Conservative MP - Police Rant.
Discussion
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-200...
Yes sorry
Becky Godden's family have been robbed of justice because this public servant didn't do their job. Dismissal can be the only outcome as assume he won't have the decency to resign (and without pension too).
Yes sorry
Becky Godden's family have been robbed of justice because this public servant didn't do their job. Dismissal can be the only outcome as assume he won't have the decency to resign (and without pension too).
Interesting one that. Given his rank he could have self-authorised an interview and declining legal advice if he thought it would lead to the bodies. Hard to say without knowing his thought-process and rationale. Shame he didn't caution him again though!
Mitchell is a fool to end his career this way. He played out all the worst Tory stereotypes then appears to have lied over what he said. It was probably still recoverable if he had been straight after he did it. The Police Fed were never going to let this lie as fuel was added to the fire.
Mitchell is a fool to end his career this way. He played out all the worst Tory stereotypes then appears to have lied over what he said. It was probably still recoverable if he had been straight after he did it. The Police Fed were never going to let this lie as fuel was added to the fire.
Blib said:
There's no honour in his resignation.
Compared to tasering a blind man and still being in a job. Or perhaps concealing the truth and blaming dead people for police incompetence whilst collecting a knighthood and a fat police pension. In such comparissons I think the man is a saint.
RedTrident said:
Blib said:
There's no honour in his resignation.
Compared to tasering a blind man and still being in a job. Or perhaps concealing the truth and blaming dead people for police incompetence whilst collecting a knighthood and a fat police pension. In such comparissons I think the man is a saint.
turbobloke said:
How far behind "you've not heard the last of this" is "do you know who I am?" and are you ever tempted to reply by asking for ID?
My suspicion is that BiB exercise almost infinite patience and extraordinary tolerance while knowing also that in most cases it won't end with the tit being milked. In this case he was creamed. It's difficult to feel any sympathy particularly since as you say it could have been far less consequential.
The simplest retort to: Don't you know who I am? is something along the lines of: I will do if I have to report you.My suspicion is that BiB exercise almost infinite patience and extraordinary tolerance while knowing also that in most cases it won't end with the tit being milked. In this case he was creamed. It's difficult to feel any sympathy particularly since as you say it could have been far less consequential.
There are lots of professions where you don't want to irritatate the person in charge. Be nice to your dentist as well.
martin84 said:
In some ways Mitchell has been stitched up. What happened in Downing Street was very insignificant and the officer accepted the apology, the news story should've run for 48 hours maximum and been forgotten about. Obviously Mitchell made it worse by refusing to confirm/deny what he did/didn't say but the Police have also kept this in the news. Those notes the Police take don't normally end up on the front of newspapers so it's clear they wanted that info out there. The meeting Mitchell was summoned to with the Police group last week had nothing to do with the Downing St incident, but was hijacked as a means for the Police to b
h at the Government - over something Mitchell has nothing to do with.
It reinforced a narrative the press has run for the last year or so which is Cameron's Government are too posh, too out of touch and too arrogant. They've done nothing to counter those suggestions though, if anything they've made it worse.
I'd even argue it should have never been a news story. (well it isn't). People make mistakes, people say things they might regret.. we all do it, its disgraceful that this is still a new topic and being debated at length in parliament. Cameron should have stopped the debate straight away and demanded that they move on to matters to do with the running of the country, not individuals lives.h at the Government - over something Mitchell has nothing to do with.It reinforced a narrative the press has run for the last year or so which is Cameron's Government are too posh, too out of touch and too arrogant. They've done nothing to counter those suggestions though, if anything they've made it worse.
Frankly no-one has come out of this well...
- If the opposition have to use this as ammunition against the government it makes them look pathetic as they have nothing better to say
- The fact that CMD and co let this run on makes them look like they have no control
- The police clearly have their own agenda against the government which makes them look as bad as Labour.
- The general public lose out as their taxes are wasted debating this
- The press haven't helped by trying to make something of nothing.
I guess he wasn't any good at that either - hence he thought he'd better try something else.La Liga said:
Interesting one that. Given his rank he could have self-authorised an interview and declining legal advice if he thought it would lead to the bodies. Hard to say without knowing his thought-process and rationale. Shame he didn't caution him again though!
Don't think it was quite like that.Looks like he was interviewed away from the nick without a lawyer (permissible and legal under Code C 6.6 of PACE) but as soon as he confessed to the second murder, he should have been cautioned again and it appears he wasn't. Tiny administrative detail but enough to scupper the case especially if there was no other evidence other than the confession.
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It would also be arguable that once he had identified where the body was, the need for an urgent interview without legal advice no longer applied and it shouldn't have been continued.
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Not cautioning properly causes the admissibility of any subsequent confessions to be a bit shaky, and if the second murder was largely resting on the interview and confession evidence then the case would collapse. It does suggest that the case against him for the second murder was thin without the admission.
Agreed about suggesting the evidence was thin.
I think we pretty much said the same thing before my auto-correct murdered my sentences.
It seems quite a strange scenario to have occurred given the meticulously planned nature of murder investigations after the inital phase of it occuring and securing inital evidence. It must have been something significant to rapidly increase the pace of things and cause a Superintendet to take such steps. We will have to see what comes out of it.
I think we pretty much said the same thing before my auto-correct murdered my sentences.
It seems quite a strange scenario to have occurred given the meticulously planned nature of murder investigations after the inital phase of it occuring and securing inital evidence. It must have been something significant to rapidly increase the pace of things and cause a Superintendet to take such steps. We will have to see what comes out of it.
So, the economy is stalling, we have spiralling debt and deficit problems and our political leaders have spent most of the last two weeks on whether a man called someone a pleb.
Meanwhile politicians are defrauding the taxpayer, yet again, renting out their Lonond houses to other MPs.
No wonder the place is fked.
Meanwhile politicians are defrauding the taxpayer, yet again, renting out their Lonond houses to other MPs.
No wonder the place is f
ked.johnfm said:
So, the economy is stalling, we have spiralling debt and deficit problems and our political leaders have spent most of the last two weeks on whether a man called someone a pleb.
Meanwhile politicians are defrauding the taxpayer, yet again, renting out their Lonond houses to other MPs.
No wonder the place is fked.
The issue isn't the name calling. If he had just owned up, and appologised it would have all blown over.Meanwhile politicians are defrauding the taxpayer, yet again, renting out their Lonond houses to other MPs.
No wonder the place is f
ked.As it was he was happy to label the police liars, but refused to come up with his version of the events, over something so trivial. Someone with that level of integrity should not be involved in running the country.
If I behaved like that at work, I would be out of a job.
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