North Korea - how serious should we take them?
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How predictable it’s all trumps fault 
If anybody thinks Kim is going to give up his nukes anytime Soon good luck with that
He isn’t going to suddenly change overnight he’s just playing the same game his father used to play, and there is no way the us want to leave South Korea so it’s all Just fluff as per usual to give the media something to get all excited about
If anybody thinks Kim is going to give up his nukes anytime Soon good luck with that
He isn’t going to suddenly change overnight he’s just playing the same game his father used to play, and there is no way the us want to leave South Korea so it’s all Just fluff as per usual to give the media something to get all excited about
minimoog said:
NK statement in full
Wow. Ok, officials in the US should be shutting tfu and waiting to see what happens, but it seems to me that NK aren't going to be interested in any 'verifiable' de-nuclearisation that involves inspectors sniffing around for years or monitoring equipment installed here and there. I'm sure NK are expecting the US and everybody else to take them at their word - 'fraid it doesn't work like that.
Cobnapint said:
Wow.
Ok, officials in the US should be shutting tfu and waiting to see what happens, but it seems to me that NK aren't going to be interested in any 'verifiable' de-nuclearisation that involves inspectors sniffing around for years or monitoring equipment installed here and there. I'm sure NK are expecting the US and everybody else to take them at their word - 'fraid it doesn't work like that.
I posted this on the Trump thread on Monday. The NK statement does not contradict it. Pompeo's tone appears acquiescent?Ok, officials in the US should be shutting tfu and waiting to see what happens, but it seems to me that NK aren't going to be interested in any 'verifiable' de-nuclearisation that involves inspectors sniffing around for years or monitoring equipment installed here and there. I'm sure NK are expecting the US and everybody else to take them at their word - 'fraid it doesn't work like that.
minimoog said:
The Art Of The Deal
p1stonhead said:
Who cares what his promise was. It was a stupid promise and he did it only to satisfy his supporters.
All other participants have said Iran were fully complying and will try to continue the deal. The US are the ones who broke the deal there. It makes them look like their agreements are worth zip.
It shows that he is not changing his view on a whim but NK is, they had agreed to give up Nukes, they had accepted that the exercises were going to go ahead but now they have changed their mind, that is the difference.All other participants have said Iran were fully complying and will try to continue the deal. The US are the ones who broke the deal there. It makes them look like their agreements are worth zip.
If you wouldn't trust the US would you trust NK?
gruffalo said:
It shows that he is not changing his view on a whim but NK is, they had agreed to give up Nukes, they had accepted that the exercises were going to go ahead but now they have changed their mind, that is the difference.
If you wouldn't trust the US would you trust NK?
While Trump has been clearing a space on his mantle for his Peace Prize the rest of us have been sat shaking our heads thinking 'Christ this guy's dumb. NK have been pulling these stunts for decades and nothing this fool has just done means this time will be any different'.If you wouldn't trust the US would you trust NK?
So no, we wouldn't trust NK. The only people who did were those blowing smoke up Trump's arse.
minimoog said:
While Trump has been clearing a space on his mantle for his Peace Prize the rest of us have been sat shaking our heads thinking 'Christ this guy's dumb. NK have been pulling these stunts for decades and nothing this fool has just done means this time will be any different'.
So no, we wouldn't trust NK. The only people who did were those blowing smoke up Trump's arse.
Basically yes I completely agree, i don't believe there was ever a deal to be done.So no, we wouldn't trust NK. The only people who did were those blowing smoke up Trump's arse.
Manoeuvring on NK's part or not you surely have to go into these things with the best intentions, having a nice big military Drill next door isn't a great idea is it? Hows about Kim tests some rockets in the meantime? What's really to be lost by delaying it? People say this is what NK does all the time but to be fair this is Kim's first time? Why not be the big guy and give them a chance?
MDMetal said:
Manoeuvring on NK's part or not you surely have to go into these things with the best intentions, having a nice big military Drill next door isn't a great idea is it? Hows about Kim tests some rockets in the meantime? What's really to be lost by delaying it? People say this is what NK does all the time but to be fair this is Kim's first time? Why not be the big guy and give them a chance?
Seems incredible misguided to hold them now to be honest. I dont understand why no one thought it wasnt necessary right now.jmorgan said:
This is a routine training exercise that happens every year. Every year the North Koreans declare it is a spin up for war. Same with ULCHI FOCUS LENS / ULCHI FREEDOM GUARDIAN in Aug and RSO&I in the Spring.mko9 said:
jmorgan said:
This is a routine training exercise that happens every year. Every year the North Koreans declare it is a spin up for war. Same with ULCHI FOCUS LENS / ULCHI FREEDOM GUARDIAN in Aug and RSO&I in the Spring.MDMetal said:
mko9 said:
jmorgan said:
This is a routine training exercise that happens every year. Every year the North Koreans declare it is a spin up for war. Same with ULCHI FOCUS LENS / ULCHI FREEDOM GUARDIAN in Aug and RSO&I in the Spring.NK don't want peace if the north and south make up and become friends how will piue boy keep his people under control?
His existence rely s on the status quo continuing.
Edited by gruffalo on Wednesday 16th May 14:56
gruffalo said:
MDMetal said:
mko9 said:
jmorgan said:
This is a routine training exercise that happens every year. Every year the North Koreans declare it is a spin up for war. Same with ULCHI FOCUS LENS / ULCHI FREEDOM GUARDIAN in Aug and RSO&I in the Spring.NK don't want peace if the north and south make up and become friends how will piue boy keep his people under control?
His existence rely s on the status quo continuing.
Edited by gruffalo on Wednesday 16th May 14:56
"Hey guys that thing we do every year that really pisses them off, shall we cancel it this year what with the peace talks and all?"
"Nah"
MDMetal said:
Ok but everyone wants peace right? I see NK being pretty conciliatory, handing over 3 POW's saying what they're willing to do.. fast forward a few weeks and the US insists on holding it's drills. Who looks like they're not serious about fixing things?
POWs? They were civilians.The BBC had an interesting comment on it, seemingly NK had suggested they were fine with the exercise proceeding but after Secretary of State referenced Libya approach this weekend it triggered them to the current reaction as they saw what happened after Libya gave theirs up. SO it could be down to clumsy statesmanship rather than aggressive US / SK posturing
From what I've heard here, NK's threat was based entirely on Sec-State spouting off and not to do with the exercise. The press release that some one posted earlier does't mention the exercise. Maybe all parties involved should STFU in public, I know that's difficult for a politician, but it would help.
Mannginger said:
The BBC had an interesting comment on it, seemingly NK had suggested they were fine with the exercise proceeding but after Secretary of State referenced Libya approach this weekend it triggered them to the current reaction as they saw what happened after Libya gave theirs up. SO it could be down to clumsy statesmanship rather than aggressive US / SK posturing
That could be it'we're gonna do a great deal here, the best, just like we did in LIbya.'
everyone looks at LIbya
'oh sheeeeeeetttttt.'
Kim is jumping the gun on this. You'd think he'd have saved events like this for post negotiating table.
Further evidence that he thinks that 'his' word and members of the press (controlled by minders) taking a few photos will be enough to convince the world that he's a reformed man.
http://news.sky.com/story/live-sky-news-reports-fr...
Further evidence that he thinks that 'his' word and members of the press (controlled by minders) taking a few photos will be enough to convince the world that he's a reformed man.
http://news.sky.com/story/live-sky-news-reports-fr...
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