of Sciences, United States of America
National Aeronautics and Space Administration
National Association of Geoscience Teachers
National Association of State Foresters
National Center for Atmospheric Research
National Council of Engineers Australia
National Institute of Water & Atmospheric Research, New Zealand
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration
National Research Council
National Science Foundation
Natural England
Natural Environment Research Council, UK
Natural Science Collections Alliance
Network of African Science Academies
New York Academy of Sciences
Nicaraguan Academy of Sciences
Nigerian Academy of Sciences
Norwegian Academy of Sciences and Letters
Oklahoma Climatological Survey
Organization of Biological Field Stations
Pakistan Academy of Sciences
Palestine Academy for Science and Technology
Pew Center on Global Climate Change
Polish Academy of Sciences
Romanian Academy
Royal Academies for Science and the Arts of Belgium
Royal Academy of Exact, Physical and Natural Sciences of Spain
Royal Astronomical Society, UK
Royal Danish Academy of Sciences and Letters
Royal Irish Academy
Royal Meteorological Society (UK)
Royal Netherlands Academy of Arts and Sciences
Royal Netherlands Institute for Sea Research
Royal Scientific Society of Jordan
Royal Society of Canada
Royal Society of Chemistry, UK
Royal Society of the United Kingdom
Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences
Russian Academy of Sciences
Science and Technology, Australia
Science Council of Japan
Scientific Committee on Antarctic Research
Scientific Committee on Solar-Terrestrial Physics
Scripps Institution of Oceanography
Serbian Academy of Sciences and Arts
Slovak Academy of Sciences
Slovenian Academy of Sciences and Arts
Society for Ecological Restoration International
Society for Industrial and Applied Mathematics
Society of American Foresters
Society of Biology (UK)
Society of Systematic Biologists
Soil Science Society of America
Sudan Academy of Sciences
Sudanese National Academy of Science
Tanzania Academy of Sciences
The Wildlife Society (international)
Turkish Academy of Sciences
Uganda National Academy of Sciences
Union of German Academies of Sciences and Humanities
United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
University Corporation for Atmospheric Research
Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution
Woods Hole Research Center
World Association of Zoos and Aquariums
World Federation of Public Health Associations
World Forestry Congress
World Health Organization
World Meteorological Organization
Zambia Academy of Sciences
Zimbabwe Academy of Sciences

Have you verified that your list, from wherever it was sourced, is genuine?

Have you validated that all of those organisations exist and are valid non-political scientific research bodies?

Have you researched and verified the areas of expertise of the people involved?

Have you assessed any papers on the subject of Climate Change that the members of the bodies have published?

Have you done any due diligence to ensure to your satisfaction that these organisations are not just political in nature?

What is your expert analysis of their statement positions? Comments about political action recommended would be especially welcome on this thread.

Edited by LongQ on Sunday 26th November 11:59

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robinessex said:

zygalski said:

robinessex said:

How about answering the question, and not doing the typical Politicians response to a question he can't answer, change the subject. Now back to the question I asked.

Think you'll find I asked my question first, about 5 months ago.
What incentive is there for Trump to pull out of the Paris agreement, but at the same time accept that AGW is a fact?
Answers please...

You've swerved again! Watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHFfOOF-6Fs and post your comments for all to see here. Simple task. Get on with it.

We must wait while agw advocacy sites are consulted to find the party line.



The irony is strong yet again with that trite carping 'answered 5 months ago' ffs that's nothing. I've answered every element of any and all believer attrition loop nonsense starting 15 years ago but believers loop on and on and on. And on.

Believers however cannot answer the most fundamental of points that destroy agw: absence of an anthropogenic forcing visible in TOA radiative imbalance, absence of a visible causal human signal in global climate (temperature) data even diddled data. Not one of those pointlessly copied and pasted organisations can point to either of these, they don't exist.

What believers are left with is believing in invisible entities. Awesome!

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LongQ said:

Have you verified that your list, form wherever it was sourced, is genuine?

Have you validated that all of those organisations exist and are valid non-political scientific research bodies?

Have you researched and verified the areas of expertise of the people involved?

Have you assessed any papers on the subject of Climate Change that the members of the bodies have published?

Have you done any due diligence to ensure to your satisfaction that these organisations are not just political in nature?

What is your expert analysis of their statement positions? Comments about political action recommended would be especially welcome on this thread.

Don't be silly! What practice what he preaches? Copy and paste from a blog? No way......................

http://www.sciencebadger.com/man-made-climate-chan...

Link just happens to be the top Google so maybe he was researching Conspiracy Theories