Brexit Poll 1/2/16
Poll: Brexit Poll 1/2/16
Total Members Polled: 1469
Discussion
Murph7355 said:
I guess there are exceptions to every rule...
Those with a 'higher level of education' also vote Labour and Green. Enough said .. 
Reminds me of the annoying 'Scientist For Europe' group that keeps popping up on my Facebook feed. There's this twisted logic (as on this thread) that because you are a 'scientist' your opinion should count for more i.e. you are more 'intelligent'. Whereas in reality it just means you learnt more science. I dare you to read some of the bilge that's repeated in their discussions - it's worse than some of the low-brow cr8p on LBC (talk show) discussions!
Morningside said:
I am just getting fed up with more and more negative campaigning. I am honestly expecting the headline "Leaving the EU with give you cancer".
Please give positive FACTS of why we should stay without scaremongering or taking the piss.
Completely agree. Although it is not only one side who is campaigning on lies and conjecture.Please give positive FACTS of why we should stay without scaremongering or taking the piss.
Both parties are doing exactly the same because Brexit is a complete unknown.
So
Bremain: "ooooo, we will collapse into an economic black hole if we leave and terrorism will be rife"
Brexit: "Oooo, a land of milk and honey lays ahead once we are free of these EU shackles, and we will be without the shadow of terrorism"
Utter b
ks from both sides and I think the biggest shame is that us voters will be going to the polls with no real idea of what we are voting for.blindswelledrat said:
John145 said:
We turn away skilled immigration in favour of unskilled whilst providing anyone from the EU total access to benefits without any requirement other than holding a pasport of an EU member state. This, is madness.
Don't you agree that the problem is our benefits system which is far more generous than almost anywhere else in the EU, rather than immigration per se?I agree that nobody in the EU should be able to waltz over here and expect us to pay for them to be housed and claim benefits from our taxes.
However, I also think that nobody in Britain should be able to sit at home and be housed and claim benefits from our taxes, without having at least contributed first.
[sarcasm] The problem with these benefits is that people use them god damnit! [/sarcasm]
Either we race to the bottom, push benefits worse, increase the wealth gap, create larger disparity between rich and poor or just deal with the real issue without cries of racist.
John145 said:
Race to the bottom.
[sarcasm] The problem with these benefits is that people use them god damnit! [/sarcasm]
Either we race to the bottom, push benefits worse, increase the wealth gap, create larger disparity between rich and poor or just deal with the real issue without cries of racist.
The 'real problem' I guess is different to different people.[sarcasm] The problem with these benefits is that people use them god damnit! [/sarcasm]
Either we race to the bottom, push benefits worse, increase the wealth gap, create larger disparity between rich and poor or just deal with the real issue without cries of racist.
I am surprised that someone with such far right views is suddenly claiming to be so pro our benefits system!!
blindswelledrat said:
Not purposefully no. I didn't think our GDP growth was anywhere near that high, but I am glad that Im wrong.
Either way, that graph does not in any way demonstrate that "we are getting financially healthier despite the EU" it merely demonstrates that we are above average in overall EU growth.
I reckon our GDP growth is significantly down to our population growth. Is that really financially healthier, other than spreading our debt/deficit across more tax payers?Either way, that graph does not in any way demonstrate that "we are getting financially healthier despite the EU" it merely demonstrates that we are above average in overall EU growth.
Morningside said:
I am just getting fed up with more and more negative campaigning. I am honestly expecting the headline "Leaving the EU with give you cancer".
Please give positive FACTS of why we should stay without scaremongering or taking the piss.
The IN boys cant offer any, so they need to use scare tactics.Please give positive FACTS of why we should stay without scaremongering or taking the piss.
The OUT boys have offered lots of information, some good, some bad and some will be wait and see
eatcustard said:
Morningside said:
I am just getting fed up with more and more negative campaigning. I am honestly expecting the headline "Leaving the EU with give you cancer".
Please give positive FACTS of why we should stay without scaremongering or taking the piss.
The IN boys cant offer any, so they need to use scare tactics.Please give positive FACTS of why we should stay without scaremongering or taking the piss.
The OUT boys have offered lots of information, some good, some bad and some will be wait and see
Unbelievable.Europa1 said:
amgmcqueen said:
Since when has it been about the money?
One thing we do know is that leaving our borders open to let millions of migrants flood the Country has made quality of life much lower than 20 years ago.
Staying in the EU will only let this madness continue.
Quality of life much lower? I have an excellent plumber, I get my car hand washed for buttons, house cleaned - I'd say it's on the up.One thing we do know is that leaving our borders open to let millions of migrants flood the Country has made quality of life much lower than 20 years ago.
Staying in the EU will only let this madness continue.
blindswelledrat said:
John145 said:
Race to the bottom.
[sarcasm] The problem with these benefits is that people use them god damnit! [/sarcasm]
Either we race to the bottom, push benefits worse, increase the wealth gap, create larger disparity between rich and poor or just deal with the real issue without cries of racist.
The 'real problem' I guess is different to different people.[sarcasm] The problem with these benefits is that people use them god damnit! [/sarcasm]
Either we race to the bottom, push benefits worse, increase the wealth gap, create larger disparity between rich and poor or just deal with the real issue without cries of racist.
I am surprised that someone with such far right views is suddenly claiming to be so pro our benefits system!!
The working class are those that suffer. People in my financial position benefit massively. Unfortunately in the real world all of us are only a redundancy away from needing benefits. It's short sighted and foolish to support remain. Every day we remain the value of our tax contributions is deminished.
The NHS budget is not going increasing per capita.
The schools budget is not going up per capita.
The local council budget is not going up per capita.
The beneficieries are those who are home owners and paying 40p tax or higher - those that can afford to access private everything and live within their moat (metaphor).
The vast majority are losers.
John145 said:
blindswelledrat said:
John145 said:
Race to the bottom.
[sarcasm] The problem with these benefits is that people use them god damnit! [/sarcasm]
Either we race to the bottom, push benefits worse, increase the wealth gap, create larger disparity between rich and poor or just deal with the real issue without cries of racist.
The 'real problem' I guess is different to different people.[sarcasm] The problem with these benefits is that people use them god damnit! [/sarcasm]
Either we race to the bottom, push benefits worse, increase the wealth gap, create larger disparity between rich and poor or just deal with the real issue without cries of racist.
I am surprised that someone with such far right views is suddenly claiming to be so pro our benefits system!!
It's easier to demonize a position than discuss it. As we can see on a regular basis.
turbobloke said:
Quite so, and as per the Austria thread, the technical term should in any case be FAR-RIGHT! FAR-RIGHT! This gets the errors of bias and hyperbole from those abusing the term across much better.
It's easier to demonize a position than discuss it. As we can see on a regular basis.
I'm just waiting for racist, xenophobic, little englander and... well I forgot the other one, someone care to help me out...?It's easier to demonize a position than discuss it. As we can see on a regular basis.
John145 said:
turbobloke said:
Quite so, and as per the Austria thread, the technical term should in any case be FAR-RIGHT! FAR-RIGHT! This gets the errors of bias and hyperbole from those abusing the term across much better.
It's easier to demonize a position than discuss it. As we can see on a regular basis.
I'm just waiting for racist, xenophobic, little englander and... well I forgot the other one, someone care to help me out...?It's easier to demonize a position than discuss it. As we can see on a regular basis.
Shame the vote's at the same time as Glastonbury
Coolbanana said:
Interesting to review the BBC's Poll Survey's round-up on their website.
Basically, our younger folk intend to vote overwhelmingly in favour of Remain.
Similarly, amongst those with a higher level of education, the vote is in favour of Remain.
In summary, the suggestion is that only the older generations and those who are less educated are the one's who make up the majority of those in favour of Leave.
Perhaps it would be best to accept the wishes of the younger generations who will have to live with the consequences of the vote and those who have an ability to greater understand what is in the UK's best interests?
I'm definitely voting to Remain - never in doubt.
Basically, our younger folk intend to vote overwhelmingly in favour of Remain.
Similarly, amongst those with a higher level of education, the vote is in favour of Remain.
In summary, the suggestion is that only the older generations and those who are less educated are the one's who make up the majority of those in favour of Leave.
Perhaps it would be best to accept the wishes of the younger generations who will have to live with the consequences of the vote and those who have an ability to greater understand what is in the UK's best interests?
I'm definitely voting to Remain - never in doubt.
Edited by J1JPE on Monday 23 May 15:12
Einion Yrth said:
John145 said:
turbobloke said:
Quite so, and as per the Austria thread, the technical term should in any case be FAR-RIGHT! FAR-RIGHT! This gets the errors of bias and hyperbole from those abusing the term across much better.
It's easier to demonize a position than discuss it. As we can see on a regular basis.
I'm just waiting for racist, xenophobic, little englander and... well I forgot the other one, someone care to help me out...?It's easier to demonize a position than discuss it. As we can see on a regular basis.
J1JPE said:
Shame the vote's at the same time as Glastonbury
This also increases the chance of bad weather doesn't it? Also a good thing.Coolbanana said:
Interesting to review the BBC's Poll Survey's round-up on their website.
Basically, our younger folk intend to vote overwhelmingly in favour of Remain.
Similarly, amongst those with a higher level of education, the vote is in favour of Remain.
In summary, the suggestion is that only the older generations and those who are less educated are the one's who make up the majority of those in favour of Leave.
Perhaps it would be best to accept the wishes of the younger generations who will have to live with the consequences of the vote and those who have an ability to greater understand what is in the UK's best interests?
I'm definitely voting to Remain - never in doubt.
Basically, our younger folk intend to vote overwhelmingly in favour of Remain.
Similarly, amongst those with a higher level of education, the vote is in favour of Remain.
In summary, the suggestion is that only the older generations and those who are less educated are the one's who make up the majority of those in favour of Leave.
Perhaps it would be best to accept the wishes of the younger generations who will have to live with the consequences of the vote and those who have an ability to greater understand what is in the UK's best interests?
I'm definitely voting to Remain - never in doubt.
Edited by J1JPE on Monday 23 May 15:12
INWB said:
It seems that many just seem to be thinking through the challenges of leaving and have a "oh I am sure it will work out in the long run" mentality. This is why, for one reason, all people of retirement age should have been banned from voting and 16 year olds should have been allowed.
May be the people of retirement age have experience of what the EU was sold to us as, along with what it has ended up becoming, let's stop them voting because they have experience, let's give the vote to naive youngsters who will not know better, what a good idea 
What of the challenges of remaining, oh well it will be ok just look at the Greeks, well perhaps not the Greeks but the Spanish, ok not the Spanish but the Germans are doing OK, well apart from the start of social unrest due to immigration, Norway and Switzerland have withdrawn their application to join the EU, tells you all you need to know about the state of the EU.
PRTVR said:
May be the people of retirement age have experience of what the EU was sold to us as, along with what it has ended up becoming, let's stop them voting because they have experience, let's give the vote to naive youngsters who will not know better, what a good idea
.
Or perhaps the elderly are scared of change and no longer have jobs that depend on the EU? .
blindswelledrat said:
PRTVR said:
May be the people of retirement age have experience of what the EU was sold to us as, along with what it has ended up becoming, let's stop them voting because they have experience, let's give the vote to naive youngsters who will not know better, what a good idea
.
Or perhaps the elderly are scared of change and no longer have jobs that depend on the EU? .
along with this will be change if we leave ,so pray tell me how they are scared of change?
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