US Elections 2012 Obama v Romney Official Thread

[davepoth]

Guam said:

We may have to agree to disagree over that one I am afraid, unless you also lost money during that period <not wishing to go into details>

I can concur it was made possible by stupid political idealogy <but he still picked a lot of our pockets>

I only had pocket money at the time, so not too much to lose.

He bet against the bank and the bank lost big. But if he hadn't done it, would we have stayed in the ERM? Maybe for another couple of months at the most. And then rather than Soros, it would have been dozens of smaller investors that made a bit rather than one guy making a lot. Net effect to the general population would have been the same.

[Jimbeaux]

Here is why George Soros is a twit. Why the hell is it Germany's fault that other nations acted differently than them?:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis...

[Countdown]

Guam said:

The last election Data on party affilliation produced this break down

"During this past week, Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama has also re-established an advantage over Republican John McCain in Gallup's presidential election trial heat. Obama had led by a slight margin most of the summer after clinching the Democratic nomination, but McCain emerged from the Republican convention with the lead and continued to have at least a slim advantage as recently as Sept. 13-15 polling.

The Democratic advantage in party affiliation is slightly smaller when the partisan leaners from each party group are excluded. In the Sept. 20-22 tracking data, 35% of Americans identify as Democrats, 26% Republicans, and 33% as independents, resulting in a 9-point Democratic advantage.

For the year, an average of 34% of Americans have identified as Democrats and 26% as Republicans, for an 8-point average Democratic lead."

I would significantly doubt the numbers have changed very much.

That being said I would be interested in the breakdown of the survey design to ascertain what measures are taken to ensure things like time of day bias geographical location bias etc are fully flushed out of the survey.

One thing is for sure no party can validly claim 50% <in affilliation>

Your data suggests that, in any random poll, there are going to be statistically more Dems than GOP. Surely that should give extra credence to the poll quoted earlier by UR?

[davepoth]

Jimbeaux said:

Here is why George Soros is a twit. Why the hell is it Germany's fault that other nations acted differently than them?:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis...

We have a Euro thread for that, but in a nutshell Germany needed the rest of Europe to be crap with money so that exports of Audis and other such German things remained competitive.

[unrepentant]

Countdown said:

unrepentant said:

Here it's TV that matters. And there are political ads in every break at present. People like the Koch brothers and Shelson Adelson obviously think it works because they've given tens of millions to Romney hoping he'll get elected and do what he promises, raise taxes on the middle classes and slash them for billionaires.

Just wondering what Adelson et al are expecting in exchange for their million dollar donations

Aldeson? About $2.3 billion in tax breaks according to MSNBC tonight. No wonder Sheldon's been happy to stump up $100 million for Romney!!!

[unrepentant]

Somebody mentioned swing states and battlegrounds.

According to RCP Obama is up in the following states;

New Hampshire
Michigan
Pennsylvania
Ohio
Florida
Wisconsin
Iowa
Nevada
Colorado

Romney is up in;

Virginia
Missouri
North Carolina

[GavinPearson]

Jimbeaux said:

Here is why George Soros is a twit. Why the hell is it Germany's fault that other nations acted differently than them?:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis...

George Soros is actually very smart. What George Soros spouts always ends up benefiting George Soros though, no advice he ever gives is intended to benefit anybody other than him.

[davepoth]

GavinPearson said:

George Soros is actually very smart. What George Soros spouts always ends up benefiting George Soros though, no advice he ever gives is intended to benefit anybody other than him.

He's never shy about making that clear though.

[Jimbeaux]

GavinPearson said:

Jimbeaux said:

Here is why George Soros is a twit. Why the hell is it Germany's fault that other nations acted differently than them?:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis...

George Soros is actually very smart. What George Soros spouts always ends up benefiting George Soros though, no advice he ever gives is intended to benefit anybody other than him.

[stevejh]

Interesting video on Obama's job creation claims;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQLreUCRYXM&fea...

[Jimbeaux]

Obama's hometown and election HQ, Chicago is in chaos. The Teachers, who are his base of voters, and one of his largest donors, the Teacher's Union, are striking. His buddy, Mayor Emmanual is against them. Poor fellow, can't really say anything either way without offending one of his backers. 30,000 teachers on the streets and 400,000 kids running loose. Chicago already had 19 shooting in a recent night, this is not going to help.
BTW, the teachers there make and average of $76,000/yr; pay 3% of their healthcare, and have tenure. What are they striking for? They do not want the proposed teacher evaluation system to kick in. The 4th graders have a 15% proficency in reading and 8th graders there have a 30% proficency in math; no wonder the Mayor wants an evaluation system. BTW, 39% of the public teachers' children are in private schools. Yehaaa for the unions.

[stevejh]

Could Obama's response to the murders in Libya have an effect on the election?

[davepoth]

Guam said:

stevejh said:

Could Obama's response to the murders in Libya have an effect on the election?

I would almost bet money on a Sea lteam already inbound to Libya, you dont kill a US ambassador and get to walk around for very long.

Sets a bad precedent.

The libyans are likely out looking anyway - killing an ambassador is an incredibly serious business regardless of whether you like the country or not, and someone will hang for it.

[Jimbeaux]

davepoth said:

Guam said:

stevejh said:

Could Obama's response to the murders in Libya have an effect on the election?

I would almost bet money on a Sea lteam already inbound to Libya, you dont kill a US ambassador and get to walk around for very long.

Sets a bad precedent.

The libyans are likely out looking anyway - killing an ambassador is an incredibly serious business regardless of whether you like the country or not, and someone will hang for it.

I think you are pretty accurate here.

[unrepentant]

stevejh said:

Could Obama's response to the murders in Libya have an effect on the election?

Obama has obviously already responded and strongly condemned the attacks and praised Ambassador Stevens, who seems to have been a great guy and someone who genuinely cared for Libya nd the Libyans.

The people involved in this attack seem to have been a small faction of pro Gadhafi loyalists. People have been quick to condemn Lybians for the attack but that would really make no more sense than condemning the people of Northern Ireland for the atrocities of the IRA or the residents of Aurora for the acts of a lunatic.

Obama's response will be measured and appropriate.

[davepoth]

Guam said:

Fixed that for you

I think I've figured out why she's leaving office - a starring role in The Expendables 3 perhaps?

[unrepentant]

What we do know is that Romney's response was as disgusting as it was predictable. Even on 9/11 faced with this tragedy the repugnant draft dodger couldn't resist trying to use it to make a cheap political point.

Draft dodger said:

“I'm outraged by the attacks on American diplomatic missions in Libya and Egypt and by the death of an American consulate worker in Benghazi," Romney said in the statement. "It's disgraceful that the Obama Administration's first response was not to condemn attacks on our diplomatic missions, but to sympathize with those who waged the attacks.”

This man made no mention of the troops in Afghanistan in his convention speech, later described them as "unimportant", has not the slightest grasp of foreign policy or the intricacies of diplomacy and yet feels able to pontificate and condemn those who do. He's a disgrace.

[Jimbeaux]

unrepentant said:

What we do know is that Romney's response was as disgusting as it was predictable. Even on 9/11 faced with this tragedy the repugnant draft dodger couldn't resist trying to use it to make a cheap political point.

Draft dodger said:

“I'm outraged by the attacks on American diplomatic missions in Libya and Egypt and by the death of an American consulate worker in Benghazi," Romney said in the statement. "It's disgraceful that the Obama Administration's first response was not to condemn attacks on our diplomatic missions, but to sympathize with those who waged the attacks.”

This man made no mention of the troops in Afghanistan in his convention speech, later described them as "unimportant", has not the slightest grasp of foreign policy or the intricacies of diplomacy and yet feels able to pontificate and condemn those who do. He's a disgrace.

Get off it. What in his statement was wrong?? As to foreign policy, Barry O had no experience when he got to the big chair and shows no progress on that front seeing how the revolution he underwrote has turned on him.

[stevejh]

So at a time when Israel is probably close to launching an attack on Iran's nuclear facilities Obama can't make time to see Netanyahu but can make time to see Morsi, book an appearance on Letterman and go to a Jayzee and Beyonce hosted, $40,000 a table, fundraiser. Diplomatic priorities slightly awry perhaps.

[Countdown]

stevejh said:

So at a time when Israel is probably close to launching an attack on Iran's nuclear facilities Obama can't make time to see Netanyahu but can make time to see Morsi, book an appearance on Letterman and go to a Jayzee and Beyonce hosted, $40,000 a table, fundraiser. Diplomatic priorities slightly awry perhaps.

Hmm... The first US Prez not to shout "How high sir?" when the Israelis say jump.

The man's a disgrace.