Rodney King dead
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Jimbeaux said:
Randy Winkman said:
Tiggsy said:
Jimbeaux said:
rohrl said:
Negative Creep - Your comments are just moronic. There wouldn't have been riots if it had been a white person arrested for DUI because a white person being arrested for DUI wouldn't have been viciously beaten by several members of the LAPD.
Jimbeaux - No surprise to see you here effectively denying that racism exists and blaming all the problems black people face in the USA on black people themselves. See New Orleans floods, Trayvon Martin, any number of other incidents.
I do not deny racism exists. I am pointing out that it is becoming more prevelant the other way, which is still racism like it or not.Jimbeaux - No surprise to see you here effectively denying that racism exists and blaming all the problems black people face in the USA on black people themselves. See New Orleans floods, Trayvon Martin, any number of other incidents.
Jimbeaux said:
Tiggsy said:
Jimbeaux said:
rohrl said:
Negative Creep - Your comments are just moronic. There wouldn't have been riots if it had been a white person arrested for DUI because a white person being arrested for DUI wouldn't have been viciously beaten by several members of the LAPD.
Jimbeaux - No surprise to see you here effectively denying that racism exists and blaming all the problems black people face in the USA on black people themselves. See New Orleans floods, Trayvon Martin, any number of other incidents.
I do not deny racism exists. I am pointing out that it is becoming more prevelant the other way, which is still racism like it or not.Jimbeaux - No surprise to see you here effectively denying that racism exists and blaming all the problems black people face in the USA on black people themselves. See New Orleans floods, Trayvon Martin, any number of other incidents.
What next?...."them gays get more rights than us"
In fact, the only people who argue otherwise tend to be those who say "Why can't I say
...not fair, Jay Z can...why can't I - It's racism in reverse I tell you"So yes - In the UK there is racism both ways - black people have to overcome daily hurdles that, for many of them, will have a massive impact on their life/opportunities and white people can't do Chris Rock routines in the street.
To quote Louis Ck - "I'm not saying white people are better, I'm saying being white is clearly better - who could even argue with that?"
Edited by Tiggsy on Tuesday 19th June 07:08
For those that don't remember what happened this might help:
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/06/18...
'King was a national figure thanks to his beating at the hands of the Los Angeles Police Department in 1991. He was caught driving 115 in a residential zone. He attempted to evade the cops because he was on parole, then resisted arrest (two of his companions in the car were not beaten because they didn’t resist arrest). When he was hit with a malfunctioning taser and continued to resist arrest, he was beaten excessively; the cops thought he was on PCP, since a normal person goes down after being hit with a taser. That event resulted in the Los Angeles riots when the officers who beat him were acquitted in Simi Valley.
King was certainly a troubled character. Or, more precisely, he was a bad guy. His arrest record was extraordinarily long:
In July 1987, King beat up his wife while she was sleeping, then pulled her out of the house and proceeded to go another round with her. He pled “no contest” to battery.
In November 1989, he robbed a store with a tire iron, swung a pie rack at a clerk, and was booked for assault with a deadly weapon, second-degree robbery, and intent to commit great bodily injury.
In March 1991, King had his famous incident with the LAPD.
In May 1991, King was pulled over for an excessively tinted windshield. He wasn’t charged.
In May 1991, King picked up a transvestite prostitute. He wasn’t charged.
In June 1992, King beat up his wife, but she didn’t press charges.
In July 1992, King drove intoxicated. No charges.
In July 1992, he drove drunk again. He was convicted of DIU.
The rap sheet goes on and on. He was not a good guy.'
And before anybody starts saying that this is what you'd expect from a right wing website like Breitbart then please note that even they say he was beaten excessively but the facts were not as straightforward as some on here seem to believe.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/06/18...
'King was a national figure thanks to his beating at the hands of the Los Angeles Police Department in 1991. He was caught driving 115 in a residential zone. He attempted to evade the cops because he was on parole, then resisted arrest (two of his companions in the car were not beaten because they didn’t resist arrest). When he was hit with a malfunctioning taser and continued to resist arrest, he was beaten excessively; the cops thought he was on PCP, since a normal person goes down after being hit with a taser. That event resulted in the Los Angeles riots when the officers who beat him were acquitted in Simi Valley.
King was certainly a troubled character. Or, more precisely, he was a bad guy. His arrest record was extraordinarily long:
In July 1987, King beat up his wife while she was sleeping, then pulled her out of the house and proceeded to go another round with her. He pled “no contest” to battery.
In November 1989, he robbed a store with a tire iron, swung a pie rack at a clerk, and was booked for assault with a deadly weapon, second-degree robbery, and intent to commit great bodily injury.
In March 1991, King had his famous incident with the LAPD.
In May 1991, King was pulled over for an excessively tinted windshield. He wasn’t charged.
In May 1991, King picked up a transvestite prostitute. He wasn’t charged.
In June 1992, King beat up his wife, but she didn’t press charges.
In July 1992, King drove intoxicated. No charges.
In July 1992, he drove drunk again. He was convicted of DIU.
The rap sheet goes on and on. He was not a good guy.'
And before anybody starts saying that this is what you'd expect from a right wing website like Breitbart then please note that even they say he was beaten excessively but the facts were not as straightforward as some on here seem to believe.
Hugo a Gogo said:
ever think his alcoholism after the event might have had something to do with the infamy, with the brain damage, with the pain?
I think you might be over reaching a bit there ! King was a bad bloke. The cops overstepped the mark and were eventually punished. Thats all there is to this. The subsequent riots were not excusable. King was not a community leader, nor was he some sort of martyr. He was a drunk, violent persistent offender who rightly sought redress after the beating, but to my mind he should have been forced to give his compensation to the victims of his earlier crimes. andymadmak said:
Hugo a Gogo said:
ever think his alcoholism after the event might have had something to do with the infamy, with the brain damage, with the pain?
I think you might be over reaching a bit there ! King was a bad bloke. The cops overstepped the mark and were eventually punished. Thats all there is to this. The subsequent riots were not excusable. King was not a community leader, nor was he some sort of martyr. He was a drunk, violent persistent offender who rightly sought redress after the beating, but to my mind he should have been forced to give his compensation to the victims of his earlier crimes. and how does anyone know how his life might have gone afterwards if he hadn't have been beaten?
suddenly he's got brain damage, fame/infamy and millions of dollars, that's a bit of a game changer
Hugo a Gogo said:
andymadmak said:
Hugo a Gogo said:
ever think his alcoholism after the event might have had something to do with the infamy, with the brain damage, with the pain?
I think you might be over reaching a bit there ! King was a bad bloke. The cops overstepped the mark and were eventually punished. Thats all there is to this. The subsequent riots were not excusable. King was not a community leader, nor was he some sort of martyr. He was a drunk, violent persistent offender who rightly sought redress after the beating, but to my mind he should have been forced to give his compensation to the victims of his earlier crimes. and how does anyone know how his life might have gone afterwards if he hadn't have been beaten?
suddenly he's got brain damage, fame/infamy and millions of dollars, that's a bit of a game changer
he sounds like he was a 'domestic abuser' and robber before and a drunk, that seemingly didn't change - the point is no-one can know what could have been
maybe he'd have been dead sooner, but I'm pretty sure he wouldn't have drowned in his own swimming pool
maybe he'd have been dead sooner, but I'm pretty sure he wouldn't have drowned in his own swimming pool
Edited by Hugo a Gogo on Tuesday 19th June 10:23
Randy Winkman said:
Jimbeaux said:
Randy Winkman said:
Tiggsy said:
Jimbeaux said:
rohrl said:
Negative Creep - Your comments are just moronic. There wouldn't have been riots if it had been a white person arrested for DUI because a white person being arrested for DUI wouldn't have been viciously beaten by several members of the LAPD.
Jimbeaux - No surprise to see you here effectively denying that racism exists and blaming all the problems black people face in the USA on black people themselves. See New Orleans floods, Trayvon Martin, any number of other incidents.
I do not deny racism exists. I am pointing out that it is becoming more prevelant the other way, which is still racism like it or not.Jimbeaux - No surprise to see you here effectively denying that racism exists and blaming all the problems black people face in the USA on black people themselves. See New Orleans floods, Trayvon Martin, any number of other incidents.
Tiggsy said:
Jimbeaux said:
Tiggsy said:
Jimbeaux said:
rohrl said:
Negative Creep - Your comments are just moronic. There wouldn't have been riots if it had been a white person arrested for DUI because a white person being arrested for DUI wouldn't have been viciously beaten by several members of the LAPD.
Jimbeaux - No surprise to see you here effectively denying that racism exists and blaming all the problems black people face in the USA on black people themselves. See New Orleans floods, Trayvon Martin, any number of other incidents.
I do not deny racism exists. I am pointing out that it is becoming more prevelant the other way, which is still racism like it or not.Jimbeaux - No surprise to see you here effectively denying that racism exists and blaming all the problems black people face in the USA on black people themselves. See New Orleans floods, Trayvon Martin, any number of other incidents.
What next?...."them gays get more rights than us"
In fact, the only people who argue otherwise tend to be those who say "Why can't I say
...not fair, Jay Z can...why can't I - It's racism in reverse I tell you"So yes - In the UK there is racism both ways - black people have to overcome daily hurdles that, for many of them, will have a massive impact on their life/opportunities and white people can't do Chris Rock routines in the street.
To quote Louis Ck - "I'm not saying white people are better, I'm saying being white is clearly better - who could even argue with that?"
Edited by Tiggsy on Tuesday 19th June 07:08
Hugo a Gogo said:
so those LAPD officers who beat knew he would go on to have several drink driving charges in the future, that's why they beat him?
ever think his alcoholism after the event might have had something to do with the infamy, with the brain damage, with the pain?
No. What caused all the transgressions before that? Being an asshole? Try not to be so easy, please.ever think his alcoholism after the event might have had something to do with the infamy, with the brain damage, with the pain?
Jimbeaux said:
Hugo a Gogo said:
so those LAPD officers who beat knew he would go on to have several drink driving charges in the future, that's why they beat him?
ever think his alcoholism after the event might have had something to do with the infamy, with the brain damage, with the pain?
No. What caused all the transgressions before that? Being an asshole? Try not to be so easy, please.ever think his alcoholism after the event might have had something to do with the infamy, with the brain damage, with the pain?
Hugo a Gogo said:
happily for all of us, assholism is not a crime
No but beating up your wife, robbing shopkeepers and drink-driving at 115kph through town most probably is.On the issue of compensation, I do think it's highly irreponsible to give a recovering alcoholic or drug-addict a single large sum of money - perhaps smaller amounts over several years would be a better idea. Or vouchers.
Edited by fido on Tuesday 19th June 14:17
Hugo a Gogo said:
Jimbeaux said:
Hugo a Gogo said:
so those LAPD officers who beat knew he would go on to have several drink driving charges in the future, that's why they beat him?
ever think his alcoholism after the event might have had something to do with the infamy, with the brain damage, with the pain?
No. What caused all the transgressions before that? Being an asshole? Try not to be so easy, please.ever think his alcoholism after the event might have had something to do with the infamy, with the brain damage, with the pain?
Hugo a Gogo said:
so was this beating an official punishment for those crimes? (on top of whatever he'd already got for the robbery and wife-beating)
no it wasn't
try not to be so easy
Try not to be so ill-informed. Go "exist" in that area for even a short time and come back to discuss righteousness. It really is not that simple.no it wasn't
try not to be so easy
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