How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 3)

[bitchstewie]

citizensm1th said:

I am unhappy we are going through with brexit but not unhappy that it is turning into a clusterfk

I struggle with that.

Regardless of whether we stay or leave I want it to be a success, our future depends on it.

Sitting there saying "Told you so" if people are out of a job shouldn't be a scenario anyone wants to be in IMO.

It is a clusterfk but once you get beyond "Well you voted for it", the consequences are serious.

[gooner1]

citizensm1th said:

p1stonhead said:

gooner1 said:

citizensm1th said:

I think it would be in the interests of the EU to accept the deal as best they can as it has been noted it effectively hamstrings the UK. maybe try to get a few small concessions from May just to make it look like they are not putting the UK in the lobster pot when in fact they are.

So on the premis of your claim that the Brexit currently being put to the EU is
what every Leaver voted for, and they need to own it, then presumably if the
E.U reject it, the no deal that follows will be what every Remainer voted for and you will
embrace it. Glad we cleared that up.

No. Remain voters voted to remain i.e do nothing.

Leave voters voted for whatever else happens out of the million possibilities.

Exactly , and it is amusing to watch brexiteers wriggle on the hook of their own making

want brexit but hating the brexit they have achieved through the tories

they should have been cautious about what they wished for.

What Brexit has been achieved?
Btw, that hooks big enough for us all to wriggle on, unfortunately the tune that accompanies
the wriggling won't be one of your choosing whatever transpires.

[powerstroke]

citizensm1th said:

Well i did my best to try to persuade my country not to damage itself. my country did not listen and decided to inflict damage to My future prospects and others like me. why on earth should i care about those who would happily damage my prospects to further their own? as the perceive it

How is it being damaged? we seem to be doing ok in spite of the actions of our appalling tory government..

[citizensm1th]

SpeckledJim said:

citizensm1th said:

Tuna said:

You're not the only one on here who feels that way, it seems. It's not really a concept I can get my head around - to actually wish damage on your country because you didn't get your way.
.

Well i did my best to try to persuade my country not to damage itself. my country did not listen and decided to inflict damage to My future prospects and others like me. why on earth should i care about those who would happily damage my prospects to further their own? as the perceive it

What percentage chance would you assign to the possibility you might be wrong?

I'm 85-90% confident I'm right about Brexit.

You?

As i have already said i am a proponent of a united states of europe as a necessary counter to the other three big world powers in the years to come.

I'm 85-90% confident I'm right about Brexit.

[don'tbesilly]

sidicks said:

citizensm1th said:

Well i did my best to try to persuade my country not to damage itself. my country did not listen and decided to inflict damage to My future prospects and others like me. why on earth should i care about those who would happily damage my prospects to further their own? as the perceive it

What ‘rotten consequences’ are you personally facing as a direct result of Brexit?

I'm curious as to what future prospects he has had impinged on him by the vote to Leave.

Anyone voting for May so she can then 'own' the consequences of it, so they can then boast on a car forum that she and others should accept their responsibilities for Brexit, probably had little In the way of any future prospects whatsoever, one would have to ask what prospects existed for him and before the referendum was even announced.

[citizensm1th]

gooner1 said:

What Brexit has been achieved?
Btw, that hooks big enough for us all to wriggle on, unfortunately the tune that accompanies
the wriggling won't be one of your choosing whatever transpires.

The tune stopped being mine on the result of the referendum from that day on remainers became passengers on the brexiteers train

[Crackie]

citizensm1th said:

I am not unhappy with Mays actions i am chuffed to bits she and the tories are making a complete hash of brexit as most remainers said brexit would be.

I am unhappy we are going through with brexit but not unhappy that it is turning into a clusterfk

Grow up...….

[PRTVR]

don'tbesilly said:

I'm curious as to what future prospects he has had impinged on him by the vote to Leave.

Anyone voting for May so she can then 'own' the consequences of it, so they can then boast on a car forum that she and others should accept their responsibilities for Brexit, probably had little In the way of any future prospects whatsoever, one would have to ask what prospects existed for him and before the referendum was even announced.

We have reduced his chances of getting a job on the gravy train in the EU.

[citizensm1th]

don'tbesilly said:

sidicks said:

citizensm1th said:

Well i did my best to try to persuade my country not to damage itself. my country did not listen and decided to inflict damage to My future prospects and others like me. why on earth should i care about those who would happily damage my prospects to further their own? as the perceive it

What ‘rotten consequences’ are you personally facing as a direct result of Brexit?

I'm curious as to what future prospects he has had impinged on him by the vote to Leave.

Anyone voting for May so she can then 'own' the consequences of it, so they can then boast on a car forum that she and others should accept their responsibilities for Brexit, probably had little In the way of any future prospects whatsoever, one would have to ask what prospects existed for him and before the referendum was even announced.

As i refuse to engage with Sid you and he will never know

[sidicks]

citizensm1th said:

The tune stopped being mine on the result of the referendum from that day on remainers became passengers on the brexiteers train

From the moment you chose May to implement Brexit, you became partly responsible for the outcome.

[sidicks]

citizensm1th said:

As i refuse to engage with Sid you and he will never know

In that case, feel free to keep moaning without (apparent) justification.

[gooner1]

citizensm1th said:

gooner1 said:

What Brexit has been achieved?
Btw, that hooks big enough for us all to wriggle on, unfortunately the tune that accompanies
the wriggling won't be one of your choosing whatever transpires.

The tune stopped being mine on the result of the referendum from that day on remainers became passengers on the brexiteers train

Best buckle up buttercup, this train hasn't reached it's destination and there's no buffet car.

[citizensm1th]

gooner1 said:

citizensm1th said:

gooner1 said:

What Brexit has been achieved?
Btw, that hooks big enough for us all to wriggle on, unfortunately the tune that accompanies
the wriggling won't be one of your choosing whatever transpires.

The tune stopped being mine on the result of the referendum from that day on remainers became passengers on the brexiteers train

Best buckle up buttercup, this train hasn't reached it's destination and there's no buffet car.

It is certainly going to be an interesting ride ,the reaction from Moggs little gang next week should be fun to watch.

[gooner1]

citizensm1th said:

It is certainly going to be an interesting ride ,the reaction from Moggs little gang next week should be fun to watch.

It certainly is an interesting time in many ways.
It's like a Civil War fought with I-Pads, smartphones etc, instead of Pikes, Muskets etc.
Hopefully.

[JagLover]

crankedup said:

crankedup said:

Any posters have a pov regarding the likelihood that the EU negotiating team will be able to work a deal from the U.K. proposal?

Anyone?

Need to be more patient Crankedup it is a very sunny day to be sat in front of a computer after all

It depends on who you ask really some commentators are saying May has been discussing this with EU leaders since March, others that the EU commission will reject it anyway.

Despite Remainer gloating as far as I can see it is a worse deal than simply leaving under WTO rules. However Lawson claims in the Sunday Times today that he asked a senior EU bureaucrat why they would possible reject it, given that it safeguards all the EUs economic interests and few of the UKs. The response was that it wasn't about the economics.

I think many Brexiteers will be very happy if the EU rejects it out of hand, but it isn't clear what has been going on behind the scenes.

[davepoth]

citizensm1th said:

It is certainly going to be an interesting ride ,the reaction from Moggs little gang next week should be fun to watch.

Barnier's response is the important one. If he comes out next week and is disdainful of this plan as he has been of all of the previous ones, Mogg will be relatively quiet.

Although he has enough MPs for a Tory no-confidence vote, he only has one chance at it because he'd look like he was crying wolf otherwise. He would much rather that Barnier does his work for him and declares the plan a non-starter.

[citizensm1th]

gooner1 said:

citizensm1th said:

It is certainly going to be an interesting ride ,the reaction from Moggs little gang next week should be fun to watch.

It certainly is an interesting time in many ways.
It's like a Civil War fought with I-Pads, smartphones etc, instead of Pikes, Muskets etc.
Hopefully.

Steady petal ,we are british brexiteers won't be rioting on the streets any more than remainers have.

[citizensm1th]

davepoth said:

citizensm1th said:

It is certainly going to be an interesting ride ,the reaction from Moggs little gang next week should be fun to watch.

Barnier's response is the important one. If he comes out next week and is disdainful of this plan as he has been of all of the previous ones, Mogg will be relatively quiet.

Although he has enough MPs for a Tory no-confidence vote, he only has one chance at it because he'd look like he was crying wolf otherwise. He would much rather that Barnier does his work for him and declares the plan a non-starter.

That is an interesting point, I wonder if Barnier is aware of that

[davepoth]

citizensm1th said:

That is an interesting point, I wonder if Barnier is aware of that

He's got very strict instructions, and based on the ones that have been made public there are a number of things in this plan which slice up the Single Market in ways that would not normally be permissible. Now there may be a new set of instructions he's received to tell him to do something else, but we won't know that until we hear back from him.

Whether or not it will annoy Rees-Mogg will not figure very highly in his thinking.

[PurpleMoonlight]

pgh said:

Like all passengers you are entirely free to get off. 27 nations will accept you no questions asked, all of them part of the EU project you find very acceptable. Time is likely ticking on that no questions asked relocation though.

I find this a puerile argument.

Did anyone suggest you move out of the EU because you didn't like the EU project?