The Daily Mail Wants to Ban Porn
Discussion
Marf said:
Blame?
There is no blame to apportion, only responsibility. It is the responsibility of parents to ensure that their children are not exposed to material unsuitable for their age.
ISPs should merely take this as an opportunity to develop a product enabling parents to do so and crow about how great they are for offering it.
There should be no opt outs on content blocking, only opt ins.
There is no blame to apportion, only responsibility. It is the responsibility of parents to ensure that their children are not exposed to material unsuitable for their age.
ISPs should merely take this as an opportunity to develop a product enabling parents to do so and crow about how great they are for offering it.
There should be no opt outs on content blocking, only opt ins.
nail:headParents should be the ones taking responsibility.
It is not just ISPs, why not Netgear/Cisco/Draytek et al who could supply a pre-configured router/modem?
MR Kirbyz said:
I grew up with the internet (18 currently) and it hasn't changed me!. apart from a powerfully built right arm and poor eyesight
This ban would basically but opticians out of business.
Personally I've never understood why porn movies are more than 5 minutes long and why they both to have a story line This ban would basically but opticians out of business.
Hooli said:
GlenMH said:
It is not just ISPs, why not Netgear/Cisco/Draytek et al who could supply a pre-configured router/modem?
How could they preconfigure unless there was some form of worldwide porn site list to the router could refer too?Sky have a deal with McAfee to do this sort of thing
http://www.sky.com/helpcentre/broadband/security/h...
Can Porn not start an on-line movement to have the Daily Mail banned, unless people op in?
http://www.sky.com/helpcentre/broadband/security/h...
Can Porn not start an on-line movement to have the Daily Mail banned, unless people op in?
The Black Flash said:
98elise said:
Personally I just use k9 on the PC's, but its not something I can install on our ipad, or our phone. A filter from our ISP's would sort that. All it needs is a simple password if you need a w
k that much.
Yeah, a simple password on your ipad or phone to stop your kids using it unsupervised. Oh what's that, it's only ok if other people are inconvenienced?k that much.The ISPs will not agree to this as they have not agreed to any other sort of content filtering, as it sets a precedent which would make them liable for what people look at / do online. Looking at child porn? Downloading films illegally? The ISP shouldn't have allowed it. It will become a defence to say "not my fault, I thought if I could see it it was legal".
Won't happen. They've a long history of fighting off moves such as this, one is suggested every couple of years or so.
More to the point, the internet is rapidly becoming the main means of communication and media content delivery service. At a quick count I have around 20 devices in the house that connect to the internet. Only the PC's have protection on them, becasue I have no clue if the others can be protected. Am I really going to have to stand behind my kids everytime they use a games machine or what the TV?
Do you think its wrong that you have to reach up to the top shelf for your jazz mags, or use your pin to watch porn on sky. Would you be happier if they just showed porn on TV during the day, and just made it the parents responsibility to watch their children?
If an ISP would provide a filter their end that I could either switch on or off with a password, then I wouldn't need to try and keep up with how to set up protection on every device. I know it wouldn't be perfect, but by the time my kids are clever enough to find ways around it, they are probably old enough to know about it.
All it needs is a simple opt in/opt out.
PS i've just found out my mobile provider already does this. I checked to see if I can view a porn site, and it was blocked unless I call them to take the block off.
98elise said:
PS i've just found out my mobile provider already does this. I checked to see if I can view a porn site, and it was blocked unless I call them to take the block off.
Which is great news, as by "opting in" for a content filtering service, it means there is little argument, for additional legislation 
AndrewW-G said:
Which is great news, as by "opting in" for a content filtering service, it means there is little argument, for additional legislation
The service provider could do this at account setup time.A simple little question like "Will children be using this service ?"
with a "yes" answer getting the content filtering and
a "no" getting the full fat version.
98elise said:
Do you think its wrong that you have to reach up to the top shelf for your jazz mags, or use your pin to watch porn on sky. Would you be happier if they just showed porn on TV during the day, and just made it the parents responsibility to watch their children?
It would be wrong if the shop required people to have their names put on a list before being allowed to reach up to the top shelf or if you couldn't enable parent controls for your TV.That doesn't mean everyone should have their internet censored unless they're put on a list - which will be made public sooner or later.
dcb said:
AndrewW-G said:
Which is great news, as by "opting in" for a content filtering service, it means there is little argument, for additional legislation
The service provider could do this at account setup time.A simple little question like "Will children be using this service ?"
with a "yes" answer getting the content filtering and
a "no" getting the full fat version.
98elise said:
The Black Flash said:
98elise said:
Personally I just use k9 on the PC's, but its not something I can install on our ipad, or our phone. A filter from our ISP's would sort that. All it needs is a simple password if you need a wk that much.
Yeah, a simple password on your ipad or phone to stop your kids using it unsupervised. Oh what's that, it's only ok if other people are inconvenienced?k that much.The ISPs will not agree to this as they have not agreed to any other sort of content filtering, as it sets a precedent which would make them liable for what people look at / do online. Looking at child porn? Downloading films illegally? The ISP shouldn't have allowed it. It will become a defence to say "not my fault, I thought if I could see it it was legal".
Won't happen. They've a long history of fighting off moves such as this, one is suggested every couple of years or so.
You put netnanny or whatever on the PC, and tell your kids that they may use that for their homework, but not any other devices unless they ask you first.
98elise said:
More to the point, the internet is rapidly becoming the main means of communication and media content delivery service. At a quick count I have around 20 devices in the house that connect to the internet. Only the PC's have protection on them, becasue I have no clue if the others can be protected. Am I really going to have to stand behind my kids everytime they use a games machine or what the TV?
Wah wah wah, I've bought all this stuff and I don't know how it works, someone save me from myself.Here's an idea. If you buy one of these shiny toys, find out what it can/can't do, and allow your kids access accordingly.
98elise said:
Do you think its wrong that you have to reach up to the top shelf for your jazz mags, or use your pin to watch porn on sky. Would you be happier if they just showed porn on TV during the day, and just made it the parents responsibility to watch their children?
If an ISP would provide a filter their end that I could either switch on or off with a password, then I wouldn't need to try and keep up with how to set up protection on every device. I know it wouldn't be perfect, but by the time my kids are clever enough to find ways around it, they are probably old enough to know about it.
They wont, as I and others have already explained. A), because it's not technically going to work (define "porn" for starters, that should show some of the issues), and b), because it will make the ISPs liable for content.If an ISP would provide a filter their end that I could either switch on or off with a password, then I wouldn't need to try and keep up with how to set up protection on every device. I know it wouldn't be perfect, but by the time my kids are clever enough to find ways around it, they are probably old enough to know about it.
98elise said:
All it needs is a simple opt in/opt out.
It's only simple if you don't think about it too deeply, I'm afraid.I am with black flash on this - parents need to spend time and effort making sure they are happy with their kids safety. You wouldn't send them to a nursery or school without checking it first.
There are some fairly easy steps to take: don't make your kids admin users, give the admin account a strong password, set up times when they can and can't do their homework using software on the machine or tools built in to the router, possibly have a kids machine that is dedicated to their use that you regularly re-image so no nasties stay installed etc.
The situation is that the ISPs won't do it to everyone without being forced to by law and I can't see the gov't being arsed to legislate when they have bigger things to think about at the moment.
There are some fairly easy steps to take: don't make your kids admin users, give the admin account a strong password, set up times when they can and can't do their homework using software on the machine or tools built in to the router, possibly have a kids machine that is dedicated to their use that you regularly re-image so no nasties stay installed etc.
The situation is that the ISPs won't do it to everyone without being forced to by law and I can't see the gov't being arsed to legislate when they have bigger things to think about at the moment.
hornet said:
98elise said:
My kids need access to the web for homework. I'm not there when they do their homework.
So just set them up with their own profile and lock down what sites they can access?
theaxe said:
Hooli said:
GlenMH said:
It is not just ISPs, why not Netgear/Cisco/Draytek et al who could supply a pre-configured router/modem?
How could they preconfigure unless there was some form of worldwide porn site list to the router could refer too?Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff