The U.S.A. Mass Shootings Thread

[Caddyshack]

Bullett said:

How do the people who keep a gun in a bedside table expect that to go? If I wake up in the night it takes me a few seconds to realise what's happening another few seconds to find my glasses/phone/light/gun etc.
You wake up and have an armed invader standing over sleepyhead you and they are probably wired, it's not going to go well in most cases.
Or it's one of the kids.

Just feeling like there are more ways for it to go wrong than right.

If they are leaning over your bed you are probably stuffed. But, if you hear a noise downstairs then you probably have the time to sort yourself out. In USA they have courses for weapon handling but I doubt many people do them. I have a mate out there and he is very well trained and practices a lot, I wouldn’t like my chances breaking in there.

[unrepentant]

captain_cynic said:

I suspect he got it from the same place where he gets all his info... His arse.

[alabbasi]

HM-2 said:

I'm going to stop you here, because nothing you've posted is remotely relevant to the point I was making. You were the one suggesting that home invasions in the US didn't exist because you didn't personally know of anyone who'd experienced one in your gated communities.

You're not going to stop me from anything because I'm fully aware of where I live now and where I lived before. I can speak from experience on both. As I and others have indicated before, there are high crime areas, related to gang violence and destitution that don't affect where me because that's not where I choose to live and I'm perfectly fine with that Some people do choose to live in those, and get in on poorer neighborhoods that are conveniently located on on the cheap, When they move, the tax values go up and the police move in with them and push the criminal element out. That's called gentrification.

The problem with you and people like you on this thread is that you make too many assumptions. Because I believe that people should have the right to defend themselves and feel safe in their surroundings, you've already decided on where I live and how I vote and you've done that because you don't know anything. You just have a self righteous view which everyone in this country is tired of hearing. Nobody is telling you not to be a victim, you can stay where you are and live how you live. If people in this country want to give up their rights, they can vote that way but it won't happen for a reason and that's because they're smarter than you.

captain_cynic said:

I suspect he got it from the same place where he gets all his info... His arse.

If it doesn't fit your narrative, it must be

Edited by alabbasi on Monday 9th January 20:02

Edited by alabbasi on Monday 9th January 20:03

[HM-2]

alabbasi said:

I can speak from experience on both.

Perhaps you should "speak to" how any of this post, or the previous one, are relevant to anything I've said? That'd be swell.

alabbasi said:

As I and others have indicated before, there are high crime areas, related to gang violence and destitution that don't affect where me because that's not where I choose to live and I'm perfectly fine with that

Yes. And? What's your point here? How does this relate to anything I've said?

alabbasi said:

Some people do choose to live in those

Does everyone who lives in high crime areas "choose" to? I don't think they do.

alabbasi said:

The problem with you and people like you on this thread is that you make too many assumptions.

I'm responding to what you say. Other than my comment about living in gated communities, which is clearly sardonic (though quite possibly true), what other "assumptions" have I made? Your inability to understand your own words isn't my problem.

alabbasi said:

Because I believe that people should have the right to defend themselves and feel safe in their surroundings

Where have I said people shouldn't?

alabbasi said:

you've already decided on where I live and how I vote and you've done that because you don't know anything

Actually I've decided these things on the basis of your own words, and your ridiculous game of false equivalence, handwringing whataboutism, and mental gymnastics. Plus the fact you can't even get the basic facts of anything you post right.

alabbasi said:

You just have a self righteous view

Apparently quoting statistics is "self righteous" now? Are you sure you haven't confused me with someone else?

alabbasi said:

Nobody is telling you not to be a victim, you can stay where you are and live how you live.

I have absolutely no idea what you're on about, and strongly believe that nor do you.

[jimmyjimjim]

unrepentant said:

I have also twice, accidently, left my garage doors open all night on 2 occasions. Power tools, Aston Martin, bikes etc.. all on display. Nobody touched anything. Having said that I live in a fairly crime free area and I'm sure if I was in downtown Indy my garage would have been empty in the morning.

You can buy control panels that automatically close the door after a period of time. I had mine connected to the wifi so if I was away from home I could check it was closed, and close it. In the end, I pulled the internet part as unused and just have the garage door automatically close after 10 minutes.

Peace of mind.

Liftmaster 888LM.

[off_again]

jimmyjimjim said:

unrepentant said:

I have also twice, accidently, left my garage doors open all night on 2 occasions. Power tools, Aston Martin, bikes etc.. all on display. Nobody touched anything. Having said that I live in a fairly crime free area and I'm sure if I was in downtown Indy my garage would have been empty in the morning.

You can buy control panels that automatically close the door after a period of time. I had mine connected to the wifi so if I was away from home I could check it was closed, and close it. In the end, I pulled the internet part as unused and just have the garage door automatically close after 10 minutes.

Peace of mind.

Liftmaster 888LM.

Yeah, the MyQ stuff is good. Link up to IFTTT and do the geo-fencing stuff. There are others though and a little bit of effort and its all good. Mine is set to tell me if the door is open and I am away from home.

[unrepentant]

jimmyjimjim said:

unrepentant said:

I have also twice, accidently, left my garage doors open all night on 2 occasions. Power tools, Aston Martin, bikes etc.. all on display. Nobody touched anything. Having said that I live in a fairly crime free area and I'm sure if I was in downtown Indy my garage would have been empty in the morning.

You can buy control panels that automatically close the door after a period of time. I had mine connected to the wifi so if I was away from home I could check it was closed, and close it. In the end, I pulled the internet part as unused and just have the garage door automatically close after 10 minutes.

Peace of mind.

Liftmaster 888LM.

What happens if I'm cutting the lawn?

[off_again]

unrepentant said:

jimmyjimjim said:

unrepentant said:

I have also twice, accidently, left my garage doors open all night on 2 occasions. Power tools, Aston Martin, bikes etc.. all on display. Nobody touched anything. Having said that I live in a fairly crime free area and I'm sure if I was in downtown Indy my garage would have been empty in the morning.

You can buy control panels that automatically close the door after a period of time. I had mine connected to the wifi so if I was away from home I could check it was closed, and close it. In the end, I pulled the internet part as unused and just have the garage door automatically close after 10 minutes.

Peace of mind.

Liftmaster 888LM.

What happens if I'm cutting the lawn?

How to say that you have a massive garden without saying you have a massive garden...



Geofencing is usually accurate for around 200 meters.

[bigandclever]

alabbasi said:

HM-2 said:

captain_cynic said:

I suspect he got it from the same place where he gets all his info... His arse.

If it doesn't fit your narrative, it must be

Edited by alabbasi on Monday 9th January 20:02

Edited by alabbasi on Monday 9th January 20:03

Eventually we'll find out what happened. But I can read the same articles and think that the man arrested and charged is 44, so is hardly a 'young boy'.

Edited by bigandclever on Monday 9th January 22:09

[unrepentant]

off_again said:

unrepentant said:

jimmyjimjim said:

unrepentant said:

I have also twice, accidently, left my garage doors open all night on 2 occasions. Power tools, Aston Martin, bikes etc.. all on display. Nobody touched anything. Having said that I live in a fairly crime free area and I'm sure if I was in downtown Indy my garage would have been empty in the morning.

You can buy control panels that automatically close the door after a period of time. I had mine connected to the wifi so if I was away from home I could check it was closed, and close it. In the end, I pulled the internet part as unused and just have the garage door automatically close after 10 minutes.

Peace of mind.

Liftmaster 888LM.

What happens if I'm cutting the lawn?

How to say that you have a massive garden without saying you have a massive garden...



Geofencing is usually accurate for around 200 meters.

No, I don't but it takes longer than 10 minutes to cut it! What if I'm happily mowing away and the garage doors all close and lock me out?

[captain_cynic]

alabbasi said:

captain_cynic said:

I suspect he got it from the same place where he gets all his info... His arse.

If it doesn't fit your narrative, it must be

Edited by alabbasi on Monday 9th January 20:02

Edited by alabbasi on Monday 9th January 20:03

Do you know the difference between a news article and a statistic.

You have a sample size of one.

I notice you didn't link the article so we can see how old it was.... Here's 3 people murdered and another 2 injured in Dallas.

https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/3-killed-2-injur...

Tell me again how dangerous London is.

In the totality of the England and Wales, there were 679 murders in the UK in 2022... Texas does that every 4 months.

[off_again]

unrepentant said:

No, I don't but it takes longer than 10 minutes to cut it! What if I'm happily mowing away and the garage doors all close and lock me out?

Ah, ok - I was only joking. Sorry.

Some garage door systems include the geo-fence capability as standard, but I have the MyQ system from Chamberlin who make pretty much every major brand in the US so it was easy. MyQ is pretty good, but I had to use IFTTT to enable the geo-fence stuff. If I am away from my home for more than 15 minutes, it will close the door. I did set it to have some extra stuff in there, such as the there was movement inside the house (someone was in), but that didnt work well enough and the alarm system I have doesnt play nicely with IFTTT.

I set the geofence region to be quite large, just in case. So I need to be as far as 1/2 mile away. If I am and the garage door is open, it will close it. I have it also set to open again as I arrive back, but disabled that one because of the rain was getting in the garage. But it worked OK.

To be honest, I tend to turn it off though. The more useful one for me was using the August door locks. I have that set to auto-lock after 5 minutes on the front door and have a routine set to lock the other doors. My kids had a nasty habit of leaving the house unlocked, so had to fix that. I am no way near as automated as I would like, just dont have enough time.

[alabbasi]

captain_cynic said:

Do you know the difference between a news article and a statistic.

I know what a pivot is. You suggested that I made something up and I showed you where you were incorrect.
What statistic determines whether this man was set upon by an individual or group? That's your narrative.

[HM-2]

alabbasi said:

You suggested that I made something up and I showed you where you were incorrect.

Actually, what you showed was your truly incredible ability to cherry pick information of the absolute poorest kind, that doesn't even support your argument, whilst ignoring the vast body of available information that contradicts your assertion. Because you live in a fantasy world.

"Some random bloke claims to have seen murder victim X surrounded by young boys at some point" does not support your assertion.

Edited by HM-2 on Monday 9th January 22:47

[captain_cynic]

alabbasi said:

captain_cynic said:

Do you know the difference between a news article and a statistic.

I know what a pivot is. You suggested that I made something up and I showed you where you were incorrect.
What statistic determines whether this man was set upon by an individual or group? That's your narrative.

So you don't know the difference.

Also you've made up a lot of stuff on this thread. I don't have a narrative... I use facts and they don't match your bks.

[alabbasi]

captain_cynic said:

So you don't know the difference.

Also you've made up a lot of stuff on this thread. I don't have a narrative... I use facts and they don't match your bks.

Well you suggested I made some information up which was clearly reported so that makes you a liar. You don't have any credibility and if you don't like the way things are done here, you can always vote to change the way things are unless you're not a citizen. In which case, everything you say is irrelevant

[HM-2]

alabbasi said:

In which case, everything you say is irrelevant

Ah, the classic "if you aren't one of us then you can't have an opinion" retort. Conclusive proof you've inarguably and unquestionably lost the argument.

[alabbasi]

HM-2 said:

Ah, the classic "if you aren't one of us then you can't have an opinion" retort. Conclusive proof you've inarguably and unquestionably lost the argument.

If you're arguing with someone that that doesn't have a stake in the outcome, you might as well be wrestling with a pig.
You don't live here, you don't have a stake, you just talk about living here like you know everything about it. What makes you think I'm arguing? I'm just telling you the way things are and you happen to disagree even though you don't live here.

[off_again]

AW111 said:

Bullett said:

How do the people who keep a gun in a bedside table expect that to go? If I wake up in the night it takes me a few seconds to realise what's happening another few seconds to find my glasses/phone/light/gun etc.
You wake up and have an armed invader standing over sleepyhead you and they are probably wired, it's not going to go well in most cases.
Or it's one of the kids.

Just feeling like there are more ways for it to go wrong than right.

Statistics are pretty clear - having a gun in the home significantly raises the risk of someone in the household being shot.

Absolutely, and it might not be the one you wanted to get shot!

The fear is that someone will enter the home and shoot you, so you need access to a firearm instantly. However, it just doesnt work that way. As you say, what about the time it takes to open your eyes and see correctly, get the weapon and correctly disengage the safety etc? And thats before you have successfully assessed the situation and made a tactical choice! You may decide that the home invaders have superior firepower and a retreat is the best course of action.... who knows. But to think that we are all trained to Seal / Ranger standards is bizarre. At best we have average reactions and the vast majority of people simply dont have anywhere near the training to correctly assess a situation. It just leads to mistakes and errors, which can be deadly.

If home invasion is really a concern, get one of those connected home alarms. Set the trigger to call local law enforcement to be low and should someone break in, its going to call 911 instantly. The invaders have typically 5-10 minutes before help arrives, and your best course of action is probably to retreat and hide. Of course, that doesnt work for a family etc, but there are other things you can do. Of course, you could just move to a safer neighborhood and not drop hundreds on some sort of firearm.... but hey, what do I know?

Like I said, the fear is pushed. Whether its deliberate or not, its pushed here pretty hard. Thankfully the frequency of this type of crime is low.

[Mortarboard]

Set your home automation to play the sound of a shotgun being loaded 30 seconds after the door opening is detected, job done.

There isn't a scumbag alive who won't recognize the sound.

M.

Edited by Mortarboard on Monday 9th January 23:32