Your Tits are not killing you, love.

Your Tits are not killing you, love.

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singlecoil

33,888 posts

247 months

Tuesday 19th June 2012
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If it was me I would get my wife into a hospital (private if need be) immediately and get the problem sorted, find the money from somewhere, and argue about who should pay us back later.

hollydog

1,108 posts

193 months

Tuesday 19th June 2012
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We have the pips are out.

Eric Mc

122,167 posts

266 months

Tuesday 19th June 2012
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Do they squeak?

singlecoil

33,888 posts

247 months

Tuesday 19th June 2012
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smilesmile

hollydog

1,108 posts

193 months

Tuesday 19th June 2012
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The government say don't go abroad for any surgery because it may be dodgy well look at what 50 thousand ladies are having to deal with for having surgery here.

Eric Mc

122,167 posts

266 months

Tuesday 19th June 2012
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The surgery wasn't dodgy.

It was the materials used - which came from France, don't forget.

JuniorD

8,641 posts

224 months

Tuesday 19th June 2012
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Been following this thread and find it remarkable that some people think that the women affected are in some way to blame for what happened.

These surgeons and the private clinics are fking loaded and insured to the hilt. It suited them to use the crappest materials available as it means more profit in the operation for them. They specced the implant and, regardless of their knowing of any possible faults with them, they are responsible, not the customer. The customer had no contract with PIP, but the clinics did. Buck stops with them IMO.




hollydog

1,108 posts

193 months

Tuesday 19th June 2012
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After talking to lots of people over the last 7 months over this and seeing what some surgeons have done to the ladies to so call put them right at the cost of the patient i don't agree. There has been loads of f--k ups directly with the decision of the surgeon.
Thing is with the amount that is done there always going to be problems. After all the trouble you would of thought the surgeons would not f--k up but they still are.
There's a lot of unhappy ladies out there after they have had them replaced.

Eric Mc

122,167 posts

266 months

Tuesday 19th June 2012
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Morally - absolutely.

Legally - we don't know.

hollydog

1,108 posts

193 months

Tuesday 19th June 2012
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JuniorD said:
Been following this thread and find it remarkable that some people think that the women affected are in some way to blame for what happened.

These surgeons and the private clinics are fking loaded and insured to the hilt. It suited them to use the crappest materials available as it means more profit in the operation for them. They specced the implant and, regardless of their knowing of any possible faults with them, they are responsible, not the customer. The customer had no contract with PIP, but the clinics did. Buck stops with them IMO.
Well said . The thing is with the insurance the government have to admit that the implants are 100% faulty so you can make a clamp.

hollydog

1,108 posts

193 months

Tuesday 19th June 2012
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Don't forget as well the nhs have used pip and has replaced them due to all this. so in my eyes that is admitting fault.


There also could heath issues if you have them just removed. It leave a open pocket that your body can fill with fluid with can go bad.
And look on before and after pics on google images (on just removed) it can leave the ladies disfigured after.

Eric Mc

122,167 posts

266 months

Tuesday 19th June 2012
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Maybe people should have been a little more cautious about putting themselves under the surgeon's knife when it wasn't always necessary?

Invasive surgery should never be a consumer commodity.

hollydog

1,108 posts

193 months

Tuesday 19th June 2012
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voyds9 said:
Just another example of people wanting things on the cheap and then being upset with the quality.
Sorry there was no difference in the price of the surgery. It was the clinics that wanted to save the money the patients paid for a good product and got rubbish.

Edited by hollydog on Tuesday 19th June 14:59

Eric Mc

122,167 posts

266 months

Tuesday 19th June 2012
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When the options for this procedure were being examined, did the customer not compare the cost with other surgeries offering the same procedure?

Was cost a consideration when making the final decision?

And if it was, was the cheapest option chosen?

bobbylondonuk

2,199 posts

191 months

Tuesday 19th June 2012
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Genuine question...what happens at the end of a 10yr or whatever the life of the implant is?

Eric Mc

122,167 posts

266 months

Tuesday 19th June 2012
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Good question.

Explode?
Dissolve?
Slowly deflate accompanied by the sound of a whooppee cushion?

hollydog

1,108 posts

193 months

Tuesday 19th June 2012
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They do say you mite have to have them replaced in time. But they also say you could have them in for life and never have them replaced. They only need replacing if there's any problems with the implant which happens to a very small % of good implants. There are still ladies out there that have had implants in from the 70's and still got them in.

Eric Mc

122,167 posts

266 months

Tuesday 19th June 2012
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Too many uses of the words "could" and "might" (not "mite" by the way - that's a little creature that can cause skin problems - oh wait).

Did people really go ahead with these procedures without really thinking about the long term risks associated with them?

JuniorD

8,641 posts

224 months

Tuesday 19th June 2012
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The long term risks are one thing and people consider it to greater or lesser degree however the risk associated with PIP implants is an immediate short term risk which few would have chanced had they known.

I guess Eric if one knows that there is a million to one chance of your aircraft stacking it, you'll still go on your holiday. However if you knew that the specific type or even airline was significantly more susceptible to a catastrophic failure you'd be flying with someone else. Of course the passenger might know Nothing about a specific risk and will assume all Is safe or blindly trust or followthe advice of the service provider. This is the situation with these women.

I find the subject very emotive, particularly as my OH is a surgeon and she has a low opinion of the sharks involved in this situation.

Eric Mc

122,167 posts

266 months

Tuesday 19th June 2012
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As a said, commodifying surgical procedures raises deep ethical issues.