45th President of the United States, Donald Trump (Vol. 12)

[Fast and Spurious]

paulguitar said:

Fast and Spurious said:

because he tried to post an alternative view, (shared by roughly half of the US!),

It's not half of the US. trump won the election with around 63 million votes in 2016, from 240 million eligible voters, so around 26.25% of eligible voters chose trump.

This makes the USA look slightly less ridiculous than it might appear at first.

So 32.65% of eligible voters chose Biden.

This makes the USA look slightly less ridiculous than it might appear at first.

What's your point?

Edited by Fast and Spurious on Sunday 20th June 22:46

[paulguitar]

Fast and Spurious said:

paulguitar said:

Fast and Spurious said:

because he tried to post an alternative view, (shared by roughly half of the US!),

It's not half of the US. trump won the election with around 63 million votes in 2016, from 240 million eligible voters, so around 26.25% of eligible voters chose trump.

This makes the USA look slightly less ridiculous than it might appear at first.

So 29.65% of eligible voters chose Biden.

This makes the USA look slightly less ridiculous than it might appear at first.

Well, it doesn't work that way around, since Biden is not a sociopathic, traitorous lunatic, he's not organized an attack on his own country or tried to ignore a deadly pandemic.

[Fast and Spurious]

paulguitar said:

Well, it doesn't work that way around, since Biden is not a sociopathic, traitorous lunatic, he's not organized an attack on his own country or tried to ignore a deadly pandemic.

Oh ok then. You are quite clearly a well balanced individual capable of having a sensible debate.
You sound unhinged, to be quite honest.

[paulguitar]

Fast and Spurious said:

paulguitar said:

Well, it doesn't work that way around, since Biden is not a sociopathic, traitorous lunatic, he's not organized an attack on his own country or tried to ignore a deadly pandemic.

Oh ok then. You are quite clearly a well balanced individual capable of having a sensible debate.
You sound unhinged, to be quite honest.

Thanks.

Can you point to any inaccuracies?

[HM-2]

Fast and Spurious said:

paulguitar said:

Fast and Spurious said:

because he tried to post an alternative view, (shared by roughly half of the US!),

It's not half of the US. trump won the election with around 63 million votes in 2016, from 240 million eligible voters, so around 26.25% of eligible voters chose trump.

This makes the USA look slightly less ridiculous than it might appear at first.

So 32.65% of eligible voters chose Biden.

This makes the USA look slightly less ridiculous than it might appear at first.

To be fair our own electoral system is no better. The current administration won a landslide in the 2019 election on about 29.3% of the registered vote and closer to 25% of those technically eligible.

[Fast and Spurious]

paulguitar said:

Thanks.

Can you point to any inaccuracies?

Yes. We spell organised with a S.
Apart from that? I don't want to get into a childish argument with you, as that's all it can ever be while you have your pants in a twist. I would love to have a sensible, open debate on the subject but you are seemingly incapable of that. Look at your responses above... only 26.25% etc, silly whataboutery. And that's why this thread ended up the way it did: an echo chamber for a few fringe Brits furious that most Americans voted in the wrong bloke.

[Macroni18]

paulguitar said:

Well, it doesn't work that way around, since Biden is not a sociopathic, traitorous lunatic, he's not organized an attack on his own country or tried to ignore a deadly pandemic.

Now this is fun. Please go on

[paulguitar]

Fast and Spurious said:

Yes. We spell organised with a S.
Apart from that? I don't want to get into a childish argument with you, as that's all it can ever be while you have your pants in a twist. I would love to have a sensible, open debate on the subject but you are seemingly incapable of that. Look at your responses above... only 26.25% etc, silly whataboutery. And that's why this thread ended up the way it did: an echo chamber for a few fringe Brits furious that most Americans voted in the wrong bloke.

Okay, so you've got nothing then.

Thanks for clarifying.

[Fast and Spurious]

paulguitar said:

Fast and Spurious said:

Yes. We spell organised with a S.
Apart from that? I don't want to get into a childish argument with you, as that's all it can ever be while you have your pants in a twist. I would love to have a sensible, open debate on the subject but you are seemingly incapable of that. Look at your responses above... only 26.25% etc, silly whataboutery. And that's why this thread ended up the way it did: an echo chamber for a few fringe Brits furious that most Americans voted in the wrong bloke.

Okay, so you've got nothing then.

Thanks for clarifying.

I really don't know how anyone can even attempt to engage with someone like you when you give such childish responses. If you are an adult I suggest you act like one: you are doing yourself a great disservice.

[anonymous-user]

I’ve read this thread consistently since the start and thanks Byker here a few times for his huge contributions. Now I see PH has banned him! I’d like to also register my dismay at what seems to be a very poorly reasoned decision.

One less reason to regularly visit PH now, and I gather MX5B also banned from a thread. Just like in the real world, why bother listening to experts (professional or amateur), when we can just all shout a lot and behave like idiots. What an absolute shame on PH.

[paulguitar]

Fast and Spurious said:

paulguitar said:

Fast and Spurious said:

Yes. We spell organised with a S.
Apart from that? I don't want to get into a childish argument with you, as that's all it can ever be while you have your pants in a twist. I would love to have a sensible, open debate on the subject but you are seemingly incapable of that. Look at your responses above... only 26.25% etc, silly whataboutery. And that's why this thread ended up the way it did: an echo chamber for a few fringe Brits furious that most Americans voted in the wrong bloke.

Okay, so you've got nothing then.

Thanks for clarifying.

I really don't know how anyone can even attempt to engage with someone like you when you give such childish responses. If you are an adult I suggest you act like one: you are doing yourself a great disservice.

I asked you to point out any inaccuracies which you are apparently unable/unwilling to do.

So we're at an impasse. If you can engage, please do so.

[928 GTS]

Fast and Spurious said:

most Americans voted in the wrong bloke.

Most Americans did not vote for wrong bloke. Worryingly large number of Americas voted for sociopathic and traitorous lunatic who lost. There is no need to discuss about that at all. That's just a fact which those who voted for him refuse to acknowledge.

[tangerine_sedge]

Grifters have got to continue to grift - Trump begging for more money - Happy Fathers Day losers! - Yahoo! news link

Trump says "windmillls kill everything", previously said that the noise caused cancer! - Daily Express link

More stories proving the genius of trump....

...and one to show that Qanon followers are starting to question things...

trump grifting tour dates, but surely he'll be reinstated as president by then? - Qanon starting to realise that none of their predictions have ever come true and neither will this one - Newsweek link

[swanny71]

Been away for the weekend - Byker got banned for posting news articles?
I assume some cry baby reported his posts?
Mods - give your heads a wobble for fks sake.

[Eric Mc]

Even though Byker has almost single-handedly kept this thread running for years, I was always a bit concerned that his propensity for lifting entire quotes and articles from published news sources was going to get him into trouble.

It's been a long standing rule on PH that we weren't supposed to be doing that.

[Short Grain]

swanny71 said:

Been away for the weekend - Byker got banned for posting news articles?
I assume some cry baby reported his posts?
Mods - give your heads a wobble for fks sake.

+1 and everyone else who dropped into ph towers to get regular updates from Byker!!

less traffic for ph, well done that mod!!

[silentbrown]

Eric Mc said:

Even though Byker has almost single-handedly kept this thread running for years, I was always a bit concerned that his propensity for lifting entire quotes and articles from published news sources was going to get him into trouble.

It's been a long standing rule on PH that we weren't supposed to be doing that.

Isn't "entire quotes" an oxymoron?

I don't recall anything more than snippets being posted, although some could have been trimmed further. Links to the source were also there (although you can probably find a few cases where they're missing)

The thread's been running long enough (and been well moderated for most of that time) that any issues with his quoting style could have been flagged much earlier.

[rscott]

Eric Mc said:

Even though Byker has almost single-handedly kept this thread running for years, I was always a bit concerned that his propensity for lifting entire quotes and articles from published news sources was going to get him into trouble.

It's been a long standing rule on PH that we weren't supposed to be doing that.

He's been doing it for over 5 years though without any comment from mods, even though several posted in the threads. Then he received a complete ban from the thread, without any warnings at all.

If they're suddenly changing how rules are enforced, it's only fair to give a warning first.

[APontus]

Why was Byker banned from the Biden thread?

[Eric Mc]

rscott said:

He's been doing it for over 5 years though without any comment from mods, even though several posted in the threads. Then he received a complete ban from the thread, without any warnings at all.

If they're suddenly changing how rules are enforced, it's only fair to give a warning first.

I always felt it was only a matter of time. I'm surprised they let him get away with it for so long.

I am always extremely careful if using some other website to back up something I am saying. I certainly don't copy and paste whole tracts of material, as Byker was wont to do.