How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 3)

[anonymous-user]

sidicks said:

citizensm1th said:

Wrong on so many counts, i want brexit to really really hurt then maybe just maybe a good proportion of the 17 million who were duped by the like's of farage and mogg and grove and boris will wake the fk up and deal out the just desserts that bunch of self serving money grabbing millionaires deserve.

What a nice chap you are!

citizensm1th said:

as for out of a job only if i sack myself

So much for these ‘immediate rotten consequences’!

Sidick, you have already posted this.

Citizensm1th thinks that you are a dick and said he won't be replying to you.

[mx5nut]

Dr Jekyll said:

The Commission takes orders from nobody. A UK civil servant who suggested contacting EU governments directly to clarify the UK position was told by his bosses it was out of the question because 'the commission wouldn't like it'.

Why would the individual governments go to the considerable time and expense when they are already members of a club that can do it much more efficiently for them all in one go?

[crankedup]

Ghibli said:

crankedup said:

Yes I certainly would, not literally but such a situation would certainly be the end of the EU. As it stands the EU may survive another decade or so.

Why do you say that? Would we give up if Germany were leaving?

Germany are the bedrock of the EU, a sudden departure of them would cause a financial and political earthquake. The financial loss of Germany would inevitably cost the U.K. a hefty subs increase, But that is just more speculation of course. The U.K. leaving is about as much as the EU can cope with at the moment, given all of the other problems.

[mx5nut]

Why haven't any of the Brexiters complaining about May's plan got behind it ready to make a success out of it instead of talking it down?

[sidicks]

Ghibli said:

Sidick, you have already posted this.

Citizensm1th thinks that you are a dick and said he won't be replying to you.

That’s his choice - I can reply to his nonsense if I choose.

[s2art]

mx5nut said:

Dr Jekyll said:

The Commission takes orders from nobody. A UK civil servant who suggested contacting EU governments directly to clarify the UK position was told by his bosses it was out of the question because 'the commission wouldn't like it'.

Why would the individual governments go to the considerable time and expense when they are already members of a club that can do it much more efficiently for them all in one go?

I worked for the commission for several years (as a contractor). Believe me, efficiently is not a word I would use for them. Expensive, perhaps.

[anonymous-user]

crankedup said:

Germany are the bedrock of the EU, a sudden departure of them would cause a financial and political earthquake. The financial loss of Germany would inevitably cost the U.K. a hefty subs increase, But that is just more speculation of course. The U.K. leaving is about as much as the EU can cope with at the moment, given all of the other problems.

So what would you do if you were the EU 27 countries?

Would you show the rest of the world that you are weak and fall at the feet of the UK?

[alfie2244]

mx5nut said:

Why haven't any of the Brexiters complaining about May's plan got behind it ready to make a success out of it instead of talking it down?

Probably because it's not really her plan.....I reckon it's Merkel's myself

[anonymous-user]

sidicks said:

That’s his choice - I can reply to his nonsense if I choose.

Agreed, you can.

What was the point in posting it twice? Was it simply because you can?

[anonymous-user]

Ghibli said:

sidicks said:

That’s his choice - I can reply to his nonsense if I choose.

Agreed, you can.

What was the point in posting it twice? Was it simply because you can?

[mx5nut]

s2art said:

mx5nut said:

Dr Jekyll said:

The Commission takes orders from nobody. A UK civil servant who suggested contacting EU governments directly to clarify the UK position was told by his bosses it was out of the question because 'the commission wouldn't like it'.

Why would the individual governments go to the considerable time and expense when they are already members of a club that can do it much more efficiently for them all in one go?

I worked for the commission for several years (as a contractor). Believe me, efficiently is not a word I would use for them. Expensive, perhaps.

Do you think 27 governments communicating separately would be more efficient?

[alfie2244]

Ghibli said:

Ghibli said:

sidicks said:

That’s his choice - I can reply to his nonsense if I choose.

Agreed, you can.

What was the point in posting it twice? Was it simply because you can?

What was the point in posting it twice? Was it simply because you can?

[crankedup]

mx5nut said:

Why haven't any of the Brexiters complaining about May's plan got behind it ready to make a success out of it instead of talking it down?

Because at this very early stage, the PM hasn’t announced any detail, wise people hold back before denouncing fully. Let’s see what develops before getting excited

[s2art]

mx5nut said:

s2art said:

mx5nut said:

Dr Jekyll said:

The Commission takes orders from nobody. A UK civil servant who suggested contacting EU governments directly to clarify the UK position was told by his bosses it was out of the question because 'the commission wouldn't like it'.

Why would the individual governments go to the considerable time and expense when they are already members of a club that can do it much more efficiently for them all in one go?

I worked for the commission for several years (as a contractor). Believe me, efficiently is not a word I would use for them. Expensive, perhaps.

Do you think 27 governments communicating separately would be more efficient?

In the example described, of course. It would be a cc'd e-mail to the appropriate mailboxes, with a follow up by our men in our embassies who we pay for anyway..

[anonymous-user]

crankedup said:

mx5nut said:

Why haven't any of the Brexiters complaining about May's plan got behind it ready to make a success out of it instead of talking it down?

Because at this very early stage, the PM hasn’t announced any detail, wise people hold back before denouncing fully. Let’s see what develops before getting excited

Are sure about that? You have been behind Brexit for two years.

[davepoth]

frisbee said:

I just can't see the Conservatives destroying most of the financial services industry with a hard Brexit. Which means our negotiating team will be turning up to Brussels with an oil tanker full of lube and soft will get even softer as Barnier rams a basket full of terms up our...

Oh well, at least I've got a second nationality to fall back on.

The thing is that if there's a hard Brexit it's actually the EU that will be cut off from UK financial services, not the other way around. The plan as written excludes services for this exact reason.

[citizensm1th]

Ghibli said:

Sidick, you have already posted this.

Citizensm1th thinks that you are a dick and said he won't be replying to you.

To paraphrase Sidick. I never said he was a dick i will let other readers form their own opinion of him.

But i won't be drawn into the endless point scoring and whataboutery that he always tries to derail threads with.
it also has the bonus effect of driving his ADD through the roof.

[crankedup]

Ghibli said:

crankedup said:

Germany are the bedrock of the EU, a sudden departure of them would cause a financial and political earthquake. The financial loss of Germany would inevitably cost the U.K. a hefty subs increase, But that is just more speculation of course. The U.K. leaving is about as much as the EU can cope with at the moment, given all of the other problems.

So what would you do if you were the EU 27 countries?

Would you show the rest of the world that you are weak and fall at the feet of the UK?

Not at all, as in any ‘Managerial situation’ ,if I can call it that, I would be discussing the principles, pro’s and con’s attempting to understand long term consequences upon the ‘Company’ along with benefits which may be attained. Or if you like weighing it all up, not shutting doors. Putting pride before a fall is as old as time, and usually a consequence of misguided arrogance born from a misplaced and misguided sense of superiority.

[mx5nut]

crankedup said:

mx5nut said:

Why haven't any of the Brexiters complaining about May's plan got behind it ready to make a success out of it instead of talking it down?

Because at this very early stage, the PM hasn’t announced any detail, wise people hold back before denouncing fully. Let’s see what develops before getting excited

People didn't seem to have much of a problem getting behind (and encouraging others to do the same with) a simple remain/leave decision. I wonder why they are reluctant here.

[anonymous-user]

crankedup said:

Not at all, as in any ‘Managerial situation’ ,if I can call it that, I would be discussing the principles, pro’s and con’s attempting to understand long term consequences upon the ‘Company’ along with benefits which may be attained. Or if you like weighing it all up, not shutting doors. Putting pride before a fall is as old as time, and usually a consequence of misguided arrogance born from a misplaced and misguided sense of superiority.

And what would you do if you were the UK leaving?