Aggression by Russia/uk?
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Byker28i said:
LOL - just which countries have the F-35. It's such a problematic aircraft that the US, UK, Italy, Australia, Israel, The Netherlands, Norway, Japan, Korea all have them operational and there's more countries waiting for them.
Switzerland have just confirmed they're buying 36 too, beating out the F-18E/F...Evanivitch said:
Red 4 said:
MoD procurement is a joke. I could tell you a story about that from somebody who was sent into Iraq in a convertible Land Rover with just a ballistic plate covering his heart whilst other nations were there looking like RoboCop in Armored Personnel Carriers and tanks.
You'll forgive me if I don't put too much faith in the MoD or their ability to equip our forces to the standard they deserve.
Please, tell us more second hand dits, they're thrillers You'll forgive me if I don't put too much faith in the MoD or their ability to equip our forces to the standard they deserve.
You got anything with an SLR in it?
The Army treated him like s
t and he had to fight tooth and nail for a medical pension. He really did not deserve to be treated like that.The only saving grace is that he is now better than he was and he has rebuilt his life.
You may think these are amusing dits but this is the reality for many of our servicemen and women.
Keep on bigging up the UK - and I will always support our forces - but the management and procurement is something else.
Rogue86 said:
Byker28i said:
LOL - just which countries have the F-35. It's such a problematic aircraft that the US, UK, Italy, Australia, Israel, The Netherlands, Norway, Japan, Korea all have them operational and there's more countries waiting for them.
Switzerland have just confirmed they're buying 36 too, beating out the F-18E/F...60% is tech, 20% cost, 20% industrial benefit. As far as I can tell, Canada is already a tier three supplier, so should score highly in two categories, and by the time they want prices 2025-2030 the cost will have come down again. Looks like an easy win IMO.
Red 4 said:
Evanivitch said:
Red 4 said:
MoD procurement is a joke. I could tell you a story about that from somebody who was sent into Iraq in a convertible Land Rover with just a ballistic plate covering his heart whilst other nations were there looking like RoboCop in Armored Personnel Carriers and tanks.
You'll forgive me if I don't put too much faith in the MoD or their ability to equip our forces to the standard they deserve.
Please, tell us more second hand dits, they're thrillers You'll forgive me if I don't put too much faith in the MoD or their ability to equip our forces to the standard they deserve.
You got anything with an SLR in it?
The Army treated him like s
t and he had to fight tooth and nail for a medical pension. He really did not deserve to be treated like that.The only saving grace is that he is now better than he was and he has rebuilt his life.
You may think these are amusing dits but this is the reality for many of our servicemen and women.
Keep on bigging up the UK - and I will always support our forces - but the management and procurement is something else.
Red 4 said:
digimeistter said:
Erm did you watch the TGT episode with James May in Iraq?
TGT ? Not sure, digimesiter. Why ?Red 4 said:
MoD procurement is a joke. I could tell you a story about that from somebody who was sent into Iraq in a convertible Land Rover with just a ballistic plate covering his heart whilst other nations were there looking like RoboCop in Armored Personnel Carriers and tanks.
You'll forgive me if I don't put too much faith in the MoD or their ability to equip our forces to the standard they deserve.
You stated MOD procurement was a joke, they ramped up quickly and inventively in Iraq/Afghanistan You'll forgive me if I don't put too much faith in the MoD or their ability to equip our forces to the standard they deserve.
James May did an excellent feature on it on The Grand Tour.
Red 4 said:
MoD procurement is a joke. I could tell you a story about that from somebody who was sent into Iraq in a convertible Land Rover with just a ballistic plate covering his heart whilst other nations were there looking like RoboCop in Armored Personnel Carriers and tanks.
You'll forgive me if I don't put too much faith in the MoD or their ability to equip our forces to the standard they deserve.
We seem to have a very long history of doing stuff like that.You'll forgive me if I don't put too much faith in the MoD or their ability to equip our forces to the standard they deserve.
Was your mate in the LRDG, perchance? If so you'll probably be an expert on special forces as well as military aviation.
Evanivitch said:
Red 4 said:
Evanivitch said:
Red 4 said:
MoD procurement is a joke. I could tell you a story about that from somebody who was sent into Iraq in a convertible Land Rover with just a ballistic plate covering his heart whilst other nations were there looking like RoboCop in Armored Personnel Carriers and tanks.
You'll forgive me if I don't put too much faith in the MoD or their ability to equip our forces to the standard they deserve.
Please, tell us more second hand dits, they're thrillers You'll forgive me if I don't put too much faith in the MoD or their ability to equip our forces to the standard they deserve.
You got anything with an SLR in it?
The Army treated him like s
t and he had to fight tooth and nail for a medical pension. He really did not deserve to be treated like that.The only saving grace is that he is now better than he was and he has rebuilt his life.
You may think these are amusing dits but this is the reality for many of our servicemen and women.
Keep on bigging up the UK - and I will always support our forces - but the management and procurement is something else.
Let me guess, you work in IT or similar and have no direct experience of what some of our service personnel experience/ go through. The biggest risk you face is a paper-cut or tripping over your own shoelaces.
You do our forces a massive dis-service by attempting to belittle what we ask of them and refusing to accept what happens to some of them.
The story is true. I really couldn't care less whether you believe it or not.
Biggy Stardust said:
We seem to have a very long history of doing stuff like that.
Was your mate in the LRDG, perchance? If so you'll probably be an expert on special forces as well as military aviation.
216 Squadron. Signals (Para). No, I'm not an expert but I did help to pick up the pieces.Was your mate in the LRDG, perchance? If so you'll probably be an expert on special forces as well as military aviation.
Edited by Red 4 on Wednesday 30th June 17:35
MrMan001 said:
Byker28i said:
Cost, scale, size, complexity of development with modern aircraft, which is why we bought american, why other aircraft have been a joint enterprise etc
It seems a bit odd as the UK used to be able to design and build these things in-house, and the Russians manage it despite having an economy half the size of the UK. Red 4 said:
Evanivitch said:
Red 4 said:
Evanivitch said:
Red 4 said:
MoD procurement is a joke. I could tell you a story about that from somebody who was sent into Iraq in a convertible Land Rover with just a ballistic plate covering his heart whilst other nations were there looking like RoboCop in Armored Personnel Carriers and tanks.
You'll forgive me if I don't put too much faith in the MoD or their ability to equip our forces to the standard they deserve.
Please, tell us more second hand dits, they're thrillers You'll forgive me if I don't put too much faith in the MoD or their ability to equip our forces to the standard they deserve.
You got anything with an SLR in it?
The Army treated him like s
t and he had to fight tooth and nail for a medical pension. He really did not deserve to be treated like that.The only saving grace is that he is now better than he was and he has rebuilt his life.
You may think these are amusing dits but this is the reality for many of our servicemen and women.
Keep on bigging up the UK - and I will always support our forces - but the management and procurement is something else.
Let me guess, you work in IT or similar and have no direct experience of what some of our service personnel experience/ go through. The biggest risk you face is a paper-cut or tripping over your own shoelaces.
You do our forces a massive dis-service by attempting to belittle what we ask of them and refusing to accept what happens to some of them.
The story is true. I really couldn't care less whether you believe it or not.
I have no doubt what you say is true at the beginning, it was the same for all forces involved when they first started peace keeping roles.
I'm afraid you are coming across as a bit of an armchair expert on all things with an anti-UK/Govt bias.
Red 4 said:
You think I'm making it up for internet Brownie points ? Fine, but your reply is actually very telling.
Let me guess, you work in IT or similar and have no direct experience of what some of our service personnel experience/ go through. The biggest risk you face is a paper-cut or tripping over your own shoelaces.
You do our forces a massive dis-service by attempting to belittle what we ask of them and refusing to accept what happens to some of them.
The story is true. I really couldn't care less whether you believe it or not.
I'm a member of HMAF and I design and test equipment for MOD.Let me guess, you work in IT or similar and have no direct experience of what some of our service personnel experience/ go through. The biggest risk you face is a paper-cut or tripping over your own shoelaces.
You do our forces a massive dis-service by attempting to belittle what we ask of them and refusing to accept what happens to some of them.
The story is true. I really couldn't care less whether you believe it or not.
Thank you coming, please come again
digimeistter said:
I have no doubt what you say is true at the beginning, it was the same for all forces involved when they first started peace keeping roles.
I'm afraid you are coming across as a bit of an armchair expert on all things with an anti-UK/Govt bias.
No it wasn't all the same at the beginning. I have the first hand accounts from someone who was there. I listened. I don't think he was lying.I'm afraid you are coming across as a bit of an armchair expert on all things with an anti-UK/Govt bias.
The fact that you watched James May on TV and think you know it all makes you more of an armchair expert than me. See "Irony". A dictionary may help you there.
The plan was " Hearts and minds". That's what the troops were encouraged to concentrate on. Not showing off the latest weapons (at least for UK forces).
Evanivitch said:
Red 4 said:
You think I'm making it up for internet Brownie points ? Fine, but your reply is actually very telling.
Let me guess, you work in IT or similar and have no direct experience of what some of our service personnel experience/ go through. The biggest risk you face is a paper-cut or tripping over your own shoelaces.
You do our forces a massive dis-service by attempting to belittle what we ask of them and refusing to accept what happens to some of them.
The story is true. I really couldn't care less whether you believe it or not.
I'm a member of HMAF and I design and test equipment for MOD.Let me guess, you work in IT or similar and have no direct experience of what some of our service personnel experience/ go through. The biggest risk you face is a paper-cut or tripping over your own shoelaces.
You do our forces a massive dis-service by attempting to belittle what we ask of them and refusing to accept what happens to some of them.
The story is true. I really couldn't care less whether you believe it or not.
Thank you coming, please come again
Admit it though, you do the IT don't you ... Your attitude is not representative of any operational troops I know. Thankfully.
Edited by Red 4 on Wednesday 30th June 17:53
Red 4 said:
Evanivitch said:
Red 4 said:
Evanivitch said:
Red 4 said:
MoD procurement is a joke. I could tell you a story about that from somebody who was sent into Iraq in a convertible Land Rover with just a ballistic plate covering his heart whilst other nations were there looking like RoboCop in Armored Personnel Carriers and tanks.
You'll forgive me if I don't put too much faith in the MoD or their ability to equip our forces to the standard they deserve.
Please, tell us more second hand dits, they're thrillers You'll forgive me if I don't put too much faith in the MoD or their ability to equip our forces to the standard they deserve.
You got anything with an SLR in it?
The Army treated him like s
t and he had to fight tooth and nail for a medical pension. He really did not deserve to be treated like that.The only saving grace is that he is now better than he was and he has rebuilt his life.
You may think these are amusing dits but this is the reality for many of our servicemen and women.
Keep on bigging up the UK - and I will always support our forces - but the management and procurement is something else.
Let me guess, you work in IT or similar and have no direct experience of what some of our service personnel experience/ go through. The biggest risk you face is a paper-cut or tripping over your own shoelaces.
You do our forces a massive dis-service by attempting to belittle what we ask of them and refusing to accept what happens to some of them.
The story is true. I really couldn't care less whether you believe it or not.
The fact your neighbour served , so what i bet everyone knows somebody who's been in the forces .
I live behind 40 cdo , a few of them run at the same running club , at work ( postie ) we have a few men/women who've served but even they make less of a deal of it than you do and they actually did it rather than just talk about the equipment .
Red 4 said:
digimeistter said:
I have no doubt what you say is true at the beginning, it was the same for all forces involved when they first started peace keeping roles.
I'm afraid you are coming across as a bit of an armchair expert on all things with an anti-UK/Govt bias.
No it wasn't all the same at the beginning. I have the first hand accounts from someone who was there. I listened. I don't think he was lying.I'm afraid you are coming across as a bit of an armchair expert on all things with an anti-UK/Govt bias.
The fact that you watched James May on TV and think you know it all makes you more of an armchair expert than me. See "Irony". A dictionary may help you there.
The plan was " Hearts and minds". That's what the troops were encouraged to concentrate on. Not showing off the latest weapons (at least for UK forces).
Yes many were killed sadly, that's war.
I'm not going to bleat about any friends I know or experience I may have (we all have them)
BUT it does seem you are largely spouting b
ks with a rather large chip on your shoulder.
egor110 said:
You are coming across as a bit fan boyish .
The fact your neighbour served , so what i bet everyone knows somebody who's been in the forces .
I live behind 40 cdo , a few of them run at the same running club , at work ( postie ) we have a few men/women who've served but even they make less of a deal of it than you do and they actually did it rather than just talk about the equipment .
It's a discussion about the military. My apologies for discussing the military.The fact your neighbour served , so what i bet everyone knows somebody who's been in the forces .
I live behind 40 cdo , a few of them run at the same running club , at work ( postie ) we have a few men/women who've served but even they make less of a deal of it than you do and they actually did it rather than just talk about the equipment .
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