Learner driver gets two years, does this seem harsh to you?
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Somewhat harsh for the learner as the instructor who was incharge of her basically made a mistake.
As to introducing more rules and regualtions no thanks we have enough rules and regulations. I can't see why the thousands of parents who use common sense before teaching their kids to drive should be punished.
At very most i would suggest a leaflet sent out with all provisional licenses highlighting cases like this
As to introducing more rules and regualtions no thanks we have enough rules and regulations. I can't see why the thousands of parents who use common sense before teaching their kids to drive should be punished.
At very most i would suggest a leaflet sent out with all provisional licenses highlighting cases like this
It does seem very curious that we know nothing about the husband/instructor and any penalties which might have been imposed on him.
My limited understanding of driving instruction is that if the "learner" commits an offence then the "instructor" can (not will) be prosecuted for the same thing.
Most particularly in the case reported it seems bonkers that the first exploration of the car's controls was not conducted somewhere a lot more suitable.
My limited understanding of driving instruction is that if the "learner" commits an offence then the "instructor" can (not will) be prosecuted for the same thing.
Most particularly in the case reported it seems bonkers that the first exploration of the car's controls was not conducted somewhere a lot more suitable.
Ozzie Osmond said:
It does seem very curious that we know nothing about the husband/instructor and any penalties which might have been imposed on him.
My limited understanding of driving instruction is that if the "learner" commits an offence then the "instructor" can (not will) be prosecuted for the same thing.
Most particularly in the case reported it seems bonkers that the first exploration of the car's controls was not conducted somewhere a lot more suitable.
I see this as entirely the fault of the instructor.My limited understanding of driving instruction is that if the "learner" commits an offence then the "instructor" can (not will) be prosecuted for the same thing.
Most particularly in the case reported it seems bonkers that the first exploration of the car's controls was not conducted somewhere a lot more suitable.
As much as the instructor was her husband he was still the licenced driver in the car and she was under instruction.
I forgot that you can still get lessons by a non qualified instructor with dual controls.
seems weird doesn't it that you can apply for a provisional and then just get in a car with your husband sat next to you and go driving
i think your first 5/10 lessons should be by a BSM instructor with dual controls or the like
seems weird doesn't it that you can apply for a provisional and then just get in a car with your husband sat next to you and go driving
i think your first 5/10 lessons should be by a BSM instructor with dual controls or the like
Ozzie Osmond said:
elster said:
I see this as entirely the fault of the instructor.
It is impossible for all of the fault to lie with someone who isn't even in the driving seat so clearly your approach can't fly.We need to know what charges, if any, were pursued against the husband/instructor.
jonah35 said:
i think your first 5/10 lessons should be by a BSM instructor with dual controls or the like
Why?i live next to a farm
There is 14 year olds driving around 300Bhp tractors with more buttons and levers then the tardis
Once they are 16 they can drive around 24 tons of tractor and trailer on public roads
so once they reach 17 they have to sit next to a instructor in a dual control corsa before they should be allowed on the roads
Not everywhere is a city
This is about personal responsibility, something that PH generally calls for. She could have refused to take the lesson in that car or could have insisted on being somewhere less risk prone. She sat in the driver's seat, took the controls and must accept responsibility for what occurred. If the judicial system cannot impose such punishments, to act as a lesson and deterrent, then legislation has to take over............
thinfourth2 said:
Why?
i live next to a farm
There is 14 year olds driving around 300Bhp tractors with more buttons and levers then the tardis
Once they are 16 they can drive around 24 tons of tractor and trailer on public roads
so once they reach 17 they have to sit next to a instructor in a dual control corsa before they should be allowed on the roads
Not everywhere is a city
In this case, they should take the bus. And if they want to get back home on the same day? Tough, sleep in the bus shelter until the bus comes back round!i live next to a farm
There is 14 year olds driving around 300Bhp tractors with more buttons and levers then the tardis
Once they are 16 they can drive around 24 tons of tractor and trailer on public roads
so once they reach 17 they have to sit next to a instructor in a dual control corsa before they should be allowed on the roads
Not everywhere is a city
Signed,
Fellow country bumpkin.
bicycleshorts said:
thinfourth2 said:
Why?
i live next to a farm
There is 14 year olds driving around 300Bhp tractors with more buttons and levers then the tardis
Once they are 16 they can drive around 24 tons of tractor and trailer on public roads
so once they reach 17 they have to sit next to a instructor in a dual control corsa before they should be allowed on the roads
Not everywhere is a city
In this case, they should take the bus. And if they want to get back home on the same day? Tough, sleep in the bus shelter until the bus comes back round!i live next to a farm
There is 14 year olds driving around 300Bhp tractors with more buttons and levers then the tardis
Once they are 16 they can drive around 24 tons of tractor and trailer on public roads
so once they reach 17 they have to sit next to a instructor in a dual control corsa before they should be allowed on the roads
Not everywhere is a city
Signed,
Fellow country bumpkin.
Bus ha ha ha.
I still can't work out how he was not able to stop it?
Put handbrake on and pull steering wheel to hit anything but a kid?
ANd I still think the first couple of lessons should be done in a dual control car... going round a car park does not prepare you for a car hurtling past you at 60mph in the opposite direction and panic can set in when that happens.
Put handbrake on and pull steering wheel to hit anything but a kid?
ANd I still think the first couple of lessons should be done in a dual control car... going round a car park does not prepare you for a car hurtling past you at 60mph in the opposite direction and panic can set in when that happens.
I love how the libertaerians on here scream for more laws for each and every problem that they encounter.
If she had run over a 18 year old chav you would't give a fook
Road traffic accidents kill 8 people a day in the UK but i don't hear anyone screaming for lower speed limits etc.
I don't see how punishing the thousands of folk that take to the road for the first time every year will solve the problem of someone not using common sense.
Stick a 16year old in field car and they will have got brakes and gears worked out in an hour
If she had run over a 18 year old chav you would't give a fook
Road traffic accidents kill 8 people a day in the UK but i don't hear anyone screaming for lower speed limits etc.
I don't see how punishing the thousands of folk that take to the road for the first time every year will solve the problem of someone not using common sense.
Stick a 16year old in field car and they will have got brakes and gears worked out in an hour
Mobile Chicane said:
I take it all of you lot are Natural Born Drivers and have never experienced the blind panic when the learner's 'blue funk' comes down?
She panicked and lost it.
No chance for her instructor to gather it up in a single-control vehicle, and very sad that someone was killed as a result.
She didn't just panic and lose it though did she? According to the article she set off on her first ever lesson in a car without even knowing where the brake pedal was or what it was for. As a result, a child died. That level of crass stupidy needs to be punished.She panicked and lost it.
No chance for her instructor to gather it up in a single-control vehicle, and very sad that someone was killed as a result.
SpeedMattersNot said:
As said, it leads to an appreciation that at least the first few lessons need to be taken with a professional teacher/driving instructor.
The car is very much a weapon the law seems to not understand. For another example...why are people allowed to change their own wheel on a car, but arn't allowed to re-wire a plug in their own house? It's hillarious! We're not allowed to play with hot water from a gas boiler and rely on "professionals" to ensure our insurance is covered, but anyone can jack a car up and replace a brake caliper with pads and discs and track rod ends haha! Love it! As long as they're seriously harming other people and not just themselves, that is fine. Play ball
Just to keep me in the loop... what legslation means I am not allowed to change a plug in my house? Just about to do so, and don't want to end up in prison.The car is very much a weapon the law seems to not understand. For another example...why are people allowed to change their own wheel on a car, but arn't allowed to re-wire a plug in their own house? It's hillarious! We're not allowed to play with hot water from a gas boiler and rely on "professionals" to ensure our insurance is covered, but anyone can jack a car up and replace a brake caliper with pads and discs and track rod ends haha! Love it! As long as they're seriously harming other people and not just themselves, that is fine. Play ball
TIA
Ganglandboss said:
SpeedMattersNot said:
For another example...why are people allowed to change their own wheel on a car, but arn't allowed to re-wire a plug in their own house? It's hillarious!
Who told you that?thinfourth2 said:
I love how the libertaerians on here scream for more laws for each and every problem that they encounter.
You could check out the DSA stats for injuries during tests; far more in non dual fitted vehicles. This is not a new issue (outside of PH)thinfourth2 said:
If she had run over a 18 year old chav you would't give a fook
You may have a point therethinfourth2 said:
Road traffic accidents kill 8 people a day in the UK but i don't hear anyone screaming for lower speed limits etc.
Going on 2010 stats it's 5 a day, but judging by early info on 2011 it looks like it's on the up again so don't worry, there'll be plenty out there screaming for lower speed limits soonthinfourth2 said:
I don't see how punishing the thousands of folk that take to the road for the first time every year will solve the problem of someone not using common sense.
By punishing, I take it you mean having to pay for driving lessons. If they can't afford them they sure as fook can't afford the first year's insurance premium.thinfourth2 said:
Stick a 16year old in field car and they will have got brakes and gears worked out in an hour
If there are enough understanding farmers around then I'm all for it.I've taught 2 people to drive now, both to a far higher standard than average.
what can possibly be gained by preventing me teaching more? those calling for mandatory hours with a "qualified" instructor need to get a grip.
the numpty whining about changing their own brakes needs to go forth too - my work is a higher standard than most garages as thered no profit motivated time pressure.
more law isn't the answer: lawyers are scum. an iq test before provisional license would be far better. the bottom 25% ARE too stupid to drive.
what can possibly be gained by preventing me teaching more? those calling for mandatory hours with a "qualified" instructor need to get a grip.
the numpty whining about changing their own brakes needs to go forth too - my work is a higher standard than most garages as thered no profit motivated time pressure.
more law isn't the answer: lawyers are scum. an iq test before provisional license would be far better. the bottom 25% ARE too stupid to drive.
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