North Korea - how serious should we take them?
Discussion
Mothersruin said:
What's happens if the curtain is raised for the North Korean people and they suddenly have their world exposed as one massive lie?
I know, talk about culture shock, it'd be like those Amazonian tribes. I read a book written by one of the only escapees from a NK prison camp 'Escape from Camp 14' and whilst the author changed elements in the story subsequently, it was interesting to see how, without reference to the outside world and with a diet of constant doctrine you could find yourself doing things quite happily that would be unimaginable to us.Its fairly clear from what was said at the meeting by Trump 'we will have a tremendous relationship' that to me, Kim understands that flattering Trump and being on his 'team' for even one second will probably mean Trump will give him anything he wants. The only thing Trump seems to care about is if people are on 'his side' - his ego is that big.
Call me a cynic but lets not forget this is a meeting between possibly the biggest narccist in the world, and a brutal murderous dictator. Kim has literal death camps.
Hopefully it comes good but these are not people who in the past have done anything but for themselves.
Call me a cynic but lets not forget this is a meeting between possibly the biggest narccist in the world, and a brutal murderous dictator. Kim has literal death camps.
Hopefully it comes good but these are not people who in the past have done anything but for themselves.
The Chinese will have had a massive influence on any change plus south Korea have already made inroads but of course it will be TRUMP who makes the historic deal.....lets wait and see and if any deal lasts. Trump seems to like Russia, but not Europe, Canada or South American countries its all weird.
LOL
“Dennis Rodman weeps with joy over Trump-Kim summit”
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/391752...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dAJLJRRJY3E
The CNN blokes face when Rodman starts going off on one...
“Dennis Rodman weeps with joy over Trump-Kim summit”
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/391752...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dAJLJRRJY3E
The CNN blokes face when Rodman starts going off on one...
Edited by BlackLabel on Tuesday 12th June 10:04
Cobnapint said:
Jaw dropping scenes, but I have to wonder if full surrender of nukes and verification etc etc is in the agreement, or has Kim taken top tips from China on how easy it is to massage Trumps colossal ego and will just carry on developing after all the handshaking.
I think China has more influence than has been let on, but I'd also like to think that at some point Kim just can't be bothered any more with the North Korea thing. The official end of the war coming, meetings with not just Trump but also South Korean leaders. Has Kim softened and wants to change the direction of his country? South Korea is one off the most advanced and richest countries on the planet. China is a superpower and technologically advanced, you'd have to be a retard of the highest order to be sitting back in that craphole and not want to partake in some of that modernity. This could be a similar journey that Vietnam took, maybe a 20-30 year opening of North Korea.
Abbott said:
If there is only Trump & Kim in the room (+ interpreters), given the recent "he said she said" a the G7 how can anyone trust what either of them say when they come out of the meeting. The only thing that will be believable will be if they both agree and say the same thing on exit which I find highly unlikely
I will eat my hatAbbott said:
Abbott said:
If there is only Trump & Kim in the room (+ interpreters), given the recent "he said she said" a the G7 how can anyone trust what either of them say when they come out of the meeting. The only thing that will be believable will be if they both agree and say the same thing on exit which I find highly unlikely
I will eat my hatYou would like to think that Mike Pompeo knows what he’s doing, he has an interesting history - a captain in the US army, a graduate from Harvard law school, worked for a top US law firm, a multi term congressman, former head of the CIA and now Secretary of State. The North Koreans may be able to fool Trump with a bit of flattery however the likes of Pompeo won’t be fooled easily one would hope. If the North Koreans are playing games we’ll soon find out.
BlackLabel said:
You would like to think that Mike Pompeo knows what he’s doing, he has an interesting history - a captain in the US army, a graduate from Harvard law school, worked for a top US law firm, a multi term congressman, former head of the CIA and now Secretary of State. The North Koreans may be able to fool Trump with a bit of flattery however the likes of Pompeo won’t be fooled easily one would hope. If the North Koreans are playing games we’ll soon find out.
Just how much does Trump listen tho, he's arrogant in the extreme and fully self believing?Maybe a great deal will come of this but as said above China are probably the puppet masters here.
BlackLabel said:
You would like to think that Mike Pompeo knows what he’s doing, he has an interesting history - a captain in the US army, a graduate from Harvard law school, worked for a top US law firm, a multi term congressman, former head of the CIA and now Secretary of State. The North Koreans may be able to fool Trump with a bit of flattery however the likes of Pompeo won’t be fooled easily one would hope. If the North Koreans are playing games we’ll soon find out.
From what I've seen of Trump since he came to the POTUS role, and from what I've seen of Kim over the past couple of months or so...It's not Kim I'm worried about.
BlackLabel said:
You would like to think that Mike Pompeo knows what he’s doing, he has an interesting history - a captain in the US army, a graduate from Harvard law school, worked for a top US law firm, a multi term congressman, former head of the CIA and now Secretary of State. The North Koreans may be able to fool Trump with a bit of flattery however the likes of Pompeo won’t be fooled easily one would hope. If the North Koreans are playing games we’ll soon find out.
If NK was flooded with 10,000 UN observers/weapons inspectors, who all said the NKs had got rid of all nuclear capability... would you believe it? I certainly wouldn't.But did it ever really matter? The threat in NK is a conventional war and the casualties against Seoul.
And no I don't think he does know what he is doing. Maintaining the previous status quo was what the US needed in the region. Now their position is massively undermined.
SK as a military position has very little to do with NK, and everything to do with it's close proximity to Beijing.
Whilst Trump may have bargained for he US to maintain a presence in SK, I expect we will start to see China/Russia & NK start to pressure them to leave and the reasons for staying have just shrunk a huge amount.
Having said all of this, for the rest of the world all of this is a rather good step forwards, one I did not expect the US would push for!
Edited by Efbe on Wednesday 13th June 00:33
Efbe said:
If NK was flooded with 10,000 UN observers/weapons inspectors, who all said the NKs had got rid of all nuclear capability... would you believe it? I certainly wouldn't.
But did it ever really matter? The threat in NK is a conventional war and the casualties against Seoul.
And no I don't think he does know what he is doing. Maintaining the previous status quo was what the US needed in the region. Now their position is massively undermined.
SK as a military position has very little to do with NK, and everything to do with it's close proximity to Beijing.
Whilst Trump may have bargained for he US to maintain a presence in SK, I expect we will start to see China/Russia & NK start to pressure them to leave and the reasons for staying have just shrunk a huge amount.
Having said all of this, for the rest of the world all of this is a rather good step forwards, one I did not expect the US would push for!
The only way the US won't have a leg to stand on in SK is if the North and South sign a peace agreement officially ending the war between them. Looking at all the backslapping going on between Moon and Kim in the DMZ, I'm surprised this hasn't happened yet.But did it ever really matter? The threat in NK is a conventional war and the casualties against Seoul.
And no I don't think he does know what he is doing. Maintaining the previous status quo was what the US needed in the region. Now their position is massively undermined.
SK as a military position has very little to do with NK, and everything to do with it's close proximity to Beijing.
Whilst Trump may have bargained for he US to maintain a presence in SK, I expect we will start to see China/Russia & NK start to pressure them to leave and the reasons for staying have just shrunk a huge amount.
Having said all of this, for the rest of the world all of this is a rather good step forwards, one I did not expect the US would push for!
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