45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. (Vol 4)

[Byker28i]

Economy
As a candidate, trump promised his policies would generate sustained 4% annual economic growth.
After he became president the White House promised 3%
Yesterday his administration reported 1st quarter 2018 growth of 2.2%

[paulguitar]

Nanook said:

So we should treat everyone fairly and with respect.

Except Trump?

Trump has shown himself repeatedly, over decades, to be thoroughly dishonest untrustworthy. The most realistic position to take is to assume he is lying or profiteering and be pleasantly surprised if that is not the case.


'Reep what you sow' is the phrase, I think.

[Gameface]

paulguitar said:

'Reep what you sow' is the phrase, I think.

Close...

[paulguitar]

coyft said:

With Trump my default position is to fact check anything he says.

How do you have any time in life to do anything else!?

[Challo]

Nanook said:

paulguitar said:

Trump has shown himself repeatedly, over decades, to be thoroughly dishonest untrustworthy. The most realistic position to take is to assume he is lying or profiteering and be pleasantly surprised if that is not the case.

And Kim K hasn't? There's not a single person on this thread that's actually looking at the whole situation objectively, and without personal bias. It makes for a crap debate tbh.

paulguitar said:

'Reep what you sow' is the phrase, I think.

Nearly.

Reading a little of the back story, its clear that Kim K has been supporting the release of a women in jail which is fantastic and hope she gets the sentence overturned, but what fabulous insight will Kim bring to talk about prison reform?

[Challo]

Byker28i said:

Economy
As a candidate, trump promised his policies would generate sustained 4% annual economic growth.
After he became president the White House promised 3%
Yesterday his administration reported 1st quarter 2018 growth of 2.2%

Issue is this wont get picked up, because the focus is on the bks he tweets out everyday. Seems to be spending his time trying to force Sessions to resign, promote Fox News contributors books, and undermine the investigation by quoting people claiming the FBI to be spying.

So much for being hard at work. The guy is a moron.

[paulguitar]

Nanook said:

paulguitar said:

Trump has shown himself repeatedly, over decades, to be thoroughly dishonest untrustworthy. The most realistic position to take is to assume he is lying or profiteering and be pleasantly surprised if that is not the case.

And Kim K hasn't? There's not a single person on this thread that's actually looking at the whole situation objectively, and without personal bias. It makes for a crap debate tbh.

paulguitar said:

'Reep what you sow' is the phrase, I think.

Nearly.

Sorry, I had not seen the context of that, I thought it was a general bunch of comments of Trump's lack of honesty.

Apologies all around.

[paulguitar]

Gameface said:

paulguitar said:

'Reep what you sow' is the phrase, I think.

Close...

How embarrassing. It's early where I am!

[The Dangerous Elk]

paulguitar said:

Sorry, I had not seen the context of that, I thought it was a general bunch of comments of Trump's lack of honesty.

Apologies all around.

Console yourself with a Hamberg er

[Escapegoat]

coyft said:

A lot of it is hyperbole and exaggeration and is of no real consequence. It's his personality, it's not like he's changed, he campaigned using the same rhetoric and the citizens of the USA voted for him. That's democracy for you.

For the avoidance of doubt I would prefer that all politicians told the truth. With Trump my default position is to fact check anything he says.

You evaded the point I was making. To clarify: I was asking why you seize on minor factual points within comments here, while never doing the same with Trump. To be even more specific: it's only comments from posters who point out negatives with Trump et al; you never jump on factual issues posted by others who are also here defending Trump.

From your contributions to this thread, it looks like you turn a blind eye to Trump's misbehaviour, while suddenly discovering you do - after all - have principles when debating the finer points with others here. It's a bit lop-sided, no?

To me, that only makes sense, if your #1 aim is to troll, and Trump is just a useful means to that end.

[Old Man Fred]

kowalski655 said:

Obama turned down the woman KK is pleading for 3 times, so of course Trump will pardon her.
Wonder if he tried to grab Kim by the pussy?

Trump has pardoned someone, but not a woman. I don't know anything about Dinesh D’Souza...

Donald J. Trump
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Will be giving a Full Pardon to Dinesh D’Souza today. He was treated very unfairly by our government!

ETA - it starts to become clearer now..

"In 2012, D'Souza released his film 2016: Obama's America, an anti-Obama polemic based on his 2010 book The Roots of Obama's Rage
On May 20, 2014, D'Souza pleaded guilty in federal court to one charge of using a "straw donor" to make an illegal campaign contribution to a 2012 United States Senate campaign"

So someone that makes illegal campaign donations and hates Obama, now why would Trump want to pardon him???

Edited by Old Man Fred on Thursday 31st May 14:35

[kowalski655]

The guy got 8 months in not-even-a-prison, hardly comparable suffering to a woman in for life,no parole,for a 1st drug offence, albeit a fairly serious one. But he hates 44 so that's a free pass,even if a bit brown.

[paulguitar]

coyft said:

But he’s a man that get things done, he’s had four highly successful careers and is shaking things up. He’s clearly far from stupid and possesses a lot of energy for a man in his seventies. Most posters chose to ignore or deny these simple facts.

I think it is pretty well established that trump was far from universally successful in business. Of course, it is hard to tell since he repeatedly lied about releasing his tax returns, and also has lied countless times over decades about his wealth. He inherited a large fortune and it’s been said had he simply left that alone, invested sensibly, he would have more money now. So, not really too impressive.


I am also curious, Croyft, as you say often that facts are important to you, how you were so relaxed when we recently discussed the colossal birtherism lie? Surely, as some for whom facts are so important, you would be hopping mad about that?

[schmunk]

Old Man Fred said:

Trump has pardoned someone, but not a woman. I don't know anything about Dinesh D’Souza...

He sounds like a great guy!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinesh_D'Souza

[paulguitar]

coyft said:

paulguitar said:

coyft said:

But he’s a man that get things done, he’s had four highly successful careers and is shaking things up. He’s clearly far from stupid and possesses a lot of energy for a man in his seventies. Most posters chose to ignore or deny these simple facts.

I think it is pretty well established that trump was far from universally successful in business. Of course, it is hard to tell since he repeatedly lied about releasing his tax returns, and also has lied countless times over decades about his wealth. He inherited a large fortune and it’s been said had he simply left that alone, invested sensibly, he would have more money now. So, not really too impressive.


I am also curious, Croyft, as you say often that facts are important to you, how you were so relaxed when we recently discussed the colossal birtherism lie? Surely, as some for whom facts are so important, you would be hopping mad about that?

During the presidential campaign Trump stated “President Barack Obama was born in the United States. Period”

Surely we don’t need to revisit that again?

I brought it up, because lately you have decided that facts are important to you, and yet when we discussed Birtherism, you were rather reluctant to be particularly critical of it, which contradict you saying facts are important to you.


As to the press conference you refer to when donald graciously ‘announced’ that Barack Obama was indeed born in the USA, I thought that was perhaps one of the lowest points in the public life of a man who has had some of the lowest points of anyone on the planet. It was truly disgusting.

[Byker28i]

Challo said:

Byker28i said:

Economy
As a candidate, trump promised his policies would generate sustained 4% annual economic growth.
After he became president the White House promised 3%
Yesterday his administration reported 1st quarter 2018 growth of 2.2%

Issue is this wont get picked up, because the focus is on the bks he tweets out everyday. Seems to be spending his time trying to force Sessions to resign, promote Fox News contributors books, and undermine the investigation by quoting people claiming the FBI to be spying.

So much for being hard at work. The guy is a moron.

Neither will about 3 reports showing that employees aren't benefiting from the tax cuts, only the shareholders are

[Byker28i]

paulguitar said:

I brought it up, because lately you have decided that facts are important to you,

except when he quotes facts that we all show are wrong and he glosses over that fact....

[IJB1959]

coyft said:

Escapegoat said:

coyft said:

A lot of it is hyperbole and exaggeration and is of no real consequence. It's his personality, it's not like he's changed, he campaigned using the same rhetoric and the citizens of the USA voted for him. That's democracy for you.

For the avoidance of doubt I would prefer that all politicians told the truth. With Trump my default position is to fact check anything he says.

You evaded the point I was making. To clarify: I was asking why you seize on minor factual points within comments here, while never doing the same with Trump. To be even more specific: it's only comments from posters who point out negatives with Trump et al; you never jump on factual issues posted by others who are also here defending Trump.

From your contributions to this thread, it looks like you turn a blind eye to Trump's misbehaviour, while suddenly discovering you do - after all - have principles when debating the finer points with others here. It's a bit lop-sided, no?

To me, that only makes sense, if your #1 aim is to troll, and Trump is just a useful means to that end.

Surely you don’t need another poster pointing out negative things about Trump? We all know he’s got a huge ego, is misogynistic and is full of hyperbole.

But he’s a man that get things done, he’s had four highly successful careers and is shaking things up. He’s clearly far from stupid and possesses a lot of energy for a man in his seventies. Most posters chose to ignore or deny these simple facts.

Trump borrowed 1m dollars from his father to get started.......hardly a self made man to start with. The rest of his business ventures was using very large loans. There are some reports that he is technically bankrupt.

Here are but a few of his business failures....so not stupid then?;

Trump Airlines
Trump Vodka
Trump Casinos
The board game Trump
Trump Magazine
Trump Steaks
GoTrump.com
Trump University
Trump Mortgage

I'm sure he has 'shaken up' a lot of people with this little lot.

[Byker28i]

Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones admitted on oath that the donald put pressure on NFL owners for his own personal political gain.

NFL owners passed their recent anti-kneeling rule in direct response to Donald Trump’s private threats of retaliation

https://sports.yahoo.com/cant-win-one-president-tr...

[DMN]

Trump imposes steel and aluminum tariffs on the European Union, Canada and Mexico

https://www.washingtonpost.com/gdpr-consent/?desti...


But trade wars are easy to win right (except that one with China he is losing); and this isn't the first time America has tried and failed with the EU:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_United_States_s...