Snap General Election?
Discussion
sidicks said:
BigMon said:
Isn't the salient point here that, given the open goal that Corbyn and his bunch of muppets present, May and the Tories should be just running forward and slotting the ball into the net.
So far she's bent down, fumbled with her laces, taken a miskick and currently appears to be jogging towards the corner flag while a baying crowd are bellowing at her to just score for flocks sake.
I cannot imagine a scenario where Labour get into power, but the Tories are making a massive pigs ear out of what should be a really simple task.
That's reasonably fair, I think.So far she's bent down, fumbled with her laces, taken a miskick and currently appears to be jogging towards the corner flag while a baying crowd are bellowing at her to just score for flocks sake.
I cannot imagine a scenario where Labour get into power, but the Tories are making a massive pigs ear out of what should be a really simple task.
sidicks said:
LDN said:
I got the joke; then thought; 'no, it's so poor; surely he must mean something else..'
Sorry to disappoint old chap.
Evidence suggests otherwise.Sorry to disappoint old chap.
On topic...
May has ballsed up - and when she keeps boasting about being the right person to lead Brexit negotiations; I just think 'no, no you're not'. I had already thought that; but this last 24 hours has confirmed it without any shadow of a doubt.
LDN said:
May has ballsed up - and when she keeps boasting about being the right person to lead Brexit negotiations; I just think 'no, no you're not'. I had already thought that; but this last 24 hours has confirmed it without any shadow of a doubt.
That's your view, but it would be a very strange view to suggest that the only realistic alternative is more credible.Carl_Manchester said:
The only thing that got skewered today was Jeremy Hunt.
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She was horrendous on with Neil earlier. And I am, or at least was, dead on for voting their way and prepared to cut some slack (as I think Neil actually did!). Badly prepared and ill thought through policy, exposed fully by Neil....
Carl_Manchester said:
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Somehow it is fairer that instead of their kids paying, I pay instead. Well bravo on that one Labour, that is a real vote winner. While you are at it, why don't you make me pay for their kids University tuition so they can attend a 'Media Studies' degree as well.
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In principle the policy itself is fine. But half the job (at least) with selling a policy (a "deal" if you will) is how you package and stand by it. May has been incredibly poor at this.Somehow it is fairer that instead of their kids paying, I pay instead. Well bravo on that one Labour, that is a real vote winner. While you are at it, why don't you make me pay for their kids University tuition so they can attend a 'Media Studies' degree as well.
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Her stance on Brexit I could handle. Well rationalised and I felt she was actually fully 50:50 on the topic and had to show support under Cameron.
The election calling. Dumb idea IMO. But I could half get the rationale.
Self employed tax issue? Oh dear. Should have been simple (focus 100% on normalising the system so it's equitable for everyone - don't use the feckin word "fair". If you must "backtrack", say once it's equitable we'll tackle any underlying issues across the board).
Social care. Boom again! And now starting to make me think my earlier judgement on her stance was flawed.
And then the Neil interview.
I've gone from being massively confident that Brexit was in good hands and we could just crack on, to wondering why an election has been called to now thinking that far from getting a heftily increased majority she is going to be lucky to to even have a majority or be PM.
I agree with those thinking the only saving grace for her is that Labour are a shambles. But...I can easily imagine Corbyn actually coming across quite well. If he's studied Neil, prepared for it and refuses to get drawn in he could come out of this looking significantly better than May.
I have a VERY uncomfortable feeling about how all this will pan out now. And even IF she gets a big majority, I'm really hoping she stays away from the Brexit negotiating table.
sidicks said:
LDN said:
May has ballsed up - and when she keeps boasting about being the right person to lead Brexit negotiations; I just think 'no, no you're not'. I had already thought that; but this last 24 hours has confirmed it without any shadow of a doubt.
That's your view, but it would be a very strange view to suggest that the only realistic alternative is more credible.LDN said:
May has ballsed up - and when she keeps boasting about being the right person to lead Brexit negotiations; I just think 'no, no you're not'. I had already thought that; but this last 24 hours has confirmed it without any shadow of a doubt.
And Corbyn is? Well he did vote for leave so you could have a point.Just watched a vid and read a summary of the Brillo interview with May.
She did well under the circumstances, given that it was self-inflicted.
Naturally, The Guardian thinks she 'struggled'.
Also online, the BBC are having a pop but less aggressivly than the red rag.
There was one tiny ray of impartiality in the beeb report when they included this:
"In her interview, with the BBC's Andrew Neil, Mrs May denied this (was a u-turn) and said the principle the policy was based on remained absolutely the same"
On which point she's correct, but it was still self-inflicted.
She did well under the circumstances, given that it was self-inflicted.
Naturally, The Guardian thinks she 'struggled'.
Also online, the BBC are having a pop but less aggressivly than the red rag.
There was one tiny ray of impartiality in the beeb report when they included this:
"In her interview, with the BBC's Andrew Neil, Mrs May denied this (was a u-turn) and said the principle the policy was based on remained absolutely the same"
On which point she's correct, but it was still self-inflicted.
turbobloke said:
Just watched a vid and read a summary of the Brillo interview with May.
She did well under the circumstances, given that it was self-inflicted.
Naturally, The Guardian thinks she 'struggled'.
Also online, the BBC are having a pop but less aggressivly than the red rag.
There was one tiny ray of impartiality in the beeb report when they included this:
"In her interview, with the BBC's Andrew Neil, Mrs May denied this (was a u-turn) and said the principle the policy was based on remained absolutely the same"
On which point she's correct, but it was still self-inflicted.
Come on tb! She did well under the circumstances, given that it was self-inflicted.
Naturally, The Guardian thinks she 'struggled'.
Also online, the BBC are having a pop but less aggressivly than the red rag.
There was one tiny ray of impartiality in the beeb report when they included this:
"In her interview, with the BBC's Andrew Neil, Mrs May denied this (was a u-turn) and said the principle the policy was based on remained absolutely the same"
On which point she's correct, but it was still self-inflicted.
Neil went easy on her, pulled his punches. And she still looked out of her depth.
BigMon said:
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Believe me, I am no right-winger, but I struggling to think of anyone I would prefer less to be in positions of power in this country than Jeremy Corbyn, Dianne Abbot, John McDonnell and Angela Rayner.
t.BigMon said:
Isn't the salient point here that, given the open goal that Corbyn and his bunch of muppets present, May and the Tories should be just running forward and slotting the ball into the net.
So far she's bent down, fumbled with her laces, taken a miskick and currently appears to be jogging towards the corner flag while a baying crowd are bellowing at her to just score for flocks sake.
I cannot imagine a scenario where Labour get into power, but the Tories are making a massive pigs ear out of what should be a really simple task.
Think back to 2010, there was Gordon Brown in goal, looking the wrong way and with his boot laces tied together, the rest of his team were over by the corner flag sniggering over how they'd spent all the money for half time oranges and drinks after, they'd spent that, and put a lot more on tick.So far she's bent down, fumbled with her laces, taken a miskick and currently appears to be jogging towards the corner flag while a baying crowd are bellowing at her to just score for flocks sake.
I cannot imagine a scenario where Labour get into power, but the Tories are making a massive pigs ear out of what should be a really simple task.
Up came David Cameron, open goal, stubbed his toe, and then sliced the ball wide of the corner flag.
Suspect we won't see a repeat of that, but it could be better, a lot better.
But apparently that's just echo chamber stuff.
Murph7355 said:
Come on tb!
Neil went easy on her, pulled his punches. And she still looked out of her depth.
Not that bad and she was certainly not out of her depth. There were no Abbotopotamus or Edumacation Sekraterry gaffes, no vacuous Corbynisms, no McDonnellesque total ignoramus replies.Neil went easy on her, pulled his punches. And she still looked out of her depth.
She was discussing self-inflicted damage, and handled Brillo as well as anyone could in the circumstances.
May remains the best of a bad lot, whatever else, and however embarrassingly self-inflicted this episode is she's still well above the level of JC and Tim Who.
turbobloke said:
Just watched a vid and read a summary of the Brillo interview with May.
She did well under the circumstances, given that it was self-inflicted.
Naturally, The Guardian thinks she 'struggled'.
Also online, the BBC are having a pop but less aggressivly than the red rag.
There was one tiny ray of impartiality in the beeb report when they included this:
"In her interview, with the BBC's Andrew Neil, Mrs May denied this (was a u-turn) and said the principle the policy was based on remained absolutely the same"
On which point she's correct, but it was still self-inflicted.
She did struggle - she made hard work out of it.She did well under the circumstances, given that it was self-inflicted.
Naturally, The Guardian thinks she 'struggled'.
Also online, the BBC are having a pop but less aggressivly than the red rag.
There was one tiny ray of impartiality in the beeb report when they included this:
"In her interview, with the BBC's Andrew Neil, Mrs May denied this (was a u-turn) and said the principle the policy was based on remained absolutely the same"
On which point she's correct, but it was still self-inflicted.
FN2TypeR said:
She did struggle - she made hard work out of it.
It was always going to be hard work, how could it be otherwise? This was needless and self-inflicted.TM wasn't out of her depth - that's excessive and not supported by the interview vids.
Still don't agree that struggle is apt having seen the interview.
FiF said:
Think back to 2010, there was Gordon Brown in goal, looking the wrong way and with his boot laces tied together, the rest of his team were over by the corner flag sniggering over how they'd spent all the money for half time oranges and drinks after, they'd spent that, and put a lot more on tick.
Up came David Cameron, open goal, stubbed his toe, and then sliced the ball wide of the corner flag.
Suspect we won't see a repeat of that, but it could be better, a lot better.
But apparently that's just echo chamber stuff.
With a significant Conservative victory still on the cards when the final whistle is blown, May's detractors and those who won't be voting Conservative are cheering every throw-in she gives away like it matters. Such is life.Up came David Cameron, open goal, stubbed his toe, and then sliced the ball wide of the corner flag.
Suspect we won't see a repeat of that, but it could be better, a lot better.
But apparently that's just echo chamber stuff.
I agree she could have played better in the first half but the opposing team is dire in the extreme.
BigMon said:
I cannot imagine a scenario where Labour get into power, but the Tories are making a massive pigs ear out of what should be a really simple task.
My thoughts exactly, in as much as I've been getting steadily more disquiet about proceedings in the last two weeks.Given that Con are currently at 45%-ish, do we know what that %'age would have to drop to result in a hung parliament?
vournikas said:
Given that Con are currently at 45%-ish, do we know what that %'age would have to drop to result in a hung parliament?
Based on the 2015 election polls, Labour would have to be in the lead. The parties were neck and neck in the polls but CMD won a clearl majority. Polls don't seem to cope well when it's close, which at the moment it isn't.....here's a polltracker from the DT allegedly updated 5 hours ago. Given that every minor twist and turn in the polls has immense significance 
looking closely at the endpoint of the blue line we can safely say that the Conservative dip has been halted. It's a tracker of polls, it must be so 
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