98 yr old duke crashes range rover
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RJG46 said:
Old people crash because they make mistakes. It's not as though they all drive like lunatics. Of any section of society, the elderly need cars for mobility than any other. Getting old is no fun. The idea that you'd have to stop driving at some cut off point would fill me with dread.
We all crash because we make mistakes, that isn't exclusive to the old. The issue is that there is a point in life (which is different for everybody) when our physical and mental ability starts to deteriorate. We either need to be much more comfortable to have that conversation with our relatives to say 'nows the time to stop driving' or we ask the DVLA to do that.Yes, giving up driving is another clear indication that we're knackered and old, but that dread should be much less than the fear of causing a serious accident.
jamei303 said:
Would you be happy to take a long-haul flight piloted by 98-year olds?
Fasle analogy... as society we accept different risks in different scenarios. Would I be happy to be driven to the local station by a 98 year old? Yes. Driven on a 6 hr journey to London, less so. Flown in a fighter jet by one, no.
If the elderly are such a big risk that they need to be legislated off the road then why haven't they been priced off the road by insurance companies? My nearly 78 year old mum's insurance on her 997c2 is 200 and change a year. This would suggest to me that the elderly, as a group, are less of a hazard than the average PH driving god.
fblm said:
If the elderly are such a big risk that they need to be legislated off the road then why haven't they been priced off the road by insurance companies? My nearly 78 year old mum's insurance on her 997c2 is 200 and change a year. This would suggest to me that the elderly, as a group, are less of a hazard than the average PH driving god.
Ever fule no 997 pilots are the best. 
fblm said:
If the elderly are such a big risk that they need to be legislated off the road then why haven't they been priced off the road by insurance companies? My nearly 78 year old mum's insurance on her 997c2 is 200 and change a year. This would suggest to me that the elderly, as a group, are less of a hazard than the average PH driving god.
They are : https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/11969857/9...78 is not old for these purposes.
A 98 year old has a 1/1000 chance of dying in a 12 hour period.
jamei303 said:
fblm said:
If the elderly are such a big risk that they need to be legislated off the road then why haven't they been priced off the road by insurance companies? My nearly 78 year old mum's insurance on her 997c2 is 200 and change a year. This would suggest to me that the elderly, as a group, are less of a hazard than the average PH driving god.
They are : https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/11969857/9...78 is not old for these purposes.
A 98 year old has a 1/1000 chance of dying in a 12 hour period.
Tom Delaney (RIP).
Purchased a 1927 Lea Francis in 1929 and raced it up until 2006 aged 95. He was still actually winning occasionally too.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Delaney
Just sayin'
Purchased a 1927 Lea Francis in 1929 and raced it up until 2006 aged 95. He was still actually winning occasionally too.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Delaney
Just sayin'
The Surveyor said:
RJG46 said:
Old people crash because they make mistakes. It's not as though they all drive like lunatics. Of any section of society, the elderly need cars for mobility than any other. Getting old is no fun. The idea that you'd have to stop driving at some cut off point would fill me with dread.
We all crash because we make mistakes, that isn't exclusive to the old. fblm said:
If the elderly are such a big risk that they need to be legislated off the road then why haven't they been priced off the road by insurance companies? My nearly 78 year old mum's insurance on her 997c2 is 200 and change a year. This would suggest to me that the elderly, as a group, are less of a hazard than the average PH driving god.
+1.Too many wannabee Lewis Hamilton's on the road that want to be somewhere 5 minutes ago and will do anything they can to get those few cars ahead. They're the real dangers on our roads...
RJG46 said:
The Surveyor said:
RJG46 said:
Old people crash because they make mistakes. It's not as though they all drive like lunatics. Of any section of society, the elderly need cars for mobility than any other. Getting old is no fun. The idea that you'd have to stop driving at some cut off point would fill me with dread.
We all crash because we make mistakes, that isn't exclusive to the old. Melchett1905 said:
+1.
Too many wannabee Lewis Hamilton's on the road that want to be somewhere 5 minutes ago and will do anything they can to get those few cars ahead. They're the real dangers on our roads...
Those and the old farts who drive up streets the wrong way, those that are scared of other road traffic along with the drunk and drug drivers....Too many wannabee Lewis Hamilton's on the road that want to be somewhere 5 minutes ago and will do anything they can to get those few cars ahead. They're the real dangers on our roads...
Same as it’s always been.
fblm said:
If the elderly are such a big risk that they need to be legislated off the road then why haven't they been priced off the road by insurance companies? My nearly 78 year old mum's insurance on her 997c2 is 200 and change a year. This would suggest to me that the elderly, as a group, are less of a hazard than the average PH driving god.
IMO as they get into their 70/80’s the mileage drops and they tend only drive when necessary. Nobody is the same but my father used to drive all over Europe, now he hates it, and complains about everyone else on the road. It’s at the point where my kids are no longer allowed in the car with him, sad, but we all get to a point where we are more of a risk as the senses and perception fails. 
yonex said:
IMO as they get into their 70/80’s the mileage drops and they tend only drive when necessary. Nobody is the same but my father used to drive all over Europe, now he hates it, and complains about everyone else on the road. It’s at the point where my kids are no longer allowed in the car with him, sad, but we all get to a point where we are more of a risk as the senses and perception fails.
I agree with all that. I suspect there's also a major element of 'natural selection' of the driving pool by 80/90 as the families take the keys off the worst. My point in all of this was simply that singling out the over 75's for regular retests is draconian given the evidence of risk. IMO if the rest of us are such good drivers we just need to be making allowances for and having a little patience with elderly drivers rather than trying to ban them.Old boy managed to put his car on it's side in our Morrison's car park the other week. I hope when my time comes I recognise it and pack up, it would be good to be told to by freinds & relatives too. Of course if everything is fine, I'll keep going.
My FiL recently packed up at 82, my MiL is as sharp as a razor at 80 and doesn't piss about, she's an excellent driver.
My FiL recently packed up at 82, my MiL is as sharp as a razor at 80 and doesn't piss about, she's an excellent driver.
Edited by Balmoral on Tuesday 22 January 16:59
Balmoral said:
Old boy managed to put his car on it's side in our Morrison's car park the other week. I hope when my time comes I recognise it and pack up, it would be good to be told to by freinds & relatives too. Of course if everything is fine, I'll keep going.
My FiL recently packed up at 82, my MiL is as sharp as a razor at 80 and doesn't piss about, she's an excellent driver.
There is a little bit of me that want's to give up driving by tipping a car on it's side in Morrisons. Looking at it. Exclaiming "Well fMy FiL recently packed up at 82, my MiL is as sharp as a razor at 80 and doesn't piss about, she's an excellent driver.
Edited by Balmoral on Tuesday 22 January 16:59
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