Thieving P****Y B'stards & Cable Theft

Thieving P****Y B'stards & Cable Theft

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GarryA

4,700 posts

165 months

Thursday 15th December 2011
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We run a lot of SWA 3 x 95mmSq, 500m of that it 4.4 ton.


hidetheelephants

24,819 posts

194 months

Thursday 15th December 2011
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GarryA said:
We run a lot of SWA 3 x 95mmSq, 500m of that it 4.4 ton.
That's a good point, how in the wide, wide world of sports did no-one spot the 3.14keys cutting up a tonne of cable and handballing it into the inevitable rusty transit? I think it's reasonable to assume they didn't take it away in one lump, doing all that would take a while and make a bit of noise.

GarryA

4,700 posts

165 months

Thursday 15th December 2011
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hidetheelephants said:
That's a good point, how in the wide, wide world of sports did no-one spot the 3.14keys cutting up a tonne of cable and handballing it into the inevitable rusty transit? I think it's reasonable to assume they didn't take it away in one lump, doing all that would take a while and make a bit of noise.
They cut it out and hide it close by, when the repairs are made they come back and strip it.

hidetheelephants

24,819 posts

194 months

Thursday 15th December 2011
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GarryA said:
They cut it out and hide it close by, when the repairs are made they come back and strip it.
Whaaaat?! The thieving barstewards are doubledipping? rage A bit of Sharia 'hands off' action needed.

philthy

4,689 posts

241 months

Friday 16th December 2011
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As much as I hate it, more regulation would help here.

Licence scrap dealers.
Record names, registrations, and photograph anyone who visits a scrap yard. Valid proof of ID, and address required.
ANPR camera on any scrap yard gate.
Paid by cheque/bank transfer.

Anything else?


hidetheelephants

24,819 posts

194 months

Friday 16th December 2011
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philthy said:
As much as I hate it, more regulation would help here.

Licence scrap dealers.
Record names, registrations, and photograph anyone who visits a scrap yard. Valid proof of ID, and address required.
ANPR camera on any scrap yard gate.
Paid by cheque/bank transfer.

Anything else?
Neutering the dickless pieces of st stealing the stuff.

Mr Pies

8,860 posts

188 months

Friday 16th December 2011
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I too work on the railway in the signalling department, it's getting beyond a joke now.

My friend works for national grid as a project manager. In the last 18-24 months they have had 2 cable thieves die. 1 tried to cut through a HV cable with bolt croppers, it blew both his arms off upto his elbows when he made contact with the conductor, he bled to death.

The second cut through a smaller cable which activated the fire protection system in the substation. It fills the room with a gas that starves the fire if oxygen, and also anyone inside the room.

I have no sympathy for them.

I was on a cable theft recently by a platform, whilst jointing the new length in the amount of commuters that asked us why it stops trains when cable is stolen was ridiculous.

You should try explaining to a member of the general public why every train has to stop at a black signal, it's like banging your head up against a brick wall. It just ends up looking like we (the signalling dept) are the bad guys!

Digga

40,421 posts

284 months

Friday 16th December 2011
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Mr Pies said:
You should try explaining to a member of the general public why every train has to stop at a black signal, it's like banging your head up against a brick wall. It just ends up looking like we (the signalling dept) are the bad guys!
I think there is an element of truth in the idea that spending one's whole time being ferried on public transport can render one blind to the dangers inherent in all forms of moving vehicles.

That and trains are entitled to their fair share of general thickos.

Smiler.

Original Poster:

11,752 posts

231 months

Friday 16th December 2011
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hidetheelephants said:
karona said:
Smiler. said:
karona said:
200 quid a metre for replacement cable, who are the real thieves here?
You speak from experience?
Nope, the news article quotes 20 grand for 100 metres of cable. Someone's taking the piss at that price.
It's for a hospital standby generator, so it's going to be at least 100kW. Assuming that, the cable will be about 100mm2 and there'll be 3 of them all wrapped up in SWA so about 40mm or so in diameter. If you can buy that for less than £100/m I'd be surprised. Someone needs to be paid to come and fit it yesterday, so there's a premium there and it's probably on PFI so everything costs extra anyway. £20k looks about right.
Exactly!

Fatboy

7,988 posts

273 months

Friday 16th December 2011
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Gaspode said:
D900SP said:
At the end of the day to fix the problem will require stricter laws for the scrap dealers to work to.

No cash transactions.
If check is isssued by scrap dealer, has to be non-endorsable to the seller, as per their DL or ID.

Bearing in mind the ideas of the banks to reduce checks being used:
Bank transfer of funds from scrap dealer to seller. So no bank account, no sale.

Copy of driver's license or ID at point of sale.

All sales electronically controled buy standard (i.e all dealers use the same system)point-of-sale system.

If it needs to get that strict to stop the problem.

This.

Seems like an ideal solution to me.
Easy to implement, easy to police, should be very effective - especially if any scrap sale over £50 reported to HMRC as well - don't think the theiving types would like that level of scrutiny...

MonkeyHanger

9,202 posts

243 months

Friday 16th December 2011
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I was unfortunate enough to work with someone killed by 11KV many years ago. I always said I wouldn't wish it on anyone.

For these thieving b'stards, I will make an exception.

As for the price to replace that hospital cable, by the time you factor in the cost of a Cable gang, Civils (trenches etc) and then the actual cost of a cable thicker than Schwarzenegger's bicep, it starts to look reasonable.