45th President of the United States, Donald Trump (Vol. 12)

[PRTVR]

eldar said:

PRTVR said:

Maybe that's the point, instead of being a discussion it turned into a soapbox for Byker28i.

No one had to join, participate or view the thread, it was an individual choice. It is clear it was closed down by complainants afraid of what was being said and partial moderation.

If you don't like a thread don't watch or join, don't be like the kid that takes their ball home because they are losing.

I have never hit the report button in all the time I have been here, life is to short, I was just expressing an opinion on a possible reason for the ban.

[HM-2]

PRTVR said:

eldar said:

PRTVR said:

Maybe that's the point, instead of being a discussion it turned into a soapbox for Byker28i.

No one had to join, participate or view the thread, it was an individual choice. It is clear it was closed down by complainants afraid of what was being said and partial moderation.

If you don't like a thread don't watch or join, don't be like the kid that takes their ball home because they are losing.

I have never hit the report button in all the time I have been here, life is to short, I was just expressing an opinion on a possible reason for the ban.

Returning to a point I previously made, do you really consider less than 5% of the posts on this thread to be a "soapbox"? Seems a bit unreasonable. 7% of the posts on the GB News thread are from me, presumably that's also my "soapbox"?

Edited by HM-2 on Monday 21st June 13:18

[aparna]

captain_cynic said:

This.

The powers that be need to decide just what kind of audience they want for this site.

BTW, anyone know of any good alternatives to PH?

This is the condurum. As what makes PH forums good is the wide range of opinions, which probably better reflect the average UK citizen vs more strictly moderated forums.

However it seems to me it’s increasingly pandering to any ever smaller niche who presumably report less. So losing that key advantage.

MX5 and byker is the visible tip of the iceberg, I suspect.

[Old Man Fred]

captain_cynic said:

Tartan Pixie said:

Adding my voice to say that banning Byker with no warning and no opportunity to amend errant behaviour was a terrible piece of moderation.

PH need to decide whether being a hub for anti-vaxers, conspiracy theorists and loons is a good look for their business.

This.

The powers that be need to decide just what kind of audience they want for this site.

BTW, anyone know of any good alternatives to PH?

Another frequent reader and occasional poster here disappointed at the seemly cowardly moderating by quoting a rule as to why someone was banned, when it has nothing to do with the reason given and shows the correct procedures were not followed by the mods. This thread was my go to thread with my morning cuppa and my main reason to visit the site

[PRTVR]

HM-2 said:

PRTVR said:

eldar said:

PRTVR said:

Maybe that's the point, instead of being a discussion it turned into a soapbox for Byker28i.

No one had to join, participate or view the thread, it was an individual choice. It is clear it was closed down by complainants afraid of what was being said and partial moderation.

If you don't like a thread don't watch or join, don't be like the kid that takes their ball home because they are losing.

I have never hit the report button in all the time I have been here, life is to short, I was just expressing an opinion on a possible reason for the ban.

Returning to a point I previously made, do you really consider less than 5% of the posts on this thread to be a "soapbox"? Seems a bit unreasonable.

As with all statistics timescale is important, my reference was concerning only the last few months .
Ultimately ìts all irrelevant as the moderators decision is final, irrespective of our own views.

[paulguitar]

PRTVR said:

Ultimately ìts all irrelevant as the moderators decision is final, irrespective of our own views.

I think they've said this is under discussion, haven't they?

Hopefully, we will hear from them before too long about what's happened.

[wombat172a]

Old Man Fred said:

captain_cynic said:

Tartan Pixie said:

Adding my voice to say that banning Byker with no warning and no opportunity to amend errant behaviour was a terrible piece of moderation.

PH need to decide whether being a hub for anti-vaxers, conspiracy theorists and loons is a good look for their business.

This.

The powers that be need to decide just what kind of audience they want for this site.

BTW, anyone know of any good alternatives to PH?

Another frequent reader and occasional poster here disappointed at the seemly cowardly moderating by quoting a rule as to why someone was banned, when it has nothing to do with the reason given and shows the correct procedures were not followed by the mods. This thread was my go to thread with my morning cuppa and my main reason to visit the site

I'm adding my support here too, I don't post very often, but I have been reading this thread almost daily and the main reason for my visit here. I'm sure there are probably many other silent lurkers. This seems like a very odd decision to me, but I guess not for us to question.

[Ben Lowden]

For clarity with Byker28i - they have not been banned from PH, but were put in the Sin Bin for me to have a word with today. I appreciate a couple of days may feel like an eternity with fast moving threads such as this, but they're now out of the bin and able to post again.

So time to move on and get things back on track with the thread please, no need for any further derailment.

[paulguitar]

Ben Lowden said:

For clarity with Byker28i - they have not been banned from PH, but were put in the Sin Bin for me to have a word with today. I appreciate a couple of days may feel like an eternity with fast moving threads such as this, but they're now out of the bin and able to post again.

So time to move on and get things back on track with the thread please, no need for any further derailment.

Great news, hurrah!

[rscott]

Ben Lowden said:

For clarity with Byker28i - they have not been banned from PH, but were put in the Sin Bin for me to have a word with today. I appreciate a couple of days may feel like an eternity with fast moving threads such as this, but they're now out of the bin and able to post again.

So time to move on and get things back on track with the thread please, no need for any further derailment.

Thanks Ben. Could you clarify whether they way Byker28i posts news articles is still acceptable though? It'll avoid any further confusion about Rule 16...

[Old Man Fred]

paulguitar said:

Ben Lowden said:

For clarity with Byker28i - they have not been banned from PH, but were put in the Sin Bin for me to have a word with today. I appreciate a couple of days may feel like an eternity with fast moving threads such as this, but they're now out of the bin and able to post again.

So time to move on and get things back on track with the thread please, no need for any further derailment.

Great news, hurrah!

i hate myself for doing this, but..
+1

[Northernboy]

Ben Lowden said:

For clarity with Byker28i - they have not been banned from PH, but were put in the Sin Bin for me to have a word with today. I appreciate a couple of days may feel like an eternity with fast moving threads such as this, but they're now out of the bin and able to post again.

So time to move on and get things back on track with the thread please, no need for any further derailment.

Any chance you and the others could drop the insults tagged onto the emails informing people of a ban?

What do you think it adds to allow an anonymous dig like that with no right of reply?

[APontus]

So pleased for Byker. Can't wait for his next update.

[Al Gorithum]

Ben Lowden said:

ere put in the Sin Bin for me to have a word with today.

You may want to have a word with yourself also. Allowing utter garbage that's gone on in this and other threads, then banning a valuable contributor. Not cool. At all...

[silentbrown]

Yay!

rscott said:

Could you clarify whether they way Byker28i posts news articles is still acceptable though? It'll avoid any further confusion about Rule 16...

+1

...and back on topic, there's a Supreme Court opinion due today on GOP vote suppression in AZ.



https://twitter.com/marceelias/status/140695638783...

[BadBull]

Common sense for once but the moderation here has gone to the dogs in general.

[Ben Lowden]

rscott said:

Thanks Ben. Could you clarify whether they way Byker28i posts news articles is still acceptable though? It'll avoid any further confusion about Rule 16...

Copying and pasting copy from another site is in breach of rule 16 and is not acceptable, however I will ask our legal team if we're able to provide any more clarity on this rule. If anything changes, we'll update the rules of posting and alert forum users of the change.

Northernboy said:

Any chance you and the others could drop the insults tagged onto the emails informing people of a ban?

I most certainly don't add insults to any action and if this is being done, would urge anyone to send this to me at [e-mail] for investigation.

Al Gorithum said:

You may want to have a word with yourself also. Allowing utter garbage that's gone on in this and other threads, then banning a valuable contributor. Not cool. At all...

For clarity, Byker28i has not been banned. If the utter garbage you're referring to is a breach of our rules of posting (and not just your opinion) then please feel free to use the report function for us to investigate.

[Al Gorithum]

Ben Lowden said:

For clarity, Byker28i has not been banned. If the utter garbage you're referring to is a breach of our rules of posting (and not just your opinion) then please feel free to use the report function for us to investigate.

Thanks. "Utter garbage" refers to the lies and misinformation disseminated by those who appear to have nefarious motives or are just badly-informed.

Personally I'm not invested enough to report anybody, and life's too short.

Have you reviewed Byker28's ban on the Biden thread? Because you should...

[citizensm1th]

Ben can you clarify if pasting copy from other sites included screenshots if it does you may want to look at the flight radar thread as it is nothing but screenshots of another websites content and it has been going on for years

[rscott]

Ben Lowden said:

rscott said:

Thanks Ben. Could you clarify whether they way Byker28i posts news articles is still acceptable though? It'll avoid any further confusion about Rule 16...

Copying and pasting copy from another site is in breach of rule 16 and is not acceptable, however I will ask our legal team if we're able to provide any more clarity on this rule. If anything changes, we'll update the rules of posting and alert forum users of the change.

Byker28i's been posting excerpts from the linked sites in the same way for 5+ years, but was sin binned for it.
If PH are now going to enforce Rule 16 (which they're perfectly entitled to do - it's their forum) , wouldn't it be a good idea to clearly communicate that to posters, rather than block one over the weekend with no warning?