The EU v UK vaccine tussle
Discussion
Just going for a lie down in a darkened room . . . UK government minister (Lucy Frazer, Minister of State for Prisons and Probation) says something sensible shock . . .
"That is a commercial matter between AstraZeneca and the EU. But we are confident that the supplies that we have put in place with AstraZeneca, which will help us to reach our target of vaccinating everybody by the autumn, we are confident that we will get the supplies for that . . . But, as I said, our priority is to ensure we vaccinate people in the UK, but of course, where we can help our friends and neighbours, we would do that".
"That is a commercial matter between AstraZeneca and the EU. But we are confident that the supplies that we have put in place with AstraZeneca, which will help us to reach our target of vaccinating everybody by the autumn, we are confident that we will get the supplies for that . . . But, as I said, our priority is to ensure we vaccinate people in the UK, but of course, where we can help our friends and neighbours, we would do that".
Stay in Bed Instead said:
paulrockliffe said:
As I understand it the EU only concluded preliminary talks over NovaVax very recently. They haven't ordered any. It's due to come on stream from the summer onwards. If things carry on the way they are heading it would be largely pointless them wasting time applying to the EMA for approval.
I just learned that the UK and the US have invested £30 per person on vaccine development and supply chain stuff. The EU £5. The UK has committed to the same number of vaccines as the whole EU. Looking at that the EU has very much sat back and let everyone else make it all happen.
Both UK and EU invested about £2bn each so far then.I just learned that the UK and the US have invested £30 per person on vaccine development and supply chain stuff. The EU £5. The UK has committed to the same number of vaccines as the whole EU. Looking at that the EU has very much sat back and let everyone else make it all happen.
crankedup said:
catweasle said:
super7 said:
Rather than use bully boy tactics, demanding other countries vaccines which they had foresight to acquire, the EU should invest money in pharma's to get the plants going and to produce their own supplies from their own supply chain. The amount of resources they must have should be able to sort this out rapidly....
The EU have sat back and let everyone else get sorted and then arrived at the table expecting us to all fall over and give it away to them. Doesn't work like that.
Maybe they can't afford it now we've left and the majority of the 20'ish odd states of the union are net receivers than givers.
As you say School Bullies that can't be arsed to queue at the tuck shops so waits until Speccy Scroggins gets his wagonwheel and nicks it off him....do schools still have tuck shops...............do they still make wagonwheels?The EU have sat back and let everyone else get sorted and then arrived at the table expecting us to all fall over and give it away to them. Doesn't work like that.
Maybe they can't afford it now we've left and the majority of the 20'ish odd states of the union are net receivers than givers.
Yes we can still buy ‘wagon wheels’ bought some recently but they are more like mini minor wheels now.Either my hands have grown enormously or those wheels have shrunk.
Octoposse said:
Just going for a lie down in a darkened room . . . UK government minister (Lucy Frazer, Minister of State for Prisons and Probation) says something sensible shock . . .
"That is a commercial matter between AstraZeneca and the EU. But we are confident that the supplies that we have put in place with AstraZeneca, which will help us to reach our target of vaccinating everybody by the autumn, we are confident that we will get the supplies for that . . . But, as I said, our priority is to ensure we vaccinate people in the UK, but of course, where we can help our friends and neighbours, we would do that".
Hopefully there is a plan2 just in case we don't get all the vaccines we have ordered."That is a commercial matter between AstraZeneca and the EU. But we are confident that the supplies that we have put in place with AstraZeneca, which will help us to reach our target of vaccinating everybody by the autumn, we are confident that we will get the supplies for that . . . But, as I said, our priority is to ensure we vaccinate people in the UK, but of course, where we can help our friends and neighbours, we would do that".
Stay in Bed Instead said:
paulrockliffe said:
As I understand it the EU only concluded preliminary talks over NovaVax very recently. They haven't ordered any. It's due to come on stream from the summer onwards. If things carry on the way they are heading it would be largely pointless them wasting time applying to the EMA for approval.
I just learned that the UK and the US have invested £30 per person on vaccine development and supply chain stuff. The EU £5. The UK has committed to the same number of vaccines as the whole EU. Looking at that the EU has very much sat back and let everyone else make it all happen.
Both UK and EU invested about £2bn each so far then.I just learned that the UK and the US have invested £30 per person on vaccine development and supply chain stuff. The EU £5. The UK has committed to the same number of vaccines as the whole EU. Looking at that the EU has very much sat back and let everyone else make it all happen.
don'tbesilly said:
Didn't someone on here suggest the dispute is not one between the EU & the UK, but one between the EC & Astra Zeneca?
EU justice Commissioner Didier Reynders seems keen to turn it into a war
AZ contract has now been published.
As many have said they are just trying to redirect criticism that they themselves deserve. It is for internal consumption and to portray the UK as "stealing" their vaccines. EU justice Commissioner Didier Reynders seems keen to turn it into a war
AZ contract has now been published.
Octoposse said:
Just going for a lie down in a darkened room . . . UK government minister (Lucy Frazer, Minister of State for Prisons and Probation) says something sensible shock . . .
"That is a commercial matter between AstraZeneca and the EU. But we are confident that the supplies that we have put in place with AstraZeneca, which will help us to reach our target of vaccinating everybody by the autumn, we are confident that we will get the supplies for that . . . But, as I said, our priority is to ensure we vaccinate people in the UK, but of course, where we can help our friends and neighbours, we would do that".
Sensible & the way to go"That is a commercial matter between AstraZeneca and the EU. But we are confident that the supplies that we have put in place with AstraZeneca, which will help us to reach our target of vaccinating everybody by the autumn, we are confident that we will get the supplies for that . . . But, as I said, our priority is to ensure we vaccinate people in the UK, but of course, where we can help our friends and neighbours, we would do that".
No point in antagonising the EU, diffuse the situation
I wonder what would have happened if we were still in the EU, at the top table.
I expect our influence would have avoided the current situation which the EU find themselves in.
anonymous said:
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I admit I don't think I've opened a copy of the Sun in 30 years. I still remember being rather shocked as a spotty (male) teenager at one Page 3 teaser series during a week... Here is Mandy, she's 15 and 11 months... [provocative but clothed pics] she can't wait until Friday when she can finally become a Page 3 Stunna! And on her 16th birthday, posing topless. It wasn't just the once, either.Call me a prude but I've had a prejudice against red tops since then.
Sorry, wildly off topic. As you were.
paulrockliffe said:
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hstewie said:
hstewie said: Honestly if it happened here I'd expect many people to defend Johnson to the hilt.
"Comparisons to other countries aren't valid"
"Never been in a situation like this"
"He's doing his best"
"Now is not the time"
"Just be grateful it's not Corbyn"
"It's not as if he fills the vaccine viles himself"
Our Government has behaved well on this issue and the EU have behaved appallingly badly but let's not pretend that if the boot were on the other foot that the Government would have collapsed or that the people sticking the boot in when it's the EU would be calling for it if it were our own Government.
Really? The numbers defending the UK demanding vaccines from the EU while putting in place export restrictions because we'd f"Comparisons to other countries aren't valid"
"Never been in a situation like this"
"He's doing his best"
"Now is not the time"
"Just be grateful it's not Corbyn"
"It's not as if he fills the vaccine viles himself"
Our Government has behaved well on this issue and the EU have behaved appallingly badly but let's not pretend that if the boot were on the other foot that the Government would have collapsed or that the people sticking the boot in when it's the EU would be calling for it if it were our own Government.
ked about signing contracts for vaccines we hadn't authorised yet against a back drop of Counties halting their programmes because they'd run out of doses would be absolutely miniscule. I can't think of a single significant media presence that would not demand the Government resigns.Personally I don't see this one differently.
Best reasonable efforts
contract said:
in the case of AstraZeneca, the activities and degree of effort that a company
of similar size with a similarly-sized infrastructure and similar resources as
AstraZeneca would undertake or use in the development and manufacture of a
Vaccine at the relevant stage of development or commercialization having regard
to the urgent need for a Vaccine to end a global pandemic which is resulting in
serious public health issues, restrictions on personal freedoms and economic
impact, across the world but taking into account efficacy and safety; and
(b) in the case of the Commission and the Participating Member States, the
activities and degree of effort that governments would undertake or use in
supporting their contractor in the development of the Vaccine having regard to the
urgent need for a Vaccine to end a global pandemic which is resulting in serious
public health issues, restrictions on personal freedoms and economic impact, across
the world.
I don't see how that is a cast iron guarantee to deliver all vaccines by stated date....of similar size with a similarly-sized infrastructure and similar resources as
AstraZeneca would undertake or use in the development and manufacture of a
Vaccine at the relevant stage of development or commercialization having regard
to the urgent need for a Vaccine to end a global pandemic which is resulting in
serious public health issues, restrictions on personal freedoms and economic
impact, across the world but taking into account efficacy and safety; and
(b) in the case of the Commission and the Participating Member States, the
activities and degree of effort that governments would undertake or use in
supporting their contractor in the development of the Vaccine having regard to the
urgent need for a Vaccine to end a global pandemic which is resulting in serious
public health issues, restrictions on personal freedoms and economic impact, across
the world.
768 said:
Seems fairly straight forward, Section 8.2 suggests if AZ can't fulfill then payments will be suspended.768 said:
Looks like EU ordered on 27th August 2020.Anyone know when the UK did?
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