2nd Election Debate The Good, The Bad and The Ugly Who won?

[simonbrooks]

Love how the mirror reports this!

Cameron in 3rd place? (They must have been watching channel 4!)

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/general-election/news...

Simon

[RichB]

Galsia said:

Did anybody else notice that the host was only interrupting Nick Clegg? It was also strange how the sound kept cutting out whenever Clegg was speaking.

Sky News don't seem unbiased. I wonder why that is...

According to somebody on another forum I go on that went to the debate, the questions from the audience were quite different to what they originally asked. For example, the question about carbon emissions and green transport including cycling was originally just about carbon emissions. Sky tacked on the bit about bicycles on to give Cameron an advantage...

No, I actually thought the exact opposite so it just shows that whoever your favorite is you will feel they were hard done by. I thought the Sky mediator gave Clegg far more air-time than either of the other two and indeed on occasions after Brown had been waffling on and Clegg had a good crack at an answer when Cameron was about to answer he cut him off and moved the debate on.

[lord summerisle]

doesn't surprise me with the mirror.
the thread on the debate on the cycling forum 'singletrack' was full of the same 'browns winning easily' 'cameron' is loosing badly' type crap.

[eps]

Galsia said:

Did anybody else notice that the host was only interrupting Nick Clegg? It was also strange how the sound kept cutting out whenever Clegg was speaking.

Sky News don't seem unbiased. I wonder why that is...

According to somebody on another forum I go on that went to the debate, the questions from the audience were quite different to what they originally asked. For example, the question about carbon emissions and green transport including cycling was originally just about carbon emissions. Sky tacked on the bit about bicycles on to give Cameron an advantage...

He was probably the only one that needed interrupting! He seemed a little surprised when the others were able to make their points within the allotted time..

[limpsfield]

Only watched by 4 million according to early figures - 9.4m last week

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_20...

Edited by limpsfield on Friday 23 April 11:50

[Goochie]

limpsfield said:

Only watched by 4 million according to early figures - 9.4m last week

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_20...

Edited by limpsfield on Friday 23 April 11:50

Its probable that lots of people thought "its on Sky so I cant watch it"

[smn159]

simonbrooks said:

Love how the mirror reports this!

Cameron in 3rd place? (They must have been watching channel 4!)

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/general-election/news...

Simon

'Cos PH'ers really know that Cameron won by 36 points

[Morningside]

Lost_BMW said:

RichB said:

Lost_BMW said:

Symbolica said:

My vote goes to any party that vows to remove Peter (not calling him Lord, he doesn't deserve it) Mandleson's peerage

Priming him to move on . . and become next Labour Prime Minister!

Who, Mandelson? How could that happen?

He's the master of the dark arts . . . apparently.


And, "the power behind the throne".


Never underestimate Mandy, he can turn up in the most unexpected places!

Tory front bench?

[Mr E Driver]

CMD on R4 now taking questions from phone callers

[SmoothRB]

BruceV8 said:

Yeast Lord said:

I know, I don't understand why people are rooting for him because he's just as annoying as winky and nothing he was saying had any substance. I cannot understand why cameron isn't running away with this because he's saying all the right things IMO.

Because in a country half filled with shallow gullible fools trained by the media to think that 'celebrity' and image are important, they will vote for the best looking one. Just like they did with Blair.

It was the same in the US with Kennedy vs Nixon. Kennedy won the TV debate but those who listened to it on the radio said Nixon won. Kennedy was good looking and smiled a lot...his stagecraft was better.

Point is most people are not intellectual and do not vote on ideas and policies...they just go with emotions. Modern politicians have realised this and exploit it wit spin doctors and body language coaches etc. It's cynical and maybe why democracy is doomed.

[Trommel]

Mr E Driver said:

CMD on R4 now taking questions from phone callers

Caught the last few minutes and thought he came across fairly well.

[Mr E Driver]

I listened to it all and he does say the right things.....well I still think they should scrap replacing Trident but let the rest of the world think we are replacing it.
It is unlikely there is going to be the risk of using it as the Cuban missile crisis was the worst and nothing has come close since.
If the current system works well enough now (and has been never used) then the chances of it not working in the future will be slim or do nuclear missiles go off?

[Sheets Tabuer]

A nuclear missile needs continual maintenance and monitoring, thats why they are so expensive.

You have a decaying material housed in a fueled tube, you can't just make it and walk off.

[SmoothRB]

Mr E Driver said:

If the current system works well enough now (and has been never used) then the chances of it not working in the future will be slim or do nuclear missiles go off?

MAD doesn't need the weapons to be used to ensure peace.

Get a clue.

[Mr E Driver]

Ahhh Yes I'm well aware of the theory of MAD and I was well aware of the Bay of pigs and the Kennedy assination at the time it happened and all that stuff but just let everyone think we have the capability, it would be a lot cheaper!

Look at it another way are you going to build a 20ft bunker in your garden just on the off chance of a bomb falling?

[simonbrooks]

smn159 said:

simonbrooks said:

Love how the mirror reports this!

Cameron in 3rd place? (They must have been watching channel 4!)

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/general-election/news...

Simon

'Cos PH'ers really know that Cameron won by 36 points

Interesting that a number of polls now really do have Cameron out front!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_20...

Even Channel4 have changed their tune from having Lib dem 1 Labour 2 and Conservatives 3rd to

Daily poll of polls
Conservative: 34 per cent
Labour: 29 per cent
Liberal Democrat: 28 per cent

PFU polling tracker (recent polls, weighted)
Conservative: 33 per cent
Liberal Democrat: 30 per cent
Labour: 28 per cent

Outcome (Based on polling tracker, assuming national swing reproduced in every constituency)
Conservatives: 245 seats
Labour: 275 seats
Liberal Democrat: 99 seats
Other: 31 seats
Labour short of an overall majority by 51.

Where the money is (Analysis based on money wagered on the election in political betting markets)
Conservative: 306 seats
Labour: 226 seats
Liberal Democrat: 84 seats
Other: 34 seats
Conservatives short of an overall majority by 20 seats.

% chance of Conservative overall majority: 36.8 per cent
% chance of Labour overall majority: 4.9 per cent
% chance of Liberal Democrat overall majority: 1.6 per cent
% chance of No overall majority: 56.7 per cent
(Chances based on odds from betting exchanges)

Simon

Edited by simonbrooks on Friday 23 April 14:38

[HUW JONES]

Kraftwerk have let themselves go a bit.

[Ayahuasca]

simonbrooks said:

% chance of Conservative overall majority: 36.8 per cent
% chance of Labour overall majority: 4.9 per cent
% chance of Liberal Democrat overall majority: 1.6 per cent
% chance of No overall majority: 56.7 per cent
(Chances based on odds from betting exchanges)

Assuming this is factored into the currency exchange rates, if there is not a hung parliament there will be a serious profit on buying Sterling now, which you could probably hedge by betting for a hung parliament. Anyone do the math?

[chris watton]

simonbrooks said:

Love how the mirror reports this!

Cameron in 3rd place? (They must have been watching channel 4!)

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/general-election/news...

Simon

LOL, That paper is now completely in the realms of socialist fantasy land - who would be foolish enough to believe anything that's written, when it even tries to state that Eddie Izzard's Labour Party political broadcast is their most popular video!

As for the debate, I stopped watching after 20 minutes, too anodyne, and so, so boring. Let's face it, none can tell the truth for fear of upsetting the different sides of the medua/political factions, who would then convert any 'real' comments with substance into a weapon to beat them with.

[RichB]

Ayahuasca said:

Anyone do the maths?

EFA