Brexit: would you change your vote.
Discussion
Piha said:
How does a member of the public sack a MP?
How does a member of the public get their preferred choice to stand as their MP?
Thankfully a "member of the public" cannot sack an MP, they can assist in changing the elected government directly (from the very top down), you cannot do that in the EU.How does a member of the public get their preferred choice to stand as their MP?
The Dangerous Elk said:
Thankfully a "member of the public" cannot sack an MP, they can assist in changing the elected government directly (from the very top down), you cannot do that in the EU.
Are you telling me that an EU citizen can't vote for their MEP like that can their MP?So both institutions are remarkably similar. Except one has utterly failed in current negotiations due to complete incompetence and political divisions within their own party.
Ghibli said:
Robertj21a said:
So, being able to make our own decisions without needing to check with 27 other countries isn't a sufficient benefit ?
What gives you the impression that we are capable of making our own decisions?Have you been following Brexit.
Piha said:
The Dangerous Elk said:
Thankfully a "member of the public" cannot sack an MP, they can assist in changing the elected government directly (from the very top down), you cannot do that in the EU.
Are you telling me that an EU citizen can't vote for their MEP like that can their MP?So both institutions are remarkably similar. Except one has utterly failed in current negotiations due to complete incompetence and political divisions within their own party.
Hayek said:
MEP's do not make up the executive, as I'm sure you know. Fundamental difference.
You also vote for the party and not the person in the MEP elections. It is designed to give the illusion of democracy but without all that horrible power to the people and responsibility nonsense. amusingduck said:
loafer123 said:
When I discuss with Remainers, many, particularly older ones, say that they will vote Leave in a second referendum on principle, because they value the democratic mandate of the first referendum.
It's yet another thing to be grateful to Remoaners for.Insisting that we have another go, whilst not even being able to agree what the question should look like, is nicely pushing normal remainers towards "respect the first democratic vote".
They really have been the Leaver's greatest ally at times
I do find it funny that on PH, we seem to discuss the 10% 'boundary' voters who make up the hard core Remainers and the hard core Leavers, whilst forgetting that the 90% in the middle might vote either way depending on many factors.
The vote was taken, the result was leave.
What the politicians tried to do was over ride the result by negotiating on things already settled, the starting point was we are leaving, they took it upon themselves to include remaining in some form or other.
Every remainer should remember that this is a bunch of politicians openly defying the result, just because they are on the losing side, it is still ignoring the vote they were a part of.
We are governed by CONSENT not dictate, its time the remainers stopped sulking and back the democratic decision that was arrived at WITH THEIR PARTICIPATION, its no longer what they want, its what kind of country they want to live in.
What the politicians tried to do was over ride the result by negotiating on things already settled, the starting point was we are leaving, they took it upon themselves to include remaining in some form or other.
Every remainer should remember that this is a bunch of politicians openly defying the result, just because they are on the losing side, it is still ignoring the vote they were a part of.
We are governed by CONSENT not dictate, its time the remainers stopped sulking and back the democratic decision that was arrived at WITH THEIR PARTICIPATION, its no longer what they want, its what kind of country they want to live in.
Edited by dasigty on Monday 17th December 16:50
dasigty said:
The vote was taken, the result was leave.
What the politicians tried to do was over ride the result by negotiating on things already settled, the starting point was we are leaving, they took it upon themselves to include remaining in some form or other.
Every leaver should remember that this is a bunch of politicians openly defying the result, just because they are on the losing side, it is still ignoring the vote they were a part of.
We are governed by CONSENT not dictate, its time the remainers stopped sulking and back the democratic decision that was arrived at WITH THEIR PARTICIPATION, its no longer what they want, its what kind of country they want to live in.
Theresa May has presented Brexit.What the politicians tried to do was over ride the result by negotiating on things already settled, the starting point was we are leaving, they took it upon themselves to include remaining in some form or other.
Every leaver should remember that this is a bunch of politicians openly defying the result, just because they are on the losing side, it is still ignoring the vote they were a part of.
We are governed by CONSENT not dictate, its time the remainers stopped sulking and back the democratic decision that was arrived at WITH THEIR PARTICIPATION, its no longer what they want, its what kind of country they want to live in.
It is time you Brexiteers stopped sulking and back the PM's democratic deal that was arrived through a democratic General Election, that was won with their democratic participation. What kind of country do Brexiteers want to live in.
100 years ago there were those who were opposing the widening of the right to vote, because women and working class men were seen as not educated or rational enough to understand the complexities of politics. What we are now seeing with the calls for a second vote is simply the modern incarnation of this mindset.
Piha said:
Theresa May has presented Brexit.
It is time you Brexiteers stopped sulking and back the PM's democratic deal that was arrived through a democratic General Election, that was won with their democratic participation. What kind of country do Brexiteers want to live in.
Perfectly happy to take the deal she was elected on in the GE, it was LEAVE means LEAVE, she also said no deal is better than a bad deal. It was headlined in every media outlet in the country, if you must be an EU quisling, at least own it, instead of trying to hide behind any pretence of being democratic. It is time you Brexiteers stopped sulking and back the PM's democratic deal that was arrived through a democratic General Election, that was won with their democratic participation. What kind of country do Brexiteers want to live in.
oyster said:
Makes me chuckle when I see references to such obvious Remainers and Leavers. I don't know the referendum voting record of 99% of the people I know. I don't know if they're remainers or leavers - I don't much care. They certainly don't go around with some sort of badge to show it.
Thankfully the vast majority of people I know, also keep their politics to themselves. Unlike the trend of wearing your political allegiances on their sleeve along with their, sexuality, gender preferences and whether they eat cute furry animals or not.
Piha said:
Theresa May has presented Brexit.
It is time you Brexiteers stopped sulking and back the PM's democratic deal that was arrived through a democratic General Election, that was won with their democratic participation. What kind of country do Brexiteers want to live in.
Yeah, stop sulking Brexiteers and back the PM's deal or you'll be sorry when the end of March comes round and we're not in the EU. It is time you Brexiteers stopped sulking and back the PM's democratic deal that was arrived through a democratic General Election, that was won with their democratic participation. What kind of country do Brexiteers want to live in.
oyster said:
Makes me chuckle when I see references to such obvious Remainers and Leavers. I don't know the referendum voting record of 99% of the people I know. I don't know if they're remainers or leavers - I don't much care. They certainly don't go around with some sort of badge to show it.
I do find it funny that on PH, we seem to discuss the 10% 'boundary' voters who make up the hard core Remainers and the hard core Leavers, whilst forgetting that the 90% in the middle might vote either way depending on many factors.
Do you not know any remainers on Facebook or Twitter?I do find it funny that on PH, we seem to discuss the 10% 'boundary' voters who make up the hard core Remainers and the hard core Leavers, whilst forgetting that the 90% in the middle might vote either way depending on many factors.
They literally wear badges to show it.
oyster said:
Makes me chuckle when I see references to such obvious Remainers and Leavers. I don't know the referendum voting record of 99% of the people I know. I don't know if they're remainers or leavers - I don't much care. They certainly don't go around with some sort of badge to show it.
I do find it funny that on PH, we seem to discuss the 10% 'boundary' voters who make up the hard core Remainers and the hard core Leavers, whilst forgetting that the 90% in the middle might vote either way depending on many factors.
It's been mention several times on here by manyI do find it funny that on PH, we seem to discuss the 10% 'boundary' voters who make up the hard core Remainers and the hard core Leavers, whilst forgetting that the 90% in the middle might vote either way depending on many factors.
That bit in Bold I think that's the bit all in Politics are worried about - it could swing another vote in two ways and they don't know which
Robertj21a said:
jakesmith said:
Pretty much this. Pointless from what I can see. Impossible to tell if any benefit to leave but increased likelihood of 1-50 years of economic gloom depending on who you believe
Seems a bit of a long shot that there’s sufficient benefit to bothering now
So, being able to make our own decisions without needing to check with 27 other countries isn't a sufficient benefit ?Seems a bit of a long shot that there’s sufficient benefit to bothering now
Tryke3 said:
Robertj21a said:
jakesmith said:
Pretty much this. Pointless from what I can see. Impossible to tell if any benefit to leave but increased likelihood of 1-50 years of economic gloom depending on who you believe
Seems a bit of a long shot that there’s sufficient benefit to bothering now
So, being able to make our own decisions without needing to check with 27 other countries isn't a sufficient benefit ?Seems a bit of a long shot that there’s sufficient benefit to bothering now
I haven't said anything about intervening in other countries decisions, so your 'facts' are somewhat irrelevant. My point just related to the UK needing to 'check' with 27 others.
B'stard Child said:
It's been mention several times on here by many
That bit in Bold I think that's the bit all in Politics are worried about - it could swing another vote in two ways and they don't know which
What they do know is "Middle England" is fed up to the back teeth of politicians playing fast and loose with the power they hold to push THEIR political agenda rather than the best interest of the country. Nor are we alone, the yellow jacket protests in France,Belgium,the Netherlands and Germany are a direct reaction to politicians playing global politics rather than the job they are elected for.That bit in Bold I think that's the bit all in Politics are worried about - it could swing another vote in two ways and they don't know which
They DARE NOT have another vote, despite all the guff in the MSM, the majority will not overturn the vote to leave and they know it, they will fudge and fart about until they get what THEY want, this must not be allowed to happen,
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