Norwegian jobsworths take away Indian children
Discussion
DonkeyApple said:
However, we have also seen that when this is not balanced with a recognition that they are now in a different country and culture an must adapt and understand these differences you end up with situations where for example British children cannot speak English or function properly in British society. When this happens the parents have effectively segregated their child from main society and restricted their future considerably. To me this is child abuse.
that's what I was meaning by living for the country your on, but phrased much better than I managed.
Hooli said:
DonkeyApple said:
However, we have also seen that when this is not balanced with a recognition that they are now in a different country and culture an must adapt and understand these differences you end up with situations where for example British children cannot speak English or function properly in British society. When this happens the parents have effectively segregated their child from main society and restricted their future considerably. To me this is child abuse.
that's what I was meaning by living for the country your on, but phrased much better than I managed.just me said:
Hooli said:
DonkeyApple said:
However, we have also seen that when this is not balanced with a recognition that they are now in a different country and culture an must adapt and understand these differences you end up with situations where for example British children cannot speak English or function properly in British society. When this happens the parents have effectively segregated their child from main society and restricted their future considerably. To me this is child abuse.
that's what I was meaning by living for the country your on, but phrased much better than I managed.'We are different countries, we have different histories, different stages of development.
We should show each other respect"
just me said:
t may be ignorant, close-minded, asinine behaviour, but it is certainly not abuse.
I think that deliberately not preparing your child for the world outside the comfort and safety of your home is precisely a form of abuse. As a parent it is our core role to prepare our children for what they will face in the world and to get by without us. It is why we teach them so many things, most of which are based around communication and interaction.
They weren't being deliberate about anything, so far as I know. And you are judging by a very narrow Western standard, and even there, only with regards to a couple of very specific areas of daily life. These parents actually are preparing their children for the world. Eating with the hands at home, and when at school, eating as others do outside, so they are learning about both Indian and Western cultures. They are traveling with them, exposing them to the world. They are also giving them a nurturing, loving environment with both parents present. Many western parents do not provide such a stable family life. These parents are doing a better job than those. They also have professional skills that make them attractive employees not only in the Indian economy, but apparently to Norwegian/European employers as well. So they are setting a fine example. You can't possibly be faulting them for allowing a 3 year old to sleep in their bed--what normal person would have a problem with that? 3 years old, ffs!
In this case, the Indian parents' only mistake was to be unaware of how judgmental and narrow-minded the Norwegian authorities were. There is probably a communication problem as well, though I fault the Norwegians for that more. They could have certainly tried to understand where the Indians were coming from, rather than focusing on creating pretexts to remove the children.
Where is this abuse that you are referring to? If you think eating with hands is abusive, then all Indians and Pakistanis and Bangladeshis and Arabs abuse their children. If you think it's because the Indians did it whilst sat in the middle of Norway, I don't feel it's abuse. Naive, ignorant, yes. Abusive? Not by a country mile. They just needed to be told once, and I am sure they would never have done it again.
I wish the Indian government would simply place all Norwegian diplomats' children in "protective custody" in India, while the Norwegian style of parenting was evaluated from an Indian perspective. This situation would get resolved very quickly then.
In this case, the Indian parents' only mistake was to be unaware of how judgmental and narrow-minded the Norwegian authorities were. There is probably a communication problem as well, though I fault the Norwegians for that more. They could have certainly tried to understand where the Indians were coming from, rather than focusing on creating pretexts to remove the children.
Where is this abuse that you are referring to? If you think eating with hands is abusive, then all Indians and Pakistanis and Bangladeshis and Arabs abuse their children. If you think it's because the Indians did it whilst sat in the middle of Norway, I don't feel it's abuse. Naive, ignorant, yes. Abusive? Not by a country mile. They just needed to be told once, and I am sure they would never have done it again.
I wish the Indian government would simply place all Norwegian diplomats' children in "protective custody" in India, while the Norwegian style of parenting was evaluated from an Indian perspective. This situation would get resolved very quickly then.
Edited by just me on Monday 23 January 08:42
just me said:
They weren't being deliberate about anything, so far as I know. And you are judging by a very narrow Western standard, and even there, only with regards to a couple of very specific areas of daily life. These parents actually are preparing their children for the world. Eating with the hands at home, and when at school, eating as others do outside, so they are learning about both Indian and Western cultures. They are traveling with them, exposing them to the world. They are also giving them a nurturing, loving environment with both parents present. Many western parents do not provide such a stable family life. These parents are doing a better job than those. They also have professional skills that make them attractive employees not only in the Indian economy, but apparently to Norwegian/European employers as well. So they are setting a fine example. You can't possibly be faulting them for allowing a 3 year old to sleep in their bed--what normal person would have a problem with that? 3 years old, ffs!
In this case, the Indian parents' only mistake was to be unaware of how judgmental and narrow-minded the Norwegian authorities were. There is probably a communication problem as well, though I fault the Norwegians for that more. They could have certainly tried to understand where the Indians were coming from, rather than focusing on creating pretexts to remove the children.
Where is this abuse that you are referring to? If you think eating with hands is abusive, then all Indians and Pakistanis and Bangladeshis and Arabs abuse their children. If you think it's because the Indians did it whilst sat in the middle of Norway, I don't feel it's abuse. Naive, ignorant, yes. Abusive? Not by a country mile. They just needed to be told once, and I am sure they would never have done it again.
I wish the Indian government would simply place all Norwegian diplomats' children in "protective custody" in India, while the Norwegian style of parenting was evaluated from an Indian perspective. This situation would get resolved very quickly then.
Not relevant. I stated quite clearly at the outset that if there isn't more to the actual story then it isn't right. Since then my comments have been based on the general concept of not preparing your child for the world outside. In this case, the Indian parents' only mistake was to be unaware of how judgmental and narrow-minded the Norwegian authorities were. There is probably a communication problem as well, though I fault the Norwegians for that more. They could have certainly tried to understand where the Indians were coming from, rather than focusing on creating pretexts to remove the children.
Where is this abuse that you are referring to? If you think eating with hands is abusive, then all Indians and Pakistanis and Bangladeshis and Arabs abuse their children. If you think it's because the Indians did it whilst sat in the middle of Norway, I don't feel it's abuse. Naive, ignorant, yes. Abusive? Not by a country mile. They just needed to be told once, and I am sure they would never have done it again.
I wish the Indian government would simply place all Norwegian diplomats' children in "protective custody" in India, while the Norwegian style of parenting was evaluated from an Indian perspective. This situation would get resolved very quickly then.
Edited by just me on Monday 23 January 08:42
just me said:
Well, what is your concept of preparing your child for the world outside? I don't think there is a consensus on what that means, except in very broad terms. I don't think children reared in different cultures, and with less "worldly" skills, are abused children.
Please read the posts, it does make things pretty clear.For starters, basing an arguement on something scribbled in a publication whose purpose is to sell hatred and misguidance to its ever demanding customer base is foolish. Hence the repeated comments by most posters that this story is not likely to be true/accurate and as such is not directly worthy of specific debate.
So, I have never passed judgement on the two core elements of this 'tale' ie, the sleeping of small children in their parents bed nor the eating of food with their hands either at a very young age or behind closed doors. I have in fact been relatively careful not to pass any judgement on this story, in fact, quite the opposite.
Something which you have not been able to do nor have you read what I have posted but prefered to leap to wild conclusions driven more probably by your own issues or whatever.
Secondly, I have never said that children raised in different cultures amount to abused children!!!!!! That is a very silly thing and highlights that you are not reading what is writeen or applying intelligence to what you are reading.
The fact that you so appear to take the DM writings ver batum alludes to the latter.
Wishing that a country would seize the children of another country's diplomatic children is simply a bizarre statement.
If you wish to spend your day being offended by things that other people simply have not said or even implied then that is your right but do not bring me into this.
DonkeyApple said:
......So, I have never passed judgement on the two core elements of this 'tale' ie, the sleeping of small children in their parents bed nor the eating of food with their hands either at a very young age or behind closed doors.........
Being raised in the manner of an illiterate peasant, you mean?Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff