Marcus Rashford - School Meals Vouchers Campaign

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BritishBlitz87 said:

Is that relative poverty or absolute poverty?
If it's the former, I was "raised in poverty" under that definition after my parents got divorced, but I never went hungry, had more toys and books than even a middle class child of the 50s could have dreamed of. Yes, they were largely second hand, and our holiday was staying with grandparents in exotic Port Talbot or Scarborough for three days. But we were never truly hard up, the worst thing that happened materially was having to walk everywhere for a few months when the car broke down.

Relative.

It's all in the document and the hyperlink takes you to the relevant page which is page 16.

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poo at Paul's said:

So that is to have a family disposable income less than 60% of the median, the median being £29,400 in UK...."disposable" per the ONS.
That would suggest a family with £17k disposable income a year is in "relative poverty??"
Or about £1500 per month....disposable! If that is correct, and "disposable" means after your housing is paid for, that sounds like quite a lot, particularly in lower income areas of the UK.

I suspect there is many PHers with families who have less than £1500 disposable to live on, who are in receipt of pretty much nothing benefit wise, except maybe child benefit.

I believe the median is after taxes and any benefits due but happy to be corrected.

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Murph7355 said:

bhstewie said:

Interesting that you seem to think the "very worst part of this current government" is how they deal with social media.

That's literally the very worst thing you can find to level at them this past year or so?

All they had to do was to say a few words to make clear that the effort and contribution from all of those businesses many of whom are already struggling actually mattered and was appreciated.

Couldn't bring themselves to do it any more than you can bring yourself to say that they should have.

I am saying they already have applauded Rashford. How frequently do you need them to be saying Rashford is a good egg so that you think they mean it or it suits your preference?

Yes, I think any government who seems to be governing by Social Media is a bad thing.

Not Rashford so much as all those businesses and individuals who have stepped in to help out.

Nobody is suggesting they should be doing it every single day.

But some acknowledgement from the Prime Minister and a bit better choice of language when asked three times at a Government press conference would be a good start.

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zygalski said:

And how exactly do we define 'feckless'?
Plenty of folks on PH live massively beyond their means in a fake bubble of loans for watches & PCP for cars they can't really afford, some no doubt having bred children from multiple marriages.
Isn't that a rather feckless lifestyle? Or are we just talking about people who live in council estates and excluding people with huge mortgages?

I think most peoples definition of "feckless" is "anyone but them".

I suspect for many people it only takes a tiny little nudge and far less of one than they might think for them to find themselves turning into one of those they seem to dislike so much.

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loafer123 said:

bhstewie said:

I think most peoples definition of "feckless" is "anyone but them".

I suspect for many people it only takes a tiny little nudge and far less of one than they might think for them to find themselves turning into one of those they seem to dislike so much.

Needing welfare support and fecklessness are not the same thing at all.

Rather than trying and failing to read others minds, and projecting your own political prejudices, perhaps you could contribute to a positive conversation for a change?

If it's all the same I'll decide my own contributions and I'm quite happy with the point I made.

Very few people on here would class themselves as "feckless" yet apparently they're everywhere.

Law of averages dictates there are some on this thread.

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Alucidnation said:

Jordan210 said:

Hancock tells BBC Bojo has been speaking to Rashford. Rashford says hasn't been in contact since June.

Hancock once again lying. getting ridiculous.

How do you know he is lying?

Because Johnson said he hasn't.

Free school meals: Boris Johnson admits he hasn't spoken to Marcus Rashford since June

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Alucidnation said:

Ah but Hancock didn't say when BJ had spoken to him.

Seriously?

Maybe Hancock had his fingers crossed behind his back when he said it does that count too?

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Alucidnation said:

I wonder how long it will be before we see news reports of all the wasted food that was donated.

Doubtful.

Hillingdon Foodbank

You could probably see that story repeated lots around the country.

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Really? Sterilisation? Of children. I know you must be joking, but no.

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Don't think it is.

Some people are broken.

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poo at Paul's said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54692270?fbclid=IwAR...

The poor thing, it is especially hard for her as her kid gets 2 weeks off half term at private school.
Qualified research scientist, hell, she's got no hope of work, i mean who is looking to recruit research scientists at the moment?

"What upsets me the most is the stereotyping of what it is to be a single mum nowadays and callous, derisory comments from people who supposedly represent society,"

Got you pegged hasn't she.

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poo at Paul's said:

bhstewie said:

"What upsets me the most is the stereotyping of what it is to be a single mum nowadays and callous, derisory comments from people who supposedly represent society,"

Got you pegged hasn't she.

Ah, you mean people who can see through the bullst she peddles?

Tell me, how many parents in this country wake up in a morning with more to worry about that her, do you reckon? I mean like people with ill kids, people ill themselves, who have to go to stty arse jobs day in day out to pay their own way, who's kids dont just have to wear 2nd and uniforms, but also get tthe st kicked out of them everyday for being odd, wrong race, religion, etc etc .

Rural Norfolk, with people giving her food to cook, kid at private svhool etc etc. Tell me, how many families on sink estates in London, with drug gangs ruling the roost would swap with her in a heartbeat?

You White Knight her and hoover up her bullst if you like, but not me.

Did she say that there isn't anybody in a worse position than she is?

No.

There will be plenty of parents in the position that you paint and as you said I'm sure there are families who would swap with her in a heartbeat.

Would you swap with her?

Thought not and I know I wouldn't either because I'm pretty damned comfortable with my first-world problems.

You might be called poo at Paul's but don't take it too literally and spend your life stting on people just because you think they're below you.

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poo at Paul's said:

bhstewie said:

Did she say that there isn't anybody in a worse position than she is?

No.

There will be plenty of parents in the position that you paint and as you said I'm sure there are families who would swap with her in a heartbeat.

Would you swap with her?

Thought not and I know I wouldn't either because I'm pretty damned comfortable with my first-world problems.

You might be called poo at Paul's but don't take it too literally and spend your life stting on people just because you think they're below you.

You white knight all you want, but there's millions of us who think she's taking the piss, quite frankly. Again, do you honestly think she cannot afford a pint of milk? A woman with two kids on of whom is in private school........
Hilarious

I'm not white knighting anyone.

She could be an absolutely piss taker for all I know but I think it's a pretty unlikely starting position to put yourself on national media saying "I struggle to feed my kids".

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anonymous said:

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Some will yes.

But I think there's a difference between someone being proven to be lying v assuming they're lying because you can't believe someone could find themselves in such a situation.

This is a genuinely nice story once you get past the irony of an Indian charity feeding kids in the UK

Indian child poverty charity offers free school meals in England

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poo at Paul's said:

fk me, what a gullible sap you are! The epitomy of a White Knight!

If it was some tattooed munter with a Croydon facelift and a drug habit who could not feed her kids, whilst completely believable, you'd not give the slightest hairy fk!

Send her a bottle of milk, she will smile and you can become her bh, Stewie

Seriously you came back just to post that?

Sort your life out.

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poo at Paul's said:

You were the one bringing user names into it earlier, want to dish it out but don't like taking it.

You can believe this story if you like, I called bullst on it, how's it going from your position at the moment then?

And if it wasnt some blonde white middle class totty, you'd not give a crap to defend her complete nonsense and you fking know it. At least have the stones to admit it.

Quite happy to take it.

It it turns out she's lying then she's lying.

As I said a few posts up just because someone might lie doesn't mean the position they claimed to be in isn't possible.

It's nothing to do with her being "blonde white middle class totty" as that's not really my type.

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poo at Paul's said:

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So it is "if she is lying she is lying now", but when anyone suggested she was lying earlier, you jump all over them from you big old horse! ??


Loads more about this woman now on the net, her various instagram and twitter accounts, pics of her holidays, big posh wedding, and how the TV had her poor starving kids foraging and picking up all the windfall apples from the garden...... most of which have just laid there and rotted!
Must have been to hungry to bend down and pick them up!

How to explain this.

The position she outlined in the article is entirely possible.

If it turns out she's a liar and has a McLaren out the back and a sack of cash hidden under the bed I'm not sure that people can account for that.

My point is simply that "she's a liar" is an unusual place to start from but seems to be a common one where this subject is concerned.

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Chrissyboy555 said:

You can’t say there isn’t poverty in uk just because kids ain’t scavenging on rubbish tips!!

Oh I think they'll give it a good try.

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21TonyK said:

£396m Be interesting to see how it is implemented.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-54841316

Excellent news

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Deathmole said:

Angry pistonhead gammon incoming!

As I said on the Johnson thread.

MPs go on TV radio and social media telling everyone why it's the right decision and even use the attack sheets given to them by the whips so they're really sure what they're arguing for.

Then a few weeks later they're back on TV telling everyone why the opposite of what they were telling everyone a few weeks back is the right decision now but what they were saying a few weeks ago is also right.

Same with the people on this thread who were fully supportive of his decision a few weeks ago what's todays verdict?

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Pan Pan Pan said:

One persons embarrassing government U Turns is another persons government being intelligent, flexible and quick to respond to changing circumstances.

Public perception won't be of the Government being "intelligent, flexible and quick to respond to changing circumstances" it will be of the Government being inept and uncaring and out of touch with the public mood.

That's what happens when your "no" is front page news and dominates the media for a week whilst your "oh go on then but it's not a u-turn honest" is quietly slipped out a few weeks later on the day the news media is busy covering the US Presidential elections result.