3rd Iranian Nuclear Scientist Killed

[Countdown]

ChiChoAndy said:

Countdown said:

ChiChoAndy said:

True, but that does not mean they are attempting to get to the higher percentage of enrichment. It simply means they are producing more of the 20% enriched stuff. Having more gas centrifuges does not mean they are trying to get weapons grade material. An increase in production does not equal an attempt to get weapons grade.

Other countries have offered to supply low-enriched uranium to the Iranians. If that was all they wanted then why not just buy it (thereby avoding sanctions)?

So they aren't reliant on a other country, and they would be independent?

Guess we're going to have to differ on this one

If it was genuinely for non-military means the Israelis and the US would not be as concerned as they are, IMO of course.

[ChiChoAndy]

Countdown said:

Guess we're going to have to differ on this one

If it was genuinely for non-military means the Israelis and the US would not be as concerned as they are, IMO of course.

I think Irans invasion history stands for itself. I'd be more concerned by Israel and its refusal to sign the NPT.

[Countdown]

ChiChoAndy said:

Countdown said:

Guess we're going to have to differ on this one

If it was genuinely for non-military means the Israelis and the US would not be as concerned as they are, IMO of course.

I think Irans invasion history stands for itself. I'd be more concerned by Israel and its refusal to sign the NPT.

Ok, so they were under a US-sponsored dictatorship for nearly 30 years, and then attacked by Saddam Hussein in a war which lasted another 8 years, and had a civilian airliner shot down. Other than that, what reason have they got to be worried?

[ChiChoAndy]

Countdown said:

ChiChoAndy said:

Countdown said:

Guess we're going to have to differ on this one

If it was genuinely for non-military means the Israelis and the US would not be as concerned as they are, IMO of course.

I think Irans invasion history stands for itself. I'd be more concerned by Israel and its refusal to sign the NPT.

Ok, so they were under a US-sponsored dictatorship for nearly 30 years, and then attacked by Saddam Hussein in a war which lasted another 8 years, and had a civilian airliner shot down. Other than that, what reason have they got to be worried?

You'd have to ask them. It could be being labeled as part of the Axis of evil, or the fact that countries get taken far more seriously with nukes, or that countries around them are getting them? Who knows. It has still to be determined if that is their aim, or whether they are enriching at that level.

[MadMullah]

Mossad getting busy

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-165015...

same style same job description!

bbc said:

A university lecturer and nuclear scientist has been killed in a car explosion in north Tehran.

Mostafa Ahmadi-Roshan, an academic who also worked at the Natanz uranium enrichment facility, and the driver of the car were killed in the attack.

The blast happened after a motorcyclist stuck an apparent bomb to the car.

Several Iranian nuclear scientists have been assassinated in recent years, with Iran blaming Israel and the US. Both countries deny the accusations.

[Jasandjules]

andy_s said:

ah-mossad-hem.

That would be my guess as well.

Don't f**k with Mossad....

[thinfourth2]

Well we can pretty rule out the yanks on this one

No crashed helicopters and only 2 people killed

[Jimbeaux]

thinfourth2 said:

Well we can pretty rule out the yanks on this one

No crashed helicopters and only 2 people killed

We can rule out MI-6 as well too.....someone killed, no apologies issued, no council houses in Britain being readied for 50 of his closest relatives.

[obob]

Jimbeaux said:

thinfourth2 said:

Well we can pretty rule out the yanks on this one

No crashed helicopters and only 2 people killed

We can rule out MI-6 as well too.....someone killed, no apologies issued, no council houses in Britain being readied for 50 of his closest relatives.

Meeeee-oowwwww

[mattnunn]

Jimbeaux said:

Iranian nuke scientists are killed in this manner over a few years: A motorcycle rides up in traffic and places a "sticky" bomb on the passenger window and rides off, the mini-bomb goes off killing only the scientist, 007 style. This is interesting. Two schools of thought:

1) It is the Israelis, CIA, MI-6, or assorted Western interests.

2) It is Saudia Arabia because there is an undercurrent battle between the Arab Saudis and the Persian Iranians for dominance in both the ME and the Islamic "world".

While the first option comes to mind right away, the second makes sense when we understand that there are others in the ME besides just Israel that do not want a nuclear Iran.

What are PH thinkers' takes on this?

http://www.taiwannews.com.tw/etn/news_content.php?...

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/another-...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43865727/ns/world_news...

Edited by Jimbeaux on Sunday 24th July 16:33

Mossad

[Jimbeaux]

mattnunn said:

Jimbeaux said:

Iranian nuke scientists are killed in this manner over a few years: A motorcycle rides up in traffic and places a "sticky" bomb on the passenger window and rides off, the mini-bomb goes off killing only the scientist, 007 style. This is interesting. Two schools of thought:

1) It is the Israelis, CIA, MI-6, or assorted Western interests.

2) It is Saudia Arabia because there is an undercurrent battle between the Arab Saudis and the Persian Iranians for dominance in both the ME and the Islamic "world".

While the first option comes to mind right away, the second makes sense when we understand that there are others in the ME besides just Israel that do not want a nuclear Iran.

What are PH thinkers' takes on this?

Mossad

Probably so. However, do not be so quick to settle on what appears to be the easy and obvious answer. Agents from Saudi or dissident Iranians working for outside interests may be involved.

[thinfourth2]

Jimbeaux said:

thinfourth2 said:

Well we can pretty rule out the yanks on this one

No crashed helicopters and only 2 people killed

We can rule out MI-6 as well too.....someone killed, no apologies issued, no council houses in Britain being readied for 50 of his closest relatives.

That is deeply hurtful and deeply untrue

There has been a huge change in this country since cameron took office and what you say simply wouldn't happen

So i demand an apology

Only 45 of his closest relatives would get a free house now

[Halb]

S 8 GRN said:

It's as good as that buddy - getting rid of the regime would be getting rid of my homeland.

He has some lovely thoughts on the holocaust too if you want to check em out?

Are you from Israel S 8 GRN?

[Jimbeaux]

thinfourth2 said:

Jimbeaux said:

thinfourth2 said:

Well we can pretty rule out the yanks on this one

No crashed helicopters and only 2 people killed

We can rule out MI-6 as well too.....someone killed, no apologies issued, no council houses in Britain being readied for 50 of his closest relatives.

That is deeply hurtful and deeply untrue

There has been a huge change in this country since cameron took office and what you say simply wouldn't happen

So i demand an apology

Only 45 of his closest relatives would get a free house now

then progress is abound!

[wolves_wanderer]

Jimbeaux said:

thinfourth2 said:

Well we can pretty rule out the yanks on this one

No crashed helicopters and only 2 people killed

We can rule out MI-6 as well too.....someone killed, no apologies issued, no council houses in Britain being readied for 50 of his closest relatives.

Good lad.

[El Guapo]

If Mossad were responsible the occupants of the car would have arrived at their destination to find the scientist dead in his seat with no visible injuries.

[Halb]

El Guapo said:

If Mossad were responsible the occupants of the car would have arrived at their destination to find the scientist dead in his seat with no visible injuries.

Or under a tree with his wrists slit?

[Norfolkit]

Jimbeaux said:

Countdown said:

Jimbeaux said:

Iranian nuke scientists are killed in this manner over a few years: A motorcycle rides up in traffic and places a "sticky" bomb on the passenger window and rides off, the mini-bomb goes off killing only the scientist, 007 style. This is interesting. Two schools of thought:

1) It is the Israelis, CIA, MI-6, or assorted Western interests.

2) It is Saudia Arabia because there is an undercurrent battle between the Arab Saudis and the Persian Iranians for dominance in both the ME and the Islamic "world".

While the first option comes to mind right away, the second makes sense when we understand that there are others in the ME besides just Israel that do not want a nuclear Iran.

I've read countless suggestions that it's the Israelis. As others have pointed out, they have a history of carrying out this type of killing. I've not read any suggestion anywhere that suggest the Saudis are behind this have ever done this kind of thing (until now).

It is an optional train of thought being floated by certain people in intelligence circles. The thought being that the rank and file will automatically think Israelis, therefore the Saudis would feel less suspected. There is a somewhat valid argument that they have such interests. Nobody in the ME wants a nuclear Iran. Wikileaks has shown that the house of Saud has asked the U.S. to preemtively strike Iran before. The Sunni Saudis and the Shia Iranians are already natural advisaries. Being predominate in the ME and/or the Islamic world may be a motive for both.
Personaly, I lean more toward the Israeli option but see the Saudi one as interesting conversation at least.

Edited by Jimbeaux on Sunday 24th July 23:06

According to Mark Urban on Newsnight it's Israel using Iranian proxies, sounded very certain

[Frankeh]

Blatantly Mossad.

The US wouldn't bother sending people in as it would cause a st storm if they were found out. Lets the Israelis deal with it and if they get caught who cares? It's just two Arab nations squabbling.

Feel sorry for the poor scientist bloke though. Car bomb assassination, what a way to go.

I generally dislike the Israelis and their treatment of the palestinians, I also think it's a joke that Israel is allowed to have nuclear weapons and Iran isn't.

Both countries are full of religious nutjobs but I'm pretty certain there's more in Israel than there is in Iran!

Let Iran get the nuke, they won't do st with it. It'll just be there as a deterrent from US influence.

Look at Pakistan. Full of terrorists, Osama bin laden was hiding there all along probably with the knowledge of the Pakistani armed forces/government.

What does the US do? fk all. A few drone strike, IIRC. But for the most part leaves Pakistan alone and even sends them a shed load of aid.

Having the bomb seems like a no brainer when it comes to protecting yourself from the US.

[Jimbeaux]

Norfolkit said:

Jimbeaux said:

Countdown said:

Jimbeaux said:

Iranian nuke scientists are killed in this manner over a few years: A motorcycle rides up in traffic and places a "sticky" bomb on the passenger window and rides off, the mini-bomb goes off killing only the scientist, 007 style. This is interesting. Two schools of thought:

1) It is the Israelis, CIA, MI-6, or assorted Western interests.

2) It is Saudia Arabia because there is an undercurrent battle between the Arab Saudis and the Persian Iranians for dominance in both the ME and the Islamic "world".

While the first option comes to mind right away, the second makes sense when we understand that there are others in the ME besides just Israel that do not want a nuclear Iran.

I've read countless suggestions that it's the Israelis. As others have pointed out, they have a history of carrying out this type of killing. I've not read any suggestion anywhere that suggest the Saudis are behind this have ever done this kind of thing (until now).

It is an optional train of thought being floated by certain people in intelligence circles. The thought being that the rank and file will automatically think Israelis, therefore the Saudis would feel less suspected. There is a somewhat valid argument that they have such interests. Nobody in the ME wants a nuclear Iran. Wikileaks has shown that the house of Saud has asked the U.S. to preemtively strike Iran before. The Sunni Saudis and the Shia Iranians are already natural advisaries. Being predominate in the ME and/or the Islamic world may be a motive for both.
Personaly, I lean more toward the Israeli option but see the Saudi one as interesting conversation at least.

Edited by Jimbeaux on Sunday 24th July 23:06

According to Mark Urban on Newsnight it's Israel using Iranian proxies, sounded very certain

Very plausible.