Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. Vol 4
Discussion
Kawasicki said:
Very interesting, though quite predictable...some seriously dodgy “science”
https://judithcurry.com/2018/01/03/manufacturing-c...
Just purchased the Kindle version - I'll read and post up a review later.https://judithcurry.com/2018/01/03/manufacturing-c...
AreOut said:
they will have to get used to it , though it's f
k all to do with cagw . amo heading into the cold phase ,temperate zone contracts bringing the clash between cooler northern air and warmer southern air further south . that is why more" extreme" weather events occurred during cooler periods in the past and will do in the future. anyone that suggests a mild warming of the upper latitudes is "bad" in any way whatsoever needs shooting , preferably multiple times just to make sure their stupidity gene spreads no further.for those with a more idiot tolerant attitude shooting might be considered a bit much, so we could just make them live on baffin island until they are cured of the notion warmer is "bad".
LongQ said:
Seems it's a bit chilly in North America too.
Or, as the BBC headline makes out, "brutal" cold.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42506726
Weather can be so interesting in many ways.
Last night I heard them mention the extreme cold and "global warming" in the same breath, seemingly not even noticing the dichotomy.Or, as the BBC headline makes out, "brutal" cold.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42506726
Weather can be so interesting in many ways.
Engineer792 said:
LongQ said:
Seems it's a bit chilly in North America too.
Or, as the BBC headline makes out, "brutal" cold.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42506726
Weather can be so interesting in many ways.
Last night I heard them mention the extreme cold and "global warming" in the same breath, seemingly not even noticing the dichotomy.Or, as the BBC headline makes out, "brutal" cold.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42506726
Weather can be so interesting in many ways.
This, of course, would seem quite normal since if any sort of "average" temperature is to be maintained the heat has to be around somewhere unless a very sudden and large loss to space (or loss of sun energy input) has occurred. It was just not clearly presented that way for some reason.
"US shivers amid record break lows"
With a straight face Mayor Monty Python said:
If anyone wants to question global warming, just see where the flood zones are
Engineer792 said:
Last night I heard them mention the extreme cold and "global warming" in the same breath, seemingly not even noticing the dichotomy.
As predicted years ago, an overall warming leads to more energy in the troposphere and more extreme weather events. Record warm temperatures in one region and record cold in another and record floods etc in different areas. It’s still an overall increase and rate of increase in temperature. El stovey said:
Engineer792 said:
Last night I heard them mention the extreme cold and "global warming" in the same breath, seemingly not even noticing the dichotomy.
As predicted years ago, an overall warming leads to more energy in the troposphere and more extreme weather events. Record warm temperatures in one region and record cold in another and record floods etc in different areas. It’s still an overall increase and rate of increase in temperature. All angles covered in the models.
That's why the London Ice Fairs were really a symptom of Global Warming induced by the increasing population and felling a heck of a lot of forest for fuel, farming and ships, probably in reverse order.
Thinking about it, has anyone ever published the graphs for the expected changes in extreme cold measurements predicted by the modeling of the extra energy in the system?
ETA: Looks like the EPA has had a go at it. Sort of.
https://www.epa.gov/climate-indicators/climate-cha...
Edited by LongQ on Saturday 6th January 17:17
El stovey said:
Engineer792 said:
Last night I heard them mention the extreme cold and "global warming" in the same breath, seemingly not even noticing the dichotomy.
As predicted years ago, an overall warming leads to more energy in the troposphere and more extreme weather events. Record warm temperatures in one region and record cold in another and record floods etc in different areas. It’s still an overall increase and rate of increase in temperature. Diderot said:
El stovey said:
Engineer792 said:
Last night I heard them mention the extreme cold and "global warming" in the same breath, seemingly not even noticing the dichotomy.
As predicted years ago, an overall warming leads to more energy in the troposphere and more extreme weather events. Record warm temperatures in one region and record cold in another and record floods etc in different areas. It’s still an overall increase and rate of increase in temperature. The Climate Mafia said:
Hotter, colder, wetter, drier, all by the wonder of man made CO2. Hallelujah, brothers and sisters, hallelujah...keep the faith, send the money, send the money, we'll bring forth the ice age we all crave...
Strewth...Will somebody cushion that wall for me, it's hurting my head...
El stovey said:
As predicted years ago, an overall warming leads to more energy in the troposphere and more extreme weather events. Record warm temperatures in one region and record cold in another and record floods etc in different areas. It’s still an overall increase and rate of increase in temperature.
There's no anthropogenic signal visible in TOA radiative imbalance data so you must be discussing a natural change of some sort.You might like to get in touch with Dr K Trenberth via the IPCC as he has no idea where the missing heat / energy is going, iif you spotted it in the troposphere that's a favour he owes you. Nobody else has seen it, including the fabled absent tropical hotpot...seeing invisible things must be quite marvellous for those with sufficient faith.
What was predicted long before the politicisation of climate science, and in keeping with sound science as opposed to agw junkscience, is that extreme weather increases with global cooling, the exact opposite of your supportive punt for greater energy/heat. The easily understandable explanation for this has been posted in response to numerous attrition loops as per your post above.
The recent decadal rate of temperature increase from UAH LTT data is utterly pedestrian and nowhere close to being outside natural variation. You must also surely be intelligent enough (unless you say otherwise) to realise that any trend at all has no causality attached to it per se.
HNY
Diderot said:
El stovey said:
Engineer792 said:
Last night I heard them mention the extreme cold and "global warming" in the same breath, seemingly not even noticing the dichotomy.
As predicted years ago, an overall warming leads to more energy in the troposphere and more extreme weather events. Record warm temperatures in one region and record cold in another and record floods etc in different areas. It’s still an overall increase and rate of increase in temperature. El stovey said:
Nothing to do with Al Gore. If you heat something up, the molecules move around more. There’s more ability to hold moisture and more energy in the atmosphere. Leading to an increase in weather record of all kinds, overall though, the temperature increases.
Still trying to teach your granny to suck eggs then, I see!Don't worry though, after a long search, the BBC did discover this little warm record, so we can all sleep easier without having to worry where the heat has gone to.
Or do you still lie awake worrying whether a few warm January nights in Nome cause more damage than a few cool July days in Canberra?
mondeoman said:
Riiiiiight
Which bit are you struggling with?Heating makes things like water and air expand.
Warm air holds more moisture than cold air.
A warmer atmosphere will have stronger pressure gradients..
The increase in temperature and greater pressure differentials and increases in moisture will lead to extremes of weather of all kinds.
Engineer792 said:
Or do you still lie awake worrying whether a few warm January nights in Nome cause more damage than a few cool July days in Canberra?
Although your post makes no sense, I don’t lie awake worrying about the weather at all.I’m simply pointing out to the posters why both cold and warm weather events and rains and droughts can all result from warmer temperatures globally.
El stovey said:
Engineer792 said:
Or do you still lie awake worrying whether a few warm January nights in Nome cause more damage than a few cool July days in Canberra?
Although your post makes no sense, I don’t lie awake worrying about the weather at all.I’m simply pointing out to the posters why both cold and warm weather events and rains and droughts can all result from warmer temperatures globally.
Perhaps you'd care to begin by pointing out how warmer temperatures globally result in higher temperature differentials
Engineer792 said:
El stovey said:
Engineer792 said:
Or do you still lie awake worrying whether a few warm January nights in Nome cause more damage than a few cool July days in Canberra?
Although your post makes no sense, I don’t lie awake worrying about the weather at all.I’m simply pointing out to the posters why both cold and warm weather events and rains and droughts can all result from warmer temperatures globally.
Perhaps you'd care to begin by pointing out how warmer temperatures globally result in higher temperature differentials
El stovey said:
Engineer792 said:
El stovey said:
Engineer792 said:
Or do you still lie awake worrying whether a few warm January nights in Nome cause more damage than a few cool July days in Canberra?
Although your post makes no sense, I don’t lie awake worrying about the weather at all.I’m simply pointing out to the posters why both cold and warm weather events and rains and droughts can all result from warmer temperatures globally.
Perhaps you'd care to begin by pointing out how warmer temperatures globally result in higher temperature differentials
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