Jeremy Corbyn Vol. 2

[pingu393]

dbdb said:

Me too. I wouldn't vote Conservative now, but did at the last several elections. I know a few people who also say they will do this: it isn't rare. The Conservatives could have a real problem on their Centrist flank.

Would you abstain or vote for another? Just curious as I have switched in the past, but some on here think that hardly anyone switches.

At the end of the day, there are only around 150(*) constituencies that matter, so most switched votes don't matter.

You can check your constituency below to see if a switched vote will make much difference.


(*) 125 constituencies had a winning majority of <10%...

http://www.porterbility.co.uk/Files/XLS/2015_Elect...

[RYH64E]

jsf said:

Why do people still not understand this.

Being a member of the WTO gives access to the single market for items covered by the WTO agreements, the EU can not block that.

The EU can only block access to items not covered by the international agreements they have signed up to.

They don't have to block trade to make things difficult for many exporters, customs checks for instance could seriously delay deliveries which would affect suppliers of time critical or perishable goods.

[anonymous-user]

RYH64E said:

jsf said:

Would you vote in a way that would make Corbyn our PM?

I'll vote for whatever party best represents my interests.

You didn't answer the question.

I'll ask in another way.

If Corbyn offered you everything you wanted, would you vote for Labour knowing it would mean he was to be our PM?

[RYH64E]

jsf said:

RYH64E said:

jsf said:

Would you vote in a way that would make Corbyn our PM?

I'll vote for whatever party best represents my interests.

You didn't answer the question.

I'll ask in another way.

If Corbyn offered you everything you wanted, would you vote for Labour knowing it would mean he was to be our PM?

I did answer your question, but for the sake of clarity, if Corbyn's Labour party best represented my interests then they would get my vote, why would they not? Not that that will ever happen, Corbyn and I are at opposite ends of the political spectrum.

[dbdb]

pingu393 said:

dbdb said:

Me too. I wouldn't vote Conservative now, but did at the last several elections. I know a few people who also say they will do this: it isn't rare. The Conservatives could have a real problem on their Centrist flank.

Would you abstain or vote for another? Just curious as I have switched in the past, but some on here think that hardly anyone switches.

At the end of the day, there are only around 150(*) constituencies that matter, so most switched votes don't matter.

You can check your constituency below to see if a switched vote will make much difference.


(*) 125 constituencies had a winning majority of <10%...

http://www.porterbility.co.uk/Files/XLS/2015_Elect...

I would vote for another. I live in a 3-way marginal seat with a Conservative MP. If the Liberal democrats have a resurgence, he is likely to lose his seat in my view.

Edited by dbdb on Sunday 6th November 15:35

[BlackLabel]

That will be quite an internal battle for economically conservative remainers - do you vote Tory knowing Brexit will be hard (ish) or do you vote Labour in the knowledge that while they may keep us in the common market a PM Corbyn (backed up by Wee Nippy Sturgeon) would be disasterous for the economy.

[dbdb]

BlackLabel said:

That will be quite an internal battle for economically conservative remainers - do you vote Tory knowing Brexit will be hard (ish) or do you vote Labour in the knowledge that while they may keep us in the common market a PM Corbyn (backed up by Wee Nippy Sturgeon) would be disasterous for the economy.

Neither is an appetizing option. I guess their decision pivots on whether they believe one term of Crazy Corbyn is worse than decades of Hard Brexit hard reality. I can't answer that, but it isn't clear cut.

[anonymous-user]

RYH64E said:

jsf said:

Why do people still not understand this.

Being a member of the WTO gives access to the single market for items covered by the WTO agreements, the EU can not block that.

The EU can only block access to items not covered by the international agreements they have signed up to.

They don't have to block trade to make things difficult for many exporters, customs checks for instance could seriously delay deliveries which would affect suppliers of time critical or perishable goods.

You may wish to look into the WCO and what being a member of that organisation means. You may also wish to look into the WTO TFA that is now in force.

None EU international bodies are becoming more important by the day in how goods and services are traded, the EU is signing up to these organisations as they attempt to improve their economic performance.

[anonymous-user]

RYH64E said:

jsf said:

RYH64E said:

jsf said:

Would you vote in a way that would make Corbyn our PM?

I'll vote for whatever party best represents my interests.

You didn't answer the question.

I'll ask in another way.

If Corbyn offered you everything you wanted, would you vote for Labour knowing it would mean he was to be our PM?

I did answer your question, but for the sake of clarity, if Corbyn's Labour party best represented my interests then they would get my vote, why would they not? Not that that will ever happen, Corbyn and I are at opposite ends of the political spectrum.

OK, so even if Labour offered you everything you wanted on the EU issue, you still wouldn't vote for Labour because you have too many opposing views on other aspects of what having Labour in power would mean. That's how I read your reply. Am I correct in the way I understood what you wrote?

[RYH64E]

jsf said:

OK, so even if Labour offered you everything you wanted on the EU issue, you still wouldn't vote for Labour because you have too many opposing views on other aspects of what having Labour in power would mean. That's how I read your reply. Am I correct in the way I understood what you wrote?

It's not a game of 20 questions.

[anonymous-user]

RYH64E said:

jsf said:

OK, so even if Labour offered you everything you wanted on the EU issue, you still wouldn't vote for Labour because you have too many opposing views on other aspects of what having Labour in power would mean. That's how I read your reply. Am I correct in the way I understood what you wrote?

It's not a game of 20 questions.

If you answered my original question with a yes or no, then the rest that followed wouldn't be required.

Either you would be prepared to vote for Corbyn as PM or you are not prepared to vote for Corbyn as PM. Which is it? Yes or No.

[Welshbeef]

jsf said:

Welshbeef said:

The EUs red line might be no UK access to the Single market but we don't know as the negotiations commence after the triggering.

Why do people still not understand this.

Being a member of the WTO gives access to the single market for items covered by the WTO agreements, the EU can not block that.

The EU can only block access to items not covered by the international agreements they have signed up to.

In which case clearly no MP knows this nor any of the press
May should just announce now WTO ensure single market access is guaranteed so problem solved - anything she negotiates above this is an upside happy days.

[Kermit power]

RYH64E said:

There're a lot of lifelong Tory voters who might be tempted to vote for a party with a softer approach to Brexit, myself included.

I suspect, though, that rather more Tory voters just want to vote for a Tory party which shares their outlook on life in general again, and Corbyb has made that potentially possible.

If May shifts the party to the right and reduces the 20 years of pillaging the Middle Classes to give to the feckless, then I'd be inclined to vote for her regardless of her stance on Brexit.

If, on the other hand, she fails to do so, then I won't vote for her, again regardless of her stance on Brexit.

The whole EU issue is utterly trivial compared to the fact that for the last two decades, we've had no choice other than the colour of the tie on the Centre Left parties standing for government.

[Welshbeef]

Kermit power said:

I suspect, though, that rather more Tory voters just want to vote for a Tory party which shares their outlook on life in general again, and Corbyb has made that potentially possible.

If May shifts the party to the right and reduces the 20 years of pillaging the Middle Classes to give to the feckless, then I'd be inclined to vote for her regardless of her stance on Brexit.

If, on the other hand, she fails to do so, then I won't vote for her, again regardless of her stance on Brexit.

The whole EU issue is utterly trivial compared to the fact that for the last two decades, we've had no choice other than the colour of the tie on the Centre Left parties standing for government.

If she did who would you vote for?

There is no more right leaning political party in UK politics so guessing more left wing which seems odd.

[Burwood]

I find it a complete nonsense that anyone would change their staunch voting patterns over something as trivial as Brexit. RYH, you're trolling surely. You do realise Corbyn would rape your business and your pocket.

[230TE]

Burwood said:

I find it a complete nonsense that anyone would change their staunch voting patterns over something as trivial as Brexit. RYH, you're trolling surely. You do realise Corbyn would rape your business and your pocket.

Single issue fanatics are weird. I'm trying to think of something, anything at all, that would make me vote for Corbyn's Labour. Bribery, obviously. But only because I live in a safe Tory constituency so they'd be wasting their money.

[RYH64E]

Burwood said:

I find it a complete nonsense that anyone would change their staunch voting patterns over something as trivial as Brexit. RYH, you're trolling surely. You do realise Corbyn would rape your business and your pocket.

Where have I said I would vote for Corbyn's Labour? What I've said is that I would vote for whatever party best represents my interests and not automatically tick the Conservative box.

I don't think that Brexit is trivial, I think it's an unfolding disaster that will adversely affect our prosperity for the indefinite future.

Edited by RYH64E on Sunday 6th November 18:44

[Welshbeef]

RYH64E said:

Burwood said:

I find it a complete nonsense that anyone would change their staunch voting patterns over something as trivial as Brexit. RYH, you're trolling surely. You do realise Corbyn would rape your business and your pocket.

Where have I said I would vote for Corbyn's Labour? What I've said is that I would vote for whatever party best represents my interests and not automatically tick the Conservative box.

But you are a right leading individual.

Liberal democrats are left of centre
Labour is much more left of centre
UKIP is between the two a socialist revolution trying to take voters away from Labour
Tory is right of centre.

So please explain.

[RYH64E]

Welshbeef said:

But you are a right leading individual.

Liberal democrats are left of centre
Labour is much more left of centre
UKIP is between the two a socialist revolution trying to take voters away from Labour
Tory is right of centre.

So please explain.

It's a balance, Brexit is a big issue for me and I'm not comfortable with the more zenophobic elements of the Conservative party, I could conceivably vote Lib Dem.

[Stickyfinger]

RYH64E said:

Burwood said:

I find it a complete nonsense that anyone would change their staunch voting patterns over something as trivial as Brexit. RYH, you're trolling surely. You do realise Corbyn would rape your business and your pocket.

Where have I said I would vote for Corbyn's Labour? What I've said is that I would vote for whatever party best represents my interests and not automatically tick the Conservative box.

So, you have 3/4 choices then (?)

Ukip.....yeh you sound like that is a no no....LEAVE

Con ?.....right leaning.......LEAVE

Labour ?..Trotsky your thing ?...Who knows and WhoTF cares anyway the man is an idiot.

Lib ?....wetter than a wet fish ....ohh, nice choice


carry on