How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 3)

[citizensm1th]

Dr Jekyll said:

While if it doesn't hurt then we weren't duped, that's what really worries you. You want us to learn the lesson that we aren't worthy of voting and must leave the decisions to you.

If it doesn't hurt(if we crash out with no deal) then i will be wrong and i have never been afraid of admitting when i am wrong it is a valuable tool in business that some on here could do well to learn.

i don't want you to learn the lesson that you are not worthy i want you to learn the lesson that a great deal of the people you vote for are not worthy of your vote and for you to learn to recognise them.

if we go out via fudgexit as is proposed no one will be happy and the UK will be hobbled by the EU for a generation.

[mike9009]

What an almighty fudge!

This was how I feared Brexit would turn out, as really there was no alternative without significant medium term damage. A compromise beyond compromise, compromising the long term future of our country. Well done Brexit

[anonymous-user]

mike9009 said:

What an almighty fudge!

This was how I feared Brexit would turn out, as really there was no alternative without significant medium term damage. A compromise beyond compromise, compromising the long term future of our country. Well done Brexit

Careful Mike!

Some people might class your comment as gloating.

We wouldn't want real men that take responsibility for there own actions getting upset

[anonymous-user]

As a remain voter, it looks a pretty good compromise proposition.
Basically 52% of a Brexit
Farage & Boris are upset , which is a bonus
Let’s see how it pans out.

[citizensm1th]

Ghibli said:

mike9009 said:

What an almighty fudge!

This was how I feared Brexit would turn out, as really there was no alternative without significant medium term damage. A compromise beyond compromise, compromising the long term future of our country. Well done Brexit

Careful Mike!

Some people might class your comment as gloating.

We wouldn't want real men that take responsibility for there own actions getting upset

It is amusing after nearly two years of brexit supporters on here crowing about how they won the vote remainers should shut up and accept it they are now getting angry when the very same remainers are telling them to get on with it when they(the brexiteers) start moaning that it is not the brexit they want.

it is like some sad person on a motorway bridge threatening to jump and being shocked when no one tries to stop them.

[sidicks]

citizensm1th said:

Wrong on so many counts, i want brexit to really really hurt then maybe just maybe a good proportion of the 17 million who were duped by the like's of farage and mogg and grove and boris will wake the fk up and deal out the just desserts that bunch of self serving money grabbing millionaires deserve.

What a nice chap you are!

citizensm1th said:

as for out of a job only if i sack myself

So much for these ‘immediate rotten consequences’!

[don'tbesilly]

Quick glance at the media, and it looks like the relaxing wk/end May thought she'd get after her capitulation on Friday isn't seeing the wk/end out!

One wonders just how much longer her fingernails will last, she's got 10, so maybe she'll see the next working week out.

Will she last until the end of the month though?

[anonymous-user]

don'tbesilly said:

Quick glance at the media, and it looks like the relaxing wk/end May thought she'd get after her capitulation on Friday isn't seeing the wk/end out!

One wonders just how much longer her fingernails will last, she's got 10, so maybe she'll see the next working week out.

Will she last until the end of the month though?

Relaxing weekend reading the Daily Express?

Are you still surrounded by foreigners? You must be brave

[Dr Jekyll]

citizensm1th said:

i don't want you to learn the lesson that you are not worthy i want you to learn the lesson that a great deal of the people you vote for are not worthy of your vote and for you to learn to recognise them.

Quite apart from the breathtaking condescension in this statement. Who exactly do you imagine I voted for?

[citizensm1th]

don'tbesilly said:

Quick glance at the media, and it looks like the relaxing wk/end May thought she'd get after her capitulation on Friday isn't seeing the wk/end out!

One wonders just how much longer her fingernails will last, she's got 10, so maybe she'll see the next working week out.

Will she last until the end of the month though?

I have heard whispers from the mother in law of a tory MP that November is the likely date for May to be forced out .

But that was before this week so who knows could be this month as you say.

[Sway]

citizensm1th said:

Tuna said:

citizensm1th said:

That is an interesting point, I wonder if Barnier is aware of that

You do understand that the 'fun to watch stuff' is a complete side show, and within the week, Barnier could push us into a complete, no-deal WTO exit?

I really don't think you understand the consequences of this debate in the slightest, or quite what impact the proposed deal would have on your life if it were accepted.

I have said before on here half in half out brexit is not brexit if we leave(and we are leaving) a "hard" brexit is the only way to satisfy the brexiteers in or out take your choice and the country has we are out.

now sway won't like a hard brexit but then he is not a fan of brexit light either.

There are no consequences to this debate it is a debate on a poxy little car forum with no influence on HMG what so ever.

The debate in government was held this week and May got her way with our one and only proposal to the EU ,nothing you or i say here will change that in the slightest we as a nation are now at the mercy of the EU.

If the EU accept it with negotiated changes to suit them we have fudgexit where no one is happy.

if they dont we are out on WTO with perhaps agreement on the non WTO stuff like the trillions of bank contracts and maybe agreement for UK aircraft and airports (sway might have a heart attack if this happens)

Or we go for slashers preferred check vote to see if we can forget the whole thing.

Take your pick i don't see any other choices

Heart attack? It's my preferred option you plum!

[mike9009]

don'tbesilly said:

Quick glance at the media, and it looks like the relaxing wk/end May thought she'd get after her capitulation on Friday isn't seeing the wk/end out!

One wonders just how much longer her fingernails will last, she's got 10, so maybe she'll see the next working week out.

Will she last until the end of the month though?

I seriously don't think May is particularly the issue. General apathy and lack of leadership in all of UK politics is the issue. Opposition staying quiet waiting for the inevitable capitulation is not helping. Corbyn is weak. May is trying to do the right thing for the country, given the overwhelming (but mistaken, IMO) desire to leave the EU within our general populace. I don't agree with Boris Johnson, Gove (or JRM) but I wish one of them would have the balls and step up rather than sniping from the side lines.


Mike

[citizensm1th]

Dr Jekyll said:

citizensm1th said:

i don't want you to learn the lesson that you are not worthy i want you to learn the lesson that a great deal of the people you vote for are not worthy of your vote and for you to learn to recognise them.

Quite apart from the breathtaking condescension in this statement. Who exactly do you imagine I voted for?

I have no idea and i don't really care i was responding to your assertion that i thought you unworthy of a vote.

the reason i don't care who you vote for is the very sad fact that the majority of people who put themselves up for election in recent years are carrierists with no real attachment or values pertaining to their constituencies. and i include all political parties in that .

This also goes for the brexit referendum, witness a certain mrs may who although saying she was for remain, after the referendum could not resist going for the leadership even though she knew she would have to take us out of europe ,something she said she was set against.

principled i think not.

[citizensm1th]

Sway said:

Heart attack? It's my preferred option you plum!

really ? thought you were concerned about if we crashed out banking would come to a halt and no aircraft would fly/

if i have you confused with someone else then i apologize.

[wc98]

citizensm1th said:

i don't want you to learn the lesson that you are not worthy i want you to learn the lesson that a great deal of the people you vote for are not worthy of your vote and for you to learn to recognise them.

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that was a part of why i voted to leave. our own political classes have had an easy life for too long. hopefully (and i realise it might be pie in the sky) once they are 100% accountable for the day to day business of running the uk more people will see them for what they really are. again i think that brexit is only the beginning of change in the uk ,not a one off event. all imo, quite happy to being wrong in the future,it won't be the first time.

[Dr Jekyll]

citizensm1th said:

Dr Jekyll said:

citizensm1th said:

i don't want you to learn the lesson that you are not worthy i want you to learn the lesson that a great deal of the people you vote for are not worthy of your vote and for you to learn to recognise them.

Quite apart from the breathtaking condescension in this statement. Who exactly do you imagine I voted for?

I have no idea and i don't really care i was responding to your assertion that i thought you unworthy of a vote.

the reason i don't care who you vote for is the very sad fact that the majority of people who put themselves up for election in recent years are carrierists with no real attachment or values pertaining to their constituencies. and i include all political parties in that .

This also goes for the brexit referendum, witness a certain mrs may who although saying she was for remain, after the referendum could not resist going for the leadership even though she knew she would have to take us out of europe ,something she said she was set against.

principled i think not.

But you've just offered to educate me as to the flaws in my 'deciding who to vote for' routine.

[Sway]

citizensm1th said:

Sway said:

Heart attack? It's my preferred option you plum!

really ? thought you were concerned about if we crashed out banking would come to a halt and no aircraft would fly/

if i have you confused with someone else then i apologize.

No. I've merely been pointing out there is a huge difference between "no separation deal" and "no free trade agreement". I've never suggested the former would occur.

I'm happy with a WTO separation.

[wc98]

citizensm1th said:

I have no idea and i don't really care i was responding to your assertion that i thought you unworthy of a vote.

the reason i don't care who you vote for is the very sad fact that the majority of people who put themselves up for election in recent years are carrierists with no real attachment or values pertaining to their constituencies. and i include all political parties in that .

This also goes for the brexit referendum, witness a certain mrs may who although saying she was for remain, after the referendum could not resist going for the leadership even though she knew she would have to take us out of europe ,something she said she was set against.

principled i think not.

i am pretty sure most of the people posting here will agree with much of that. you don't need to convince anyone on here regarding the ineptitude of our politicians.

[frisbee]

I just can't see the Conservatives destroying most of the financial services industry with a hard Brexit. Which means our negotiating team will be turning up to Brussels with an oil tanker full of lube and soft will get even softer as Barnier rams a basket full of terms up our...

Oh well, at least I've got a second nationality to fall back on.

[sidicks]

citizensm1th said:

Wrong on so many counts, i want brexit to really really hurt then maybe just maybe a good proportion of the 17 million who were duped by the like's of farage and mogg and grove and boris will wake the fk up and deal out the just desserts that bunch of self serving money grabbing millionaires deserve.

What a nice chap you are!

citizensm1th said:

as for out of a job only if i sack myself

So much for these ‘immediate rotten consequences’!