Labours glorious felching victory
Discussion
BruceV8 said:
king arthur said:
Does this mean Millipede might stay leader of the Labour party for a bit longer?
I hope so. Just seen Jacob Rees-Mogg on The Daily Politics saying that as far as the Tories are concerned, the longer Millipede is leader, the better. He then went on to say how much he admired Ed Balls but I suspect a bit of Machiavellian disingenuousness in that.
don4l said:
Derek Smith said:
Puggit said:
Let's try and educate you again - no one is claiming a UKIP landslide...
But...
Every party lost a lot of votes, except UKIP who doubled their's
Could you educate me about doubling 991 as well please. 1271 seems to me to be about a third more.But...
Every party lost a lot of votes, except UKIP who doubled their's
2010 2011
Lab 21,174 12,639
Con 16,516 6,436
LibD 6,669 1,346
UKIP 992 1,276
Of the major parties, only UKIP gained more votes than in the general election. I would think that they are very pleased with that result.
The LibDem vote has collapsed. All in all, a good result, IMHO.
Don
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I'm afraid the party led by the Boggly-eyed loon isn't going anywhere.
Fittster said:
If I was Dave I'd be keeping Jacob Rees-Mogg well away from the media. Hardly a man of the people that's going to dispel the image the Conservatives have of being a party of the 'toffs'
His, his wife's and their respective families names and titles are like something from a novel. Glorious names. Hardly "on message" for the modern party, I suppose.
don4l said:
They more than doubled their share of the vote.
.........2010...... 2011
Lab...21,174....12,639
Con...16,516.....6,436
LibD...6,669.....1,346
UKIP.....992.....1,276
Of the major parties, only UKIP gained more votes than in the general election. I would think that they are very pleased with that result.
The LibDem vote has collapsed. All in all, a good result, IMHO.
Don
Labour retained 58% of their GE vote..........2010...... 2011
Lab...21,174....12,639
Con...16,516.....6,436
LibD...6,669.....1,346
UKIP.....992.....1,276
Of the major parties, only UKIP gained more votes than in the general election. I would think that they are very pleased with that result.
The LibDem vote has collapsed. All in all, a good result, IMHO.
Don
Tories 38%.
LibDems just 20%.
The problem, from a conservative point of view, is that this makes the LivDems unpredictable. There has already been considerable infighting over the veto. Now it looks as if the coalition has just one casualty.
If the LibDems pull the plug on the coalition, which is a possibility, then the next GE is, to say the least, problematical. The LDs will take a hit of course, but then labour suffeered a similar rejection when Ben and his loony left crowd tried to take over. The result of that was the Blair government.
If I was in control of the LibDems I'd pull out of the coalition but say they will support the government on those points that benefit the country. Cameron will not want to call another GE and I don't think labour would at the moment either.
A minority government, with the LibDems holding the balance of power, might well increase their standing. They would still have to be included in decisions, perhaps more that they are at the moment. If it all goes wrong then they will say I told you so. If it does go right, they can claim it was their move which changed the tory policies, etc.
Whilst you might think a collapse in the LibDem support - which this by-election does not prove, although there is a lot of hearsay to suggest it has - is good news for the conervatives, I'm not so sure.
If what we've heard about how the veto was handled is true then there is an awful lot of resentment that might well surface in the LibDems.
The usual UKIP bashing - it's only to be expected.
No one is expecting them to suddently rise to power - it's simply not going to happen. Their are 2 things to watch however.
1. If UKIP reach similar levels of votes in national polls as the LibDems, then they must be given equal airtime as the LibDems.
2. They are raising the European question up the agenda. However hard the mainstream parties might pretend it's not an important issue, the recent shannigans in Europe prove that it is. It's not the health service or crime that's the central factor in any looming recession, it's Europe.
No one is expecting them to suddently rise to power - it's simply not going to happen. Their are 2 things to watch however.
1. If UKIP reach similar levels of votes in national polls as the LibDems, then they must be given equal airtime as the LibDems.
2. They are raising the European question up the agenda. However hard the mainstream parties might pretend it's not an important issue, the recent shannigans in Europe prove that it is. It's not the health service or crime that's the central factor in any looming recession, it's Europe.
SpeedMattersNot said:
Funny, I always found on voting days, the pram pushing scum of the estate were nowhere to be seen - only the 'normal' people seemed to care about voting?
Well, it's probably fair to assume that they'd vote Labour anyway so it's a good job they don't bother otherwise no-one would be able to shut Labour up.Derek Smith said:
If I was in control of the LibDems I'd pull out of the coalition but say they will support the government on those points that benefit the country. Cameron will not want to call another GE and I don't think labour would at the moment either.
They can't really do that and retain any credibility though, can they? They signed up for the life of this Parliament. The first fixed term ever. If they break the commitment they gave, and gave freely, who'd ever believe anything they came out with?Between a rock and a hard place, they are.
Riff Raff said:
They can't really do that and retain any credibility though, can they? They signed up for the life of this Parliament. The first fixed term ever. If they break the commitment they gave, and gave freely, who'd ever believe anything they came out with?
Between a rock and a hard place, they are.
Why would anyone believe them ever again anyway? After tuition fess and supporting Dave on the EU veto they can't have any credibility left with the typical lib dem votes.Between a rock and a hard place, they are.
Riff Raff said:
They can't really do that and retain any credibility though, can they? They signed up for the life of this Parliament. The first fixed term ever. If they break the commitment they gave, and gave freely, who'd ever believe anything they came out with?
Between a rock and a hard place, they are.
Something along the lines of no increase in student fees?Between a rock and a hard place, they are.
I think they could easily manufacture something that was a matter of principle. Politicians are so good at that.
scenario8 said:
Fittster said:
If I was Dave I'd be keeping Jacob Rees-Mogg well away from the media. Hardly a man of the people that's going to dispel the image the Conservatives have of being a party of the 'toffs'
His, his wife's and their respective families names and titles are like something from a novel. Glorious names. Hardly "on message" for the modern party, I suppose.His son Jacob seems very much a chip off the block.
Mikeyboy said:
scenario8 said:
Fittster said:
If I was Dave I'd be keeping Jacob Rees-Mogg well away from the media. Hardly a man of the people that's going to dispel the image the Conservatives have of being a party of the 'toffs'
His, his wife's and their respective families names and titles are like something from a novel. Glorious names. Hardly "on message" for the modern party, I suppose.His son Jacob seems very much a chip off the block.
AJS- said:
UKIP are definitely on the way up. Love to see them turning over the Lib Dems in the next election, in votes if not seats.
Yes, doubling their share of the vote in less than a term is impressive.The Euro crisis is meaning that many who would have been blissfully ignorant of the EU are now sick of that cancer of europe.
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