Malaysia Airlines Plane "Loses Contact"

Malaysia Airlines Plane "Loses Contact"

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jmorgan

36,010 posts

286 months

Friday 25th April 2014
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And after 11/9, I think there would be a lot of grounded pilots and hence fleets whilst they try to work out who has flipped.

Halmyre

11,323 posts

141 months

Friday 25th April 2014
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ATTAK Z said:
Mike215 said:
I will tell you what happened to the plane. It was deliberately blown up to prevent its two MUSLIM PILOTS from making a suicide run on Petronas Twin Towers in downtown Kuala Lumpur. How did the the authorities know it was a suicide run? Because the Muslim pilots were following the actions of the four Muslim pilots in the 911 attacks: first, cut off all verbal communication; two, disable the tracking electronics; and three, change course without permission Once they changed course the authorities had only 20 or so minutes before the plane would hit the towers so they had to act fast and blow it up. The wreckage was probably collected as soon as possible.
These stories that the plane flew for thousands of miles with everybody dead was fiction just as the stories now that it landed somewhere. It cannot be admitted that the plane was deliberately destroyed.
I really think this is a plausible and believable scenario ... can anyone explain why this could NOT have happened ?
1. What counter-measure could they bring to bear in just 20 minutes?
2. Assuming (1) takes place, how could they possibly carry out a clean-up without being spotted?


Mr Trophy

6,808 posts

205 months

Friday 25th April 2014
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Er, so if it was shot down why not just tell everyone?

It was shot down to save thousands of lifes?

daddy cool

4,006 posts

231 months

Friday 25th April 2014
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Steffan said:
From memory there was a Colombian plane that smashed to pieces in the mountains and was not found for over 20 years.
Do you mean "Stardust" in 1947? That was, and still is, a story im fascinated by. The plane actually hit the top of a mountain and sunk into the snow and ice. It was 50 years before the wreckage worked its way down the mountain inside a glacier, much of it (and some parts of the humans) very well preserved, and was then found thawed out.
But while that 50 year old mystery was solved, the final piece isnt - why was the word "STENDEC" repeatedly transmitted in the moments before the crash?

If you wanted to read up about this story, why not listen to Willie Nelson performing his classic song "Stadust" while you do? Its nothing to do with the plane, but i like to pretend it is...

GreatPretender

26,140 posts

216 months

Friday 25th April 2014
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B17NNS said:
The World Trade Centres were hit an hour to early. Perhaps MUSLIM terrorists are st with time?
Source?

The first plane impacted at 08.46, when most, if not all of the WTC employees would at least be in the building. It is prime time AFAIC.

oyster

12,684 posts

250 months

Friday 25th April 2014
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Auntieroll said:
I am convinced that the relevant authorities know where MH 370 is, the engine monitoring telemetry is monitored all the time AFAIK, with the relevant information supplied on a " subscription basis".
I suspect that the people who had the information about the crash site have probably been relieved of the responsibility of keeping it quiet from the media, I would start looking at where military vessels, particularly ones flying the Stars and Stripes or the Union Flag have been stationary for some relevant time in the Southern Hemisphere, possibly not in the Southern Ocean but the Coral sea or Pacific.
The whole affair smells fishy to me, it reeks of high level Government cover up for whatever reason, possibly terrorism , the Malaysians do not have the raw satellite information to which the the US and Brits have access ,I'm guessing that someone, somewhere doesn't want the truth to emerge, well maybe not just yet.
Good grief.
More than 2 hundred loved ones are missing, presumed dead, and all you think is your little childish conspiracy theories.

thismonkeyhere

10,538 posts

233 months

Friday 25th April 2014
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Steffan said:
If a serious missile was used
As opposed to those jokey missiles where a little flag pops out with the word 'BANG' on it?

GSE

2,345 posts

241 months

Friday 25th April 2014
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Interesting report on the Inmarsat Ping Analysis:

http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/future_te...

daddy cool

4,006 posts

231 months

Friday 25th April 2014
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thismonkeyhere said:
Steffan said:
If a serious missile was used
As opposed to those jokey missiles where a little flag pops out with the word 'BANG' on it?

oyster

12,684 posts

250 months

Friday 25th April 2014
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ATTAK Z said:
lamboman100 said:
ATTAK Z said:
Mike215 said:
I will tell you what happened to the plane. It was deliberately blown up to prevent its two MUSLIM PILOTS from making a suicide run on Petronas Twin Towers in downtown Kuala Lumpur. How did the the authorities know it was a suicide run? Because the Muslim pilots were following the actions of the four Muslim pilots in the 911 attacks: first, cut off all verbal communication; two, disable the tracking electronics; and three, change course without permission Once they changed course the authorities had only 20 or so minutes before the plane would hit the towers so they had to act fast and blow it up. The wreckage was probably collected as soon as possible.
These stories that the plane flew for thousands of miles with everybody dead was fiction just as the stories now that it landed somewhere. It cannot be admitted that the plane was deliberately destroyed.
I really think this is a plausible and believable scenario ... can anyone explain why this could NOT have happened ?
There are Chinese radar and British satellite traces showing the plane flying back towards Malaysia, away from Malaysia, and then ending in the middle of the Indian Ocean. It is a big sea with a small plane in it, which will take time to find. Don't forget, people lose money down the back of their sofa at home and never find it.
Well Lamboman, your response begs the question 'do you really believe the information issued (well after the disappearance) by any government's secret radar ?'
Why would Inmarsat (a British based PLC) fabricate stories?

TheSnitch

2,342 posts

156 months

Friday 25th April 2014
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oyster said:
Auntieroll said:
I am convinced that the relevant authorities know where MH 370 is, the engine monitoring telemetry is monitored all the time AFAIK, with the relevant information supplied on a " subscription basis".
I suspect that the people who had the information about the crash site have probably been relieved of the responsibility of keeping it quiet from the media, I would start looking at where military vessels, particularly ones flying the Stars and Stripes or the Union Flag have been stationary for some relevant time in the Southern Hemisphere, possibly not in the Southern Ocean but the Coral sea or Pacific.
The whole affair smells fishy to me, it reeks of high level Government cover up for whatever reason, possibly terrorism , the Malaysians do not have the raw satellite information to which the the US and Brits have access ,I'm guessing that someone, somewhere doesn't want the truth to emerge, well maybe not just yet.
Good grief.
More than 2 hundred loved ones are missing, presumed dead, and all you think is your little childish conspiracy theories.
Those five words - ''high level Government cover up'' - which strike fear in the heart of any reader, as they know what follows is a load of monumental bks.

Missing plane in Malaysia - ''high level Government cover up''
Missing child in the Algarve - ''high level Government cover up''

It does my head in.

MrCarPark

528 posts

143 months

Friday 25th April 2014
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oyster said:
Why would Inmarsat (a British based PLC) fabricate stories?
It makes no sense.

(a) If there was to be a cover-up of government involvement, of which Inmarsat was a part, then plausible deniability would dictate that Inmarsat just kept publicly quiet about having any data. Then the governments could just shrug their shoulders denying any knowledge of MH370's whereabouts whilst going about their nefarious business in Diego Garcia or wherever.

(b) In a scenario of a cover-up where they put out the ping data as a diversion, what benefit is there in laying a trail of false hope to a deserted corner of the ocean? None that I can see that wouldn't be better served by approach (a)

On the other hand, if you choose to believe that Inmarsat have been party to nefarious business, then all possible conspiracy theories are available to you.

durbster

10,352 posts

224 months

Friday 25th April 2014
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TheSnitch said:
Those five words - ''high level Government cover up'' - which strike fear in the heart of any reader, as they know what follows is a load of monumental bks.

Missing plane in Malaysia - ''high level Government cover up''
Missing child in the Algarve - ''high level Government cover up''

It does my head in.
Me too, because it infers that Government departments are capable, organised and clever enough to carry off such things successfully.

Dr Jekyll

23,820 posts

263 months

Friday 25th April 2014
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daddy cool said:
But while that 50 year old mystery was solved, the final piece isnt - why was the word "STENDEC" repeatedly transmitted in the moments before the crash?
STENDEC was transmitted in Morse code, and such transmissions would usually end with 'AR', or DOT/DASH/ DOT/DASH/DOT.

So this could account for the 'EC' which would have been DOT DASH/DOT/DASH/DOT.

A typical message would have been STAR (For Std arrival, then a letter denoting direction. So something like STARSAR, it wouldn't take much misreading or sloppy transmission to account for STENDEC.

thismonkeyhere

10,538 posts

233 months

Friday 25th April 2014
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daddy cool said:
thismonkeyhere said:
Steffan said:
If a serious missile was used
As opposed to those jokey missiles where a little flag pops out with the word 'BANG' on it?
hehe Awesome.

B17NNS

18,506 posts

249 months

Friday 25th April 2014
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GreatPretender said:
The first plane impacted at 08.46, when most, if not all of the WTC employees would at least be in the building. It is prime time AFAIC.
WTC 1 and WTC2 combined held 50,000 workers. Excluding the attackers, passengers and rescue workers who entered the buildings after the impacts there were about 2,300 fatalities at that site that day.

Chances of escape above the impact were very slim. Seems to me the towers weren't remotely close to normal working capacity.

I'd have booked 9am flights personally for a 10am 'arrival'. Allow for the last stragglers to arrive plus visitors.

That and aimed a bit lower.

jshell

11,188 posts

207 months

Friday 25th April 2014
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ATTAK Z said:
Mike215 said:
I will tell you what happened to the plane. It was deliberately blown up to prevent its two MUSLIM PILOTS from making a suicide run on Petronas Twin Towers in downtown Kuala Lumpur. How did the the authorities know it was a suicide run? Because the Muslim pilots were following the actions of the four Muslim pilots in the 911 attacks: first, cut off all verbal communication; two, disable the tracking electronics; and three, change course without permission Once they changed course the authorities had only 20 or so minutes before the plane would hit the towers so they had to act fast and blow it up. The wreckage was probably collected as soon as possible.
These stories that the plane flew for thousands of miles with everybody dead was fiction just as the stories now that it landed somewhere. It cannot be admitted that the plane was deliberately destroyed.
I really think this is a plausible and believable scenario ... can anyone explain why this could NOT have happened ?
Another thread that clearly and accurately allows me to define the conspiracy 'tards and add more fkwits to my 'ignore' list. I'm also losing respect for those that even bother to reply to them.

TTmonkey

20,911 posts

249 months

Friday 25th April 2014
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GreatPretender said:
Source?

The first plane impacted at 08.46, when most, if not all of the WTC employees would at least be in the building. It is prime time AFAIC.
Actually, although some indevidual companies in the tower were fully manned, many thousands of workers were still on the way to work at the time of the first impact. Many finance company employees didnt tend to get to work early as many worked later in the evening I believe.

Langweilig

4,356 posts

213 months

Friday 25th April 2014
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daddy cool said:
Steffan said:
From memory there was a Colombian plane that smashed to pieces in the mountains and was not found for over 20 years.
Do you mean "Stardust" in 1947? That was, and still is, a story im fascinated by. The plane actually hit the top of a mountain and sunk into the snow and ice. It was 50 years before the wreckage worked its way down the mountain inside a glacier, much of it (and some parts of the humans) very well preserved, and was then found thawed out.
But while that 50 year old mystery was solved, the final piece isnt - why was the word "STENDEC" repeatedly transmitted in the moments before the crash?
A hurriedly transmitted morse message. Rearrange the letters, it reads "DESCENT"

anonymous-user

56 months

Friday 25th April 2014
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Langweilig said:
daddy cool said:
Steffan said:
From memory there was a Colombian plane that smashed to pieces in the mountains and was not found for over 20 years.
Do you mean "Stardust" in 1947? That was, and still is, a story im fascinated by. The plane actually hit the top of a mountain and sunk into the snow and ice. It was 50 years before the wreckage worked its way down the mountain inside a glacier, much of it (and some parts of the humans) very well preserved, and was then found thawed out.
But while that 50 year old mystery was solved, the final piece isnt - why was the word "STENDEC" repeatedly transmitted in the moments before the crash?
A hurriedly transmitted morse message. Rearrange the letters, it reads "DESCENT"
Also SCENTED maybe a particularly noxious fart?