Nasty crash in B’Ham

[Rovinghawk]

Greendubber said:

Well you know as well as I do no one can be prosecuted with zero evidence, which is what the poster was claiming.

I'm well aware of the Mets disclosure fiasco.

I'm curious as to whether 'cuts' is the excuse for the fiasco. Some are suggesting that cuts are to blame for all problems.

[Greendubber]

Rovinghawk said:

Greendubber said:

Well you know as well as I do no one can be prosecuted with zero evidence, which is what the poster was claiming.

I'm well aware of the Mets disclosure fiasco.

I'm curious as to whether 'cuts' is the excuse for the fiasco. Some are suggesting that cuts are to blame for all problems.

The disclosure issue is down to someone not doing their job correctly, there could be various reasons for that but they won't be financial.

[Rovinghawk]

Greendubber said:

The disclosure issue is down to someone not doing their job correctly, there could be various reasons for that but they won't be financial.

I'm pleased that we agree.

[alfaman]

Mothersruin said:

Sounds like my years in the Middles East - The journey to work wasn't a commute, it was survival.

having recently moved from Singapore to Bahrain :

> indicators are optional
> lane changes are random
> red lights and speed limits are optional
> one way streets work either way
> and drink drive laws may not apply to' visitors' at weekend
> double parking is perfectly fine

[TooMany2cvs]

fesuvious said:

Trafpol seemed to vanish as reliance on ANPR and speed cameras grew.

I was complaining about a lack of trafpol back in 2008.

In the nineties T5's and the like haunted the roads. You knew there was a good chance plod (who could really drive too) were not far away.

By mid naughties that deterrent wasn't so great. By the back end of the naughties the lack of fast traffic cars was notable.

Fast forward to now. Feels like sod all.

Yet road deaths have fallen massively.

[anonymous-user]

del mar said:

Of course it didn't work, because you lock them up.

If however you "removed" all the petty criminals / persistent offenders crime rate would surely drop.

You would get to 4 strikes and then suddenly become a monk to avoid being put to death !!

For clarity are you saying you want to live in a society where five shoplifting convictions = extermination ?

[DuraAce]

Shame we haven't got a special squad of 'police' who could just 'dissappear' people who were never going to make any useful contribution to society, in a sort of Judge Dredd/Punisher style.

(said in jest, but only just!)

[wjwren]

DuraAce said:

Shame we haven't got a special squad of 'police' who could just 'dissappear' people who were never going to make any useful contribution to society, in a sort of Judge Dredd/Punisher style.

(said in jest, but only just!)

[Steviesam]

Greendubber said:

Rovinghawk said:

Greendubber said:

Well you know as well as I do no one can be prosecuted with zero evidence, which is what the poster was claiming.

I'm well aware of the Mets disclosure fiasco.

I'm curious as to whether 'cuts' is the excuse for the fiasco. Some are suggesting that cuts are to blame for all problems.

The disclosure issue is down to someone not doing their job correctly, there could be various reasons for that but they won't be financial.

Disclosure issue is down to bent plod wanting to get their convictions up more like.

Police are just untrustworthy now.

[zarjaz1991]

Steviesam said:

Disclosure issue is down to bent plod wanting to get their convictions up more like.

Police are just untrustworthy now.

Welcome to my world, having had corrupt police officers lie on oath about me in court to secure a minor motoring conviction, I have believed this for many years now.

[Greendubber]

Steviesam said:

Greendubber said:

Rovinghawk said:

Greendubber said:

Well you know as well as I do no one can be prosecuted with zero evidence, which is what the poster was claiming.

I'm well aware of the Mets disclosure fiasco.

I'm curious as to whether 'cuts' is the excuse for the fiasco. Some are suggesting that cuts are to blame for all problems.

The disclosure issue is down to someone not doing their job correctly, there could be various reasons for that but they won't be financial.

Disclosure issue is down to bent plod wanting to get their convictions up more like.

Police are just untrustworthy now.

You have absolutely zero evidence to back that claim up.

[zarjaz1991]

Greendubber said:

You have absolutely zero evidence to back that claim up.

Which is quite the coincidence really, as it seems neither did the police.

[Greendubber]

zarjaz1991 said:

Greendubber said:

You have absolutely zero evidence to back that claim up.

Which is quite the coincidence really, as it seems neither did the police.

Yawn, perhaps you could start your own thread about how much you hate the police rather than dragging this one off topic.

[zarjaz1991]

Greendubber said:

Yawn, perhaps you could start your own thread about how much you hate the police rather than dragging this one off topic.

I'm sure the police would indeed be very happy if we all stopped mentioning their attempts at miscarriages of justice.

[amusingduck]

zarjaz1991 said:

Steviesam said:

Disclosure issue is down to bent plod wanting to get their convictions up more like.

Police are just untrustworthy now.

Welcome to my world, having had corrupt police officers lie on oath about me in court to secure a minor motoring conviction, I have believed this for many years now.

What did they lie about?

[Steviesam]

Greendubber said:

You have absolutely zero evidence to back that claim up.

In some respects it does not matter if there is evidence or not.

The general public see that twice (recently rape cases) plod have withheld evidence that later acquits the defendant. There can be no dependable reason for this. All trust is gone.

From my personal opinion, this kind of thing has been going on for years. I just CANT trust them to do the right thing.

Just a couple of reasons: they can never be bothered with "small" crimes, but these really affect the people involved. Time and time again we see less than perfect people let off with little or no punishment (maybe the courts can be blamed too). Lots of reports of people getting fined/points for (as an example) using a mobile, when they weren't.. Agreed some are lying, but not ALL of them, and it comes down to who will be believed in court, which is always going to be plod.

And before you say, I know not all are bad. But the trust has gone, and once thats gone, you doubt everyone.

[anonymous-user]

DuraAce said:

Shame we haven't got a special squad of 'police' who could just 'dissappear' people who were never going to make any useful contribution to society, in a sort of Judge Dredd/Punisher style.

(said in jest, but only just!)

I understand that the Brazilian cops are au fait with this method, Perhaps we need to pay a Brazilian Captain to come over and show us how its done.

[greygoose]

Steviesam said:

Just a couple of reasons: they can never be bothered with "small" crimes, but these really affect the people involved. Time and time again we see less than perfect people let off with little or no punishment (maybe the courts can be blamed too). Lots of reports of people getting fined/points for (as an example) using a mobile, when they weren't.. Agreed some are lying, but not ALL of them, and it comes down to who will be believed in court, which is always going to be plod.

The police do not decide punishments, the courts do following guidance on sentencing/fines etc. Since you don't trust any police you should be happy with that.

[anonymous-user]

Steviesam said:

Greendubber said:

You have absolutely zero evidence to back that claim up.

In some respects it does not matter if there is evidence or not.

The general public see that twice (recently rape cases) plod have withheld evidence that later acquits the defendant. There can be no dependable reason for this. All trust is gone.

From my personal opinion, this kind of thing has been going on for years. I just CANT trust them to do the right thing.

Just a couple of reasons: they can never be bothered with "small" crimes, but these really affect the people involved. Time and time again we see less than perfect people let off with little or no punishment (maybe the courts can be blamed too). Lots of reports of people getting fined/points for (as an example) using a mobile, when they weren't.. Agreed some are lying, but not ALL of them, and it comes down to who will be believed in court, which is always going to be plod.

And before you say, I know not all are bad. But the trust has gone, and once thats gone, you doubt everyone.

Trust in professions has been measured for over 30 years.

Most occupations have remained similar over that time period with the exception of the clergy, which has declined. Similar with measures of confidence etc in policing data.

Seems your 'the trust has gone' melodrama isn't backed up by the evidence / indications.

[del mar]

RSK21 said:

del mar said:

Of course it didn't work, because you lock them up.

If however you "removed" all the petty criminals / persistent offenders crime rate would surely drop.

You would get to 4 strikes and then suddenly become a monk to avoid being put to death !!

For clarity are you saying you want to live in a society where five shoplifting convictions = extermination ?

A persistent scumbag will always be a so, they are just a drain on society why do we want them ?

We all make mistakes, but the same mistake 5 times ?

But no I am not really suggesting we kill people......