Brexit Poll 1/2/16

[Europa1]

amgmcqueen said:

Since when has it been about the money?

One thing we do know is that leaving our borders open to let millions of migrants flood the Country has made quality of life much lower than 20 years ago.

Staying in the EU will only let this madness continue.

Quality of life much lower? I have an excellent plumber, I get my car hand washed for buttons, house cleaned - I'd say it's on the up.

[blindswelledrat]

loafer123 said:

blindswelledrat said:

KrissKross said:

blindswelledrat said:

Well we've been in in it 40 years or so,

How many countries were involved then and who were they?

I don't really care. It doesn't change my point, it merely tries to confuse it.
No matter what anyone's reasons for wanting to leave, I don't think my very basic point that we know where we are in the EU and have no idea where we will be without it is arguable.

What you are describing sounds like behavioural inaction - which is why people die in plane crashes and don't leave burning buildings.

Nonsense. What YOU are describing is being in a plane that is flying perfectly well and jumping out in case it crashes.

[zygalski]

CaptainSlow said:

Pooh said:

Our current situation is like being tied to an enormous ship which is heading for rocks, there are lots of different captains, none of them can agree what to do and the steering is broken. We have a chance to cut the rope and chart our own course but it seems that a lot of people do not have the courage to wield the axe.

Remainers would stay on the Titanic because the lifeboats hadn't been sea tested.

Oh. Didn't realise it was such a black & white issue.
Thanks for the detailed cost/benefit economic analysis & totally irrelevant analogy.

[loafer123]

blindswelledrat said:

loafer123 said:

blindswelledrat said:

KrissKross said:

blindswelledrat said:

Well we've been in in it 40 years or so,

How many countries were involved then and who were they?

I don't really care. It doesn't change my point, it merely tries to confuse it.
No matter what anyone's reasons for wanting to leave, I don't think my very basic point that we know where we are in the EU and have no idea where we will be without it is arguable.

What you are describing sounds like behavioural inaction - which is why people die in plane crashes and don't leave burning buildings.

Nonsense. What YOU are describing is being in a plane that is flying perfectly well and jumping out in case it crashes.

That's what YOU think...I can smell smoke and am doing something about it.

[Mario149]

fido said:

Mario149 said:

And any EU citizen coming here to work who does not find work within 3 months can be chucked out. Again, we just choose not to enforce it which is an issue of our gov not the EU.

That's absolute rubbish. It's near impossible to enforce because it is relatively easy to prove you are looking for a job and currently studying part-time. As for non-EU how difficult do you think it is to get a dodgy EU passport from any of the other EU countries? Immigration is third down the list for me on the reasons to Brexit but I can't see how it can be enforced properly unless we leave the Single Market.

Last time I checked (which was a while ago I admit), "looking" for a job didn't come into it, you have to have a job, or you can be binned. Likewise you would have to prove you're studying. They don't believe you? Binned. There is just no will to do it from the gov. All the data is there, everyone's passport or ID is logged when they enter and when they exit.

[Mario149]

Monty Python said:

I'd prefer a "remain for x years, then leave if things haven't improved". I'm not sure people in this country will have enough genuine information to make a properly informed decision - at the moment the news seems to be full of misinformation.

I think that would be a good option, say that it was every gov's policy to have a referendum every 10 years.

[Coolbanana]

Interesting to review the BBC's Poll Survey's round-up on their website.

Basically, our younger folk intend to vote overwhelmingly in favour of Remain.
Similarly, amongst those with a higher level of education, the vote is in favour of Remain.

In summary, the suggestion is that only the older generations and those who are less educated are the one's who make up the majority of those in favour of Leave.

Perhaps it would be best to accept the wishes of the younger generations who will have to live with the consequences of the vote and those who have an ability to greater understand what is in the UK's best interests?



I'm definitely voting to Remain - never in doubt.

[amgmcqueen]

Europa1 said:

amgmcqueen said:

Since when has it been about the money?

One thing we do know is that leaving our borders open to let millions of migrants flood the Country has made quality of life much lower than 20 years ago.

Staying in the EU will only let this madness continue.

Quality of life much lower? I have an excellent plumber, I get my car hand washed for buttons, house cleaned - I'd say it's on the up.

Yes, ignoring the NHS is at breaking point, Schools are bursting at the seams with pupils being turned away. Now takes 3 weeks to see your own GP if you're lucky, having to travel 30 miles to see a dentist because they're full, spending half your life in traffic jams etc, etc. The now unsustainable pension system being eroded(god help our children/grand children!)
Then there is the housing crisis/shortage because unsurprisingly, if you let millions in each year they will need somewhere to live!

The simple fact of the matter is, we are a small island Country and there are only so many we can keep taking in before we are bursting. God knows what it will be like in another 20-30years time!? Especially when Turkey/Albania sign up.

If we leave the EU we can put an end to people coming here just for a freebie and install a common sense Australian points system approach to benefit our economy. This is only ONE of the reasons for voting to leave the EU dictatorship, of which there are many!

[Europa1]

amgmcqueen said:

Yes, ignoring the NHS is at breaking point, Schools are bursting at the seams with pupils being turned away. Now takes 3 weeks to see your own GP if you're lucky, having to travel 30 miles to see a dentist because they're full, spending half your life in traffic jams etc, etc. The now unsustainable pension system being eroded(god help our children/grand children!)
Then there is the housing crisis/shortage because unsurprisingly, if you let millions in each year they will need somewhere to live!

The simple fact of the matter is, we are a small island Country and there are only so many we can keep taking in before we are bursting. God knows what it will be like in another 20-30years time!? Especially when Turkey/Albania sign up.

If we leave the EU we can put an end to people coming here just for a freebie and install a common sense Australian points system approach to benefit our economy. This is only ONE of the reasons for voting to leave the EU dictatorship, of which there are many!

Traffic jams are due to migration? I think you may have consumed a little too much of Mr Farage's Koolaid.

[INWB]

If people are voting brexit simply for the prospect of reducing immigration then I am baffled. It seems so naive that I cannot understand how anyone rational could reach this conclusion.

We are a nation of immigration. We have a demographic time bomb which means we need immigration. It would seem that pressures on services are all being blamed on immigration however apart from some hotspots (due mainly to lack of political action) immigration is demonstrably beneficial for the country.

Let's say we leave and we want a trade deal with our largest client - the EU. You don't think that freedom of movement won't be attached? How about the millions of expats abroad. If we leave and then refuse to have freedom of movement what happens to them? I know I would prefer a Latvian in costa to yet another elderly daily mail reader in the country.

It seems that many just seem to be thinking through the challenges of leaving and have a "oh I am sure it will work out in the long run" mentality. This is why, for one reason, all people of retirement age should have been banned from voting and 16 year olds should have been allowed.

[Murph7355]

Coolbanana said:

Interesting to review the BBC's Poll Survey's round-up on their website.

Basically, our younger folk intend to vote overwhelmingly in favour of Remain.
Similarly, amongst those with a higher level of education, the vote is in favour of Remain.

In summary, the suggestion is that only the older generations and those who are less educated are the one's who make up the majority of those in favour of Leave.

Perhaps it would be best to accept the wishes of the younger generations who will have to live with the consequences of the vote and those who have an ability to greater understand what is in the UK's best interests?



I'm definitely voting to Remain - never in doubt.

I guess there are exceptions to every rule...

[anonymous-user]

INWB said:

If people are voting brexit simply for the prospect of reducing immigration then I am baffled. It seems so naive that I cannot understand how anyone rational could reach this conclusion.

I'm not sure anyone is voting out on that single issue, have you made that up?

[John145]

INWB said:

If people are voting brexit simply for the prospect of reducing immigration then I am baffled. It seems so naive that I cannot understand how anyone rational could reach this conclusion.

We are a nation of immigration. We have a demographic time bomb which means we need immigration. It would seem that pressures on services are all being blamed on immigration however apart from some hotspots (due mainly to lack of political action) immigration is demonstrably beneficial for the country.

Let's say we leave and we want a trade deal with our largest client - the EU. You don't think that freedom of movement won't be attached? How about the millions of expats abroad. If we leave and then refuse to have freedom of movement what happens to them? I know I would prefer a Latvian in costa to yet another elderly daily mail reader in the country.

It seems that many just seem to be thinking through the challenges of leaving and have a "oh I am sure it will work out in the long run" mentality. This is why, for one reason, all people of retirement age should have been banned from voting and 16 year olds should have been allowed.

We turn away skilled immigration in favour of unskilled whilst providing anyone from the EU total access to benefits without any requirement other than holding a pasport of an EU member state. This, is madness.

[CaptainSlow]

INWB said:

If people are voting brexit simply for the prospect of reducing immigration then I am baffled. It seems so naive that I cannot understand how anyone rational could reach this conclusion.

We are a nation of immigration. We have a demographic time bomb which means we need immigration. It would seem that pressures on services are all being blamed on immigration however apart from some hotspots (due mainly to lack of political action) immigration is demonstrably beneficial for the country.

Let's say we leave and we want a trade deal with our largest client - the EU. You don't think that freedom of movement won't be attached? How about the millions of expats abroad. If we leave and then refuse to have freedom of movement what happens to them? I know I would prefer a Latvian in costa to yet another elderly daily mail reader in the country.

It seems that many just seem to be thinking through the challenges of leaving and have a "oh I am sure it will work out in the long run" mentality. This is why, for one reason, all people of retirement age should have been banned from voting and 16 year olds should have been allowed.

Typical left wing view, likes democracy as long as the correct answer is returned, change the rules if ever at risk.

Exiters have never said no immigration, they've wanted controlled immigration. However, that always seems to be ignored.

[blindswelledrat]

John145 said:

We turn away skilled immigration in favour of unskilled whilst providing anyone from the EU total access to benefits without any requirement other than holding a pasport of an EU member state. This, is madness.

Don't you agree that the problem is our benefits system which is far more generous than almost anywhere else in the EU, rather than immigration per se?
I agree that nobody in the EU should be able to waltz over here and expect us to pay for them to be housed and claim benefits from our taxes.
However, I also think that nobody in Britain should be able to sit at home and be housed and claim benefits from our taxes, without having at least contributed first.

[blindswelledrat]

CaptainSlow said:

Typical left wing view, likes democracy as long as the correct answer is returned, change the rules if ever at risk.

Exiters have never said no immigration, they've wanted controlled immigration. However, that always seems to be ignored.

Yet another far right person assuming everyone who isn't anti-immigration is a left-winger.
So being as you have corrected him, are you saying that our immigration control would allow an unskilled worker to work in Costa, as per his example?

[eatcustard]

INWB said:

Let's say we leave and we want a trade deal with our largest client - the EU. You don't think that freedom of movement won't be attached? How about the millions of expats abroad. If we leave and then refuse to have freedom of movement what happens to them? I know I would prefer a Latvian in costa to yet another elderly daily mail reader in the country.

The EU have trade deals with many counties and no freedom of movement, so why would the UK accept free movement when we the people (in general) dont want it (controlled immigration is fine).

[CaptainSlow]

blindswelledrat said:

Yet another far right person assuming everyone who isn't anti-immigration is a left-winger.
So being as you have corrected him, are you saying that our immigration control would allow an unskilled worker to work in Costa, as per his example?

That would be up for the UK Government to decide, or more importantly, you and I to decide via the ballot box.

[XJ40]

Well I can see it both ways, but I'm leaning towards Bremain for the economic/trade reasons mainly. I'm not swayed by the flag waving or the immigrunts arguements (my girlfriend is Czech...) My ideal would be to stay in a reformed EU, but Davie C's efforts didn't go far enough unfortunately.

Not surprised the poll is strongly favouring leave here given the abundance of those who are of the Tory/'kipper persuasion.

[Morningside]

I am just getting fed up with more and more negative campaigning. I am honestly expecting the headline "Leaving the EU with give you cancer".

Please give positive FACTS of why we should stay without scaremongering or taking the piss.