What's wrong with Britain 2012
Discussion
thinfourth2 said:
Lost_BMW said:
I'm not crying, I'm laughing. At you and the s
te you spout here all too often.
Oh, I don't read the Mail or any paper, so. in the argot, yet another thinfourth fail.
So why is "my sort" the death of this countryte you spout here all too often.Oh, I don't read the Mail or any paper, so. in the argot, yet another thinfourth fail.
Because i don't share your small minded view point
highway said:
Do people generally think that, all things considered, life and society in the UK now are better than say 20 years ago?
Absolutely no way. Unless you include iPads, Sky HD and Plasma tellys.There is something sick in the UK, a cancer caused by 13 years of rights over reponsibilities and an overly liberal approach to crime and punishment.
CommanderJameson said:
Interesting PDF on the topic of the impact of incarceration on crime rates here.
Thanks for the link, it certainly is interesting.On the matter of its headline conclusion "increasing incarceration while ignoring more effective approaches will impose a heavy burden upon courts, corrections and communities, while providing a marginal impact on crime" surely this depends on the type of criminals which get locked up. If as at present the Courts lock up pensioners who don't pay their Council Tax, bikers and performance car drivers who fail to recognise a random number on a pole, and eejits who go to a London musical while getting off jury service by claiming to be ill, then it's very unlikely that the incarceration will have more than a marginal impact on crime, in fact it will have virtually none. What happens in the USA is for the USA to consider.
On the other hand, when a network of criminals was arrested, put on trial, convicted and locked up after an extensive investigation, the local police force reported that the crime rate had dropped dramatically to a figure last seen about 20 years ago. Is it likely that the police were making it up?
If career criminals, serious repeat offenders, are locked up rather than pensioners and speeders it beggars belief that there would only be a marginal impact on crime rates.
turbobloke said:
On the other hand, when a network of criminals was arrested, put on trial, convicted and locked up after an extensive investigation, the local police force reported that the crime rate had dropped dramatically to a figure last seen about 20 years ago. Is it likely that the police were making it up?
If career criminals, serious repeat offenders, are locked up rather than pensioners and speeders it beggars belief that there would only be a marginal impact on crime rates.
Agree. Some of those stats are just the worst sort of horsesIf career criminals, serious repeat offenders, are locked up rather than pensioners and speeders it beggars belief that there would only be a marginal impact on crime rates.
t, of the kind that sees us sending promising young footballers on taxpayer-funded holidays.Talk to any of the frontline BiB and they'll set things straight. Put a bad 'un away and all his/her illegal and antisocial activities are immediately curtailled. Simple.
CommanderJameson said:
Interesting PDF on the topic of the impact of incarceration on crime rates here.
Seems to work OK in Singapore. But then you don't get a second chance here. Punch someone after a drunken night - 6 months to a year in jail. Focuses the mind when you're on a night out...Bing o said:
Seems to work OK in Singapore. But then you don't get a second chance here. Punch someone after a drunken night - 6 months to a year in jail. Focuses the mind when you're on a night out...
If only it was that simple as it's not really the culture to get pissed and have a fight in singapore. So you can't say it is entirely due to strict laws that means Singapore isn't full of drunken chavs.But we are way too soft on repeat offenders
thinfourth2 said:
If only it was that simple as it's not really the culture to get pissed and have a fight in singapore...
But we are way too soft on repeat offenders
It's not the culture here, but it is unfortunately an accepted hazard for anyone venturing into our towns and cities for a drink.But we are way too soft on repeat offenders
Talk to the BIB and they'll tell you a large number of Fri/Sat night assaults are committed by the same faces. Very often, victims (probably quite rightly) decide it will be less hassle to let the matter go - avoid the otwn in future - than to become crown witness. So the same faces are getting away with this sort of antisocial and criminal behaviour for a good while before they a.) slip up, b.) pick on the wrong bloke (poetry in motion) or c.) finally escalate to a more serious assault where 'somtheing has to be done' by the police.
Bing o said:
Seems to work OK in Singapore. But then you don't get a second chance here. Punch someone after a drunken night - 6 months to a year in jail. Focuses the mind when you're on a night out...
If the UK really was as strict as Singapore then everyone on here would be complaining about living in a police state. Although as Singapore has internment without trial and press censorship, criticism of the regime rarely happens.Bing o said:
CommanderJameson said:
Interesting PDF on the topic of the impact of incarceration on crime rates here.
Seems to work OK in Singapore. But then you don't get a second chance here. Punch someone after a drunken night - 6 months to a year in jail. Focuses the mind when you're on a night out...You're comparing apples and hatstands.
In China, you get shot for tax evasion. The fact that they still shoot people for tax evasion casts doubt on the efficacy of the death penalty as a deterrent to tax evasion.
highway said:
Do people generally think that, all things considered, life and society in the UK now are better than say 20 years ago?
Absolutely, the only reason people disagree is Nostalgia.Crime is a lot lower, standards of living are higher, more people in work.
The only downside is benefits are too high, debt is too high and state is too bloated.
elster said:
highway said:
Do people generally think that, all things considered, life and society in the UK now are better than say 20 years ago?
Absolutely, the only reason people disagree is Nostalgia.Crime is a lot lower, standards of living are higher, more people in work.
The only downside is benefits are too high, debt is too high and state is too bloated.
elster said:
highway said:
Do people generally think that, all things considered, life and society in the UK now are better than say 20 years ago?
Absolutely, the only reason people disagree is Nostalgia.Crime is a lot lower, standards of living are higher, more people in work.
The only downside is benefits are too high, debt is too high and state is too bloated.
CommanderJameson said:
elster said:
highway said:
Do people generally think that, all things considered, life and society in the UK now are better than say 20 years ago?
Absolutely, the only reason people disagree is Nostalgia.Crime is a lot lower, standards of living are higher, more people in work.
The only downside is benefits are too high, debt is too high and state is too bloated.
Also, the general level of vulgar chavdom is now much more widespread and highly visible, which makes communities poorer for it and quality of life significantly lower for many. This may not be a treated as a criminal offence, sadly.
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