Voting as a muslim

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So...

Whats all the Islamic educution PH spunk fest got to do with political parties? Nothing right? So get this racist abuse against a certain group out of the tory party. It's not hard is it?

1. Suspend the members in question for anti islamic rhetoric - Check (apart from the leader, he can't be overthrown, and his letterbox comments are fluffy and well intended)
2. Hold an enquiry into this anti islamic rhetoric.. schedule it for after the elections so more important issues can be focussed on - errrrrr
3. Carry on

i'ts not difficult.

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Looks like the rabid racist party doesn't learn.. reinstating a councillor who made racist remarks.

https://metro.co.uk/2019/11/21/conservative-party-...

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768 said:

So don't vote Conservative.

Yeah..

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Posted on another thread.. good video about our politics and racism

https://youtu.be/ymaWq5yZIYM

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Elatino1 said:

Keoparakolo said:

Here we go again. Letterboxes, bank robbers, ducking the opportunity to investigate Islamophobia.

If that's the sort of petty set of adjectives that people call racism these days then I'd say some are being far too sensitive. It's hardly like the sort of things being said in the 70s.

Not exactly inciting violence by trying to be amusing. France banned that sort of thing, is that racist? British people take the mickey out of anything including themselves, doesn't make it racist.

How much racism is an acceptable tolerance in your view ? Being called a and told to go back home? What about being accosted in public transport for your religious beliefs?

Hint: none of it is ok

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ChevyChase77 said:

Personally I'd have the Burqa banned or anything that covers the face. Does that make me racist?

So you’d be perfectly happy with ladies covering their hair but ban them covering their face? What about the long dress some women wear to cover themselves?

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Elatino1 said:

s1962a said:

How much racism is an acceptable tolerance in your view ? Being called a and told to go back home? What about being accosted in public transport for your religious beliefs?

Hint: none of it is ok

Surely not serious. Taking the Mickey out of someone clothes is nothing like any of your examples. If someone dresses as a stormtrooper, Wookie, clown, Jesus, the devil, full Japanese Samurai/Ninja clothing etc etc they would all expect a bit of ribbing. Other than for purposes of PPE there is no need to cover ones face in public and as suggested it severely hampers communication. This is very different to any of your examples.

Wearing a burka is not assimilating and unlikely to help with job prospects either.

Are you sure you replied to the correct comment?

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gizlaroc said:

s1962a said:

So you’d be perfectly happy with ladies covering their hair but ban them covering their face? What about the long dress some women wear to cover themselves?

Hijab is a completely different thing, it doesn't stop you from being able to see someone expression and makes communicating with people far easier.


Why do some wear a hijab and other feel the need for a burka or niqab?

Yeah good question and it’s good you know the difference between the head covering and the face veil. Isn’t a better question whether we should be dictating to women what they should or shouldn’t wear ?

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JuanCarlosFandango said:

Though now you mention it, even the Nazis would have good reason to object to being compared with some of the worst examples of radical Islam. Kinder, Küche, Kirche is positively progressive compared to the treatment of women in Saudi Arabia or under the Taliban. Gay men might well prefer a swift bullet from an SS Officers pistol compared to being thrown off a building in front of a baying crowd as ISIS did. ISIS may not have concentration camps but they systematically oppressed, enslaved and wiped out minorities in the areas they controlled.

Bringing back to the political foray, do you lobby the government to not do business with the likes of Saudi Arabia and other wealthy Muslim countries, so you know, we don’t look like hypocrites condemning their religious practices on one hand and bending over backwards to seal lucrative deals with them?

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Elatino1 said:

s1962a said:

Elatino1 said:

s1962a said:

How much racism is an acceptable tolerance in your view ? Being called a and told to go back home? What about being accosted in public transport for your religious beliefs?

Hint: none of it is ok

Surely not serious. Taking the Mickey out of someone clothes is nothing like any of your examples. If someone dresses as a stormtrooper, Wookie, clown, Jesus, the devil, full Japanese Samurai/Ninja clothing etc etc they would all expect a bit of ribbing. Other than for purposes of PPE there is no need to cover ones face in public and as suggested it severely hampers communication. This is very different to any of your examples.

Wearing a burka is not assimilating and unlikely to help with job prospects either.

Are you sure you replied to the correct comment?

I am yes. Nothing I said is an act of racism, what you said is.

Assuming you replied to the corrrect statement, let me get this right. You are equating being called a to getting a ribbing for dressing up as a stormtrooper? what?

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Keoparakolo said:

ChevyChase77 said:

Keoparakolo said:

gizlaroc said:

Crash Helmets in a public place when not on a bike yeah, all the things you list are worn when doing a job. If someone walked towards you wearing a gas mask you would be fine with that would you? Yeah sure you would.

I don't like speaking to people who cover their face, some girl came up to me the other night with scarf wrapped round her face and a hoody on, you could sort of see her eyes only and it isn't a nice way to communicate with someone.

He said he would ban anything that covers the face. He didn’t qualify it in any way. What about a hood on many jackets that can scrunch up and cover most of the face. Are they banned? Even if it’s raining?

Come up with a reason to ban the burka, other than it not being a nice way to communicate.

You're being purposely obtuse/pedantic. If there is a good reason, such breathing apparatus for fireman whilst carrying out their duties then that's fine. If it's a motorcyclist going into a shop I would expect him to take his helmet off.

There was a Muslim woman caught on video being homophobic to a former Big Brother contestant. The Muslim woman was wearing a Burqa and it took much longer than usual to catch the Muslim woman for this hate crime because her face was covered.

I’m not. You specifically stated ban anything that covers the face, now you want to apply some exceptions. Plus you keep missing the opportunity to explain why you want the burka banned, one off anecdotes don’t make a particularly compelling case.

Here's a muslim woman actually trying to diffuse a brutal racist anti semitic attack.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-5054477...

What does that prove? Human beings can be good or bad, it's got nothing to do with your choice of attire.

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Blimey, the anti islamic mob are out tonight aren't they? is this what happens when you have a day of anti racist news in political parties? (anti semitism in the labour party, and anti islamic rhetoric with the tories).

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chrispmartha said:

Troubleatmill said:

Keoparakolo said:

Troubleatmill said:

This has been done to death.

But, why not one more.

The ability for society to identify you is important.

We have millions of cameras designed to identify you as being in a particular place at a particular time.

Some activities do need apparatus to cover your face for health and safety reasons

When you are not performing those activities you remove the apparatus.

I think it was the Dutch ??? that got it right. The covering of your face, unless there is a reasonable reason to do so - results in a fine

Why did they get it right? Doesn’t seem particularly right to me.

IIRC it was for the reasons above. You need to be identifiable.
If you don’t like it. Don’t go there.

Well it was a roaring success ...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/aug/01/dutc...

"The Netherlands’ so-called burqa ban has been rendered largely unworkable on its first day in law after both the police and Dutch transport companies signalled an unwillingness to enforce it."

Most far right reactionary 'laws' aren't very well thought out.

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Mothersruin said:

Keoparakolo said:

Troubleatmill said:

This has been done to death.

But, why not one more.

The ability for society to identify you is important.

We have millions of cameras designed to identify you as being in a particular place at a particular time.

Some activities do need apparatus to cover your face for health and safety reasons

When you are not performing those activities you remove the apparatus.

I think it was the Dutch ??? that got it right. The covering of your face, unless there is a reasonable reason to do so - results in a fine

Why did they get it right? Doesn’t seem particularly right to me.

I'm with you, doesn't seem right to me either - fines are rubbish, should be launched into space.

Explain that comment. Are you suggesting some sort of violent punishment against women that cover their faces?

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Mothersruin said:

s1962a said:

Mothersruin said:

Keoparakolo said:

Troubleatmill said:

This has been done to death.

But, why not one more.

The ability for society to identify you is important.

We have millions of cameras designed to identify you as being in a particular place at a particular time.

Some activities do need apparatus to cover your face for health and safety reasons

When you are not performing those activities you remove the apparatus.

I think it was the Dutch ??? that got it right. The covering of your face, unless there is a reasonable reason to do so - results in a fine

Why did they get it right? Doesn’t seem particularly right to me.

I'm with you, doesn't seem right to me either - fines are rubbish, should be launched into space.

Explain that comment. Are you suggesting some sort of violent punishment against women that cover their faces?

Lol, you're a bit jumpy.

No, I was just making a joke at the expense of Keo's position - plus I didn't see anything about women's faces in that particular chain, just general face coverings for PPE/security etc....

However, it's a shame you bit at a meaning that wasn't there, sort of proves a point that you can't even have lighthearted discussions about these things. I take it you're a moderate muslim yet you went to DEFCON 3. Luckily you're not the sort that goes to DEFCON 1 at the drop of a kufi.

defon 3? I just asked you to explain it, and now you have. I do respect the fact you didn't try to hide the jibe you were making - some posters on here backtrack completely when you ask them to explain their comments.

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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/11/26/muslim...

Good reading that explains the situation a bit more. With the anti semitic issues the labour party has, it seems like the whole political system has a problem with racism and prejudice.

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TTwiggy said:

ChevyChase77 said:

If a woman is allowed in a store with burqa on why is it asked that motorcylists for instance remove their helmet?

Because a helmet is not a religious garment. It's really very simple, and while I'm sure that most of us hope that the Burqua gradually dies out, an enforced removal policy runs contrary to the religious freedom we have in the UK. This is not a secular country in the way that, for instance, France is.

Genuine question for you fellas (or lasses). Have you actually spoken to someone wearing a burka? I've been around muslim people all my life, and whilst i might have seen women covering their face, no one I know, or anyone i've interacted with has done so. So has anyone spoken to someone wearing one?

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ChevyChase77 said:

I suppose my point is - I think it's wrong to cover your face (yes I don't mean whilst out in extreme weather or work required face coverings etc) in public, specifically indoors regardless of race, religion etc.

If a woman is allowed in a store with burqa on why is it asked that motorcylists for instance remove their helmet?

I was going to comment on your earlier comments being a deflectionary tactic talking about general face coverings when you want to comment on the burka specifically, but reading your comments, you actually do care about why people are allowed to cover their faces, so I am really curious as to why you feel so strongly about this?

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ChevyChase77 said:

s1962a said:

TTwiggy said:

ChevyChase77 said:

If a woman is allowed in a store with burqa on why is it asked that motorcylists for instance remove their helmet?

Because a helmet is not a religious garment. It's really very simple, and while I'm sure that most of us hope that the Burqua gradually dies out, an enforced removal policy runs contrary to the religious freedom we have in the UK. This is not a secular country in the way that, for instance, France is.

Genuine question for you fellas (or lasses). Have you actually spoken to someone wearing a burka? I've been around muslim people all my life, and whilst i might have seen women covering their face, no one I know, or anyone i've interacted with has done so. So has anyone spoken to someone wearing one?

But how do you know they're a Muslim if you don't know who it is because you can't see their face? ;-)

So have you had any interactions with a woman who wears a burka?

I thought you were concerned with people generally covering their faces? Make up your mind

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WinstonWolf said:

s1962a said:

TTwiggy said:

ChevyChase77 said:

If a woman is allowed in a store with burqa on why is it asked that motorcylists for instance remove their helmet?

Because a helmet is not a religious garment. It's really very simple, and while I'm sure that most of us hope that the Burqua gradually dies out, an enforced removal policy runs contrary to the religious freedom we have in the UK. This is not a secular country in the way that, for instance, France is.

Genuine question for you fellas (or lasses). Have you actually spoken to someone wearing a burka? I've been around muslim people all my life, and whilst i might have seen women covering their face, no one I know, or anyone i've interacted with has done so. So has anyone spoken to someone wearing one?

Yup, frequently. It's a bit of a bugger trying to understand when you're hard of hearing...

Thats fascinating. Where are you meeting these people wearing a face veil?