Police in search for missing 5 year old
Discussion
djfaulkner said:
From the sky news feed - Mark Bridger's re-arrest does not 'reset' custody time
As I said.They are still on the time limits they were before, along with the same restriction of having to get time extended at 5pm (hopefully one of the criminal solicitors can clarify unlike the corporate monkey I am), the different arrest will merely be relating to the possible charge.
ali_kat said:
Correct, it lengthens it slightly without having to get a Magistrate involved IIRC.
I'm not a criminal solicitor but I don't know if that's correct. The overall custody clock is still running, and I believe they will still be under an obligation to seek permission to extend as he's been in custody so long.Happy to be corrected though as it's not my area of practice.
Twincam16 said:
However, as a previous poster pointed out, a recent attempted abduction with the exact same MO (LHD Discovery) happened fairly recently not far from Machynlleth.
I'll get my defence in first by admitting how easy it is to be wise after the event, but in terms of preventing rather than solving things like this crime I can't help wondering how police knew to look for him so quickly and whether it was related to investigations into that attempted abduction. Then, what warnings and publicity had been given to local people.The reason for this aspect troubling me relates to two recent incidents. It seems that some(?) children at my kid's school and maybe some parents had been told recently that someone had been trying to entice children into a vehicle in the area/around schools. We were told nothing by school or police and nothing was reported in the local press but after hearing this and some further digging I did a couple of weeks late, it looks it did happen.
Also, we regularly take our children to a park near my sister in law's home in London. A while back a mother turned to see two men trying to walk her child out of the park; quite a wide spread play area and pretty easy to lose track of which apparatus one child is on if you have several playing there. She and others ran at them etc. and they went, sans child thankfully. Local residents have been so upset by the lack of warnings/information (and apparent activity) from the police they put posters on lamposts and got the local press involved in publicising this.
I know there is a danger of overly alarming people, stirring up a frenzy etc. but when there is clear evidence of a threat in an area I'd prefer to be informed.
I also wonder given the reported mo of the previous attempt how much police had investigated Bridger before, whether he has a record, and how much they looked into local owners of lhd Discoveries, would there be that many around?
ali_kat said:
djfaulkner said:
From the sky news feed - Mark Bridger's re-arrest does not 'reset' custody time
Correct, it lengthens it slightly without having to get a Magistrate involved IIRC.I guess we all can guess what will be said in the 5.30pm news conference
Boat with sonar - they think she could be trapped in debris?
I really, really hope she is not found live on air.
harry010 said:
ali_kat said:
Correct, it lengthens it slightly without having to get a Magistrate involved IIRC.
I'm not a criminal solicitor but I don't know if that's correct. The overall custody clock is still running, and I believe they will still be under an obligation to seek permission to extend as he's been in custody so long.Happy to be corrected though as it's not my area of practice.
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Lost_BMW said:
I also wonder given the reported mo of the previous attempt how much police had investigated Bridger before, whether he has a record, and how much they looked into local owners of lhd Discoveries, would there be that many around?
I wouldn't be surprised if there were more LHD Discoveries than you'd expect doing the rounds. I remember on Top Gear in the mid-Nineties Quentin Willson demonstrating how you could save a considerable amount of money - specifically on the Discovery - by getting in from the Netherlands rather than buying it in a UK dealership. He bought a Discovery this way to illustrate the point (I remember it quite vividly being a dark metallic burgundy example), and pointed out that you could get one even cheaper if you plumped for LHD.I know a guy who has one, who bought it this way, and apparently for a brief time there was a bit of a semi-formal import trade in them, given the difference in prices being so great.
Lost_BMW said:
Twincam16 said:
However, as a previous poster pointed out, a recent attempted abduction with the exact same MO (LHD Discovery) happened fairly recently not far from Machynlleth.
I'll get my defence in first by admitting how easy it is to be wise after the event, but in terms of preventing rather than solving things like this crime I can't help wondering how police knew to look for him so quickly and whether it was related to investigations into that attempted abduction. Then, what warnings and publicity had been given to local people.The reason for this aspect troubling me relates to two recent incidents. It seems that some(?) children at my kid's school and maybe some parents had been told recently that someone had been trying to entice children into a vehicle in the area/around schools. We were told nothing by school or police and nothing was reported in the local press but after hearing this and some further digging I did a couple of weeks late, it looks it did happen.
Also, we regularly take our children to a park near my sister in law's home in London. A while back a mother turned to see two men trying to walk her child out of the park; quite a wide spread play area and pretty easy to lose track of which apparatus one child is on if you have several playing there. She and others ran at them etc. and they went, sans child thankfully. Local residents have been so upset by the lack of warnings/information (and apparent activity) from the police they put posters on lamposts and got the local press involved in publicising this.
I know there is a danger of overly alarming people, stirring up a frenzy etc. but when there is clear evidence of a threat in an area I'd prefer to be informed.
I also wonder given the reported mo of the previous attempt how much police had investigated Bridger before, whether he has a record, and how much they looked into local owners of lhd Discoveries, would there be that many around?
Horrendous news. It really does make me feel ill.
ali_kat said:
They are still searching this small bit of the Dyfi downstream from the bridge [b]I think she'd be further down and actually in the sea[b/], that river is tidal and has fast currents on a hot mid-summer's day, let alone in the conditions they have now
Unless there's something to hook up on or an eddy, easily out to sea. I can remember taking the dogs up to Aberdovey one winter and there were huge tree stumps that had washed downstream on the banks of the estuary. [b]I think she'd be further down and actually in the sea[b/], that river is tidal and has fast currents on a hot mid-summer's day, let alone in the conditions they have now Chrisw666 said:
otolith said:
Mr Roper said:
Apparently there are crowds gathering
The ghouls sense a spectacle.My dad was talking with someone he knows from the town. I just hope it's misinterpreted activity.
CraigVmax said:
Lost_BMW said:
Twincam16 said:
However, as a previous poster pointed out, a recent attempted abduction with the exact same MO (LHD Discovery) happened fairly recently not far from Machynlleth.
I'll get my defence in first by admitting how easy it is to be wise after the event, but in terms of preventing rather than solving things like this crime I can't help wondering how police knew to look for him so quickly and whether it was related to investigations into that attempted abduction. Then, what warnings and publicity had been given to local people.The reason for this aspect troubling me relates to two recent incidents. It seems that some(?) children at my kid's school and maybe some parents had been told recently that someone had been trying to entice children into a vehicle in the area/around schools. We were told nothing by school or police and nothing was reported in the local press but after hearing this and some further digging I did a couple of weeks late, it looks it did happen.
Also, we regularly take our children to a park near my sister in law's home in London. A while back a mother turned to see two men trying to walk her child out of the park; quite a wide spread play area and pretty easy to lose track of which apparatus one child is on if you have several playing there. She and others ran at them etc. and they went, sans child thankfully. Local residents have been so upset by the lack of warnings/information (and apparent activity) from the police they put posters on lamposts and got the local press involved in publicising this.
I know there is a danger of overly alarming people, stirring up a frenzy etc. but when there is clear evidence of a threat in an area I'd prefer to be informed.
I also wonder given the reported mo of the previous attempt how much police had investigated Bridger before, whether he has a record, and how much they looked into local owners of lhd Discoveries, would there be that many around?
By God! If I were to see this I would be in prison for a long time
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