Home Office staff to strike on eve of Games
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Jimboka said:
With all due respect - you're talking rubbish...
So I'm wrong when I say only 20% bothered to vote? Oh no wait, that's correct.I'm wrong when I say Theresa May has probably the worst relationship with the Home Office of any Home Secretary in living memory? No, that's pretty accurate as well.
Which bit is the rubbish? Tell me.
martin84 said:
Jimboka said:
With all due respect - you're talking rubbish...
So I'm wrong when I say only 20% bothered to vote? Oh no wait, that's correct.I'm wrong when I say Theresa May has probably the worst relationship with the Home Office of any Home Secretary in living memory? No, that's pretty accurate as well.
Which bit is the rubbish? Tell me.
tty job and it always will be. You throw an aggressive *alpha* female into the mix and welcome to the party.May's trouble is that she is a "womans woman" and not a "mans woman", hence all the girls swooning over the kitten heels thing, fashion in govt, etc,etc. Blokes just rolled their eyes. Maggie was a blokes bird so could do her thing, May cant.
Whilst I have no doubt that if I had to work with her, May would rub me up the wrong way something chronic, I also harbour strong suspicions that the Home Office is f
king useless and needs someone taking it to task from top to bottom.DJRC said:
Id say its on a par with most of the rest of them. The Home Office has always been the awkward job and the Home Office minister *always* cops the most flack outside of the PM and Chancellor. Its always been a stty job and it always will be. You throw an aggressive *alpha* female into the mix and welcome to the party.
May's trouble is that she is a "womans woman" and not a "mans woman", hence all the girls swooning over the kitten heels thing, fashion in govt, etc,etc. Blokes just rolled their eyes. Maggie was a blokes bird so could do her thing, May cant.
Whilst I have no doubt that if I had to work with her, May would rub me up the wrong way something chronic, I also harbour strong suspicions that the Home Office is fking useless and needs someone taking it to task from top to bottom.
May hasn't done well but neither has Damian Green as Immigration Minister, he seems totally invisible and should have lost his job after they paid Brodie Clark off with £200,000.tty job and it always will be. You throw an aggressive *alpha* female into the mix and welcome to the party.May's trouble is that she is a "womans woman" and not a "mans woman", hence all the girls swooning over the kitten heels thing, fashion in govt, etc,etc. Blokes just rolled their eyes. Maggie was a blokes bird so could do her thing, May cant.
Whilst I have no doubt that if I had to work with her, May would rub me up the wrong way something chronic, I also harbour strong suspicions that the Home Office is f
king useless and needs someone taking it to task from top to bottom.So you're essentially saying the reason the Home Office and the Police etc don't like Theresa May is because she's a woman?
Bloody hell what a cop out. Yes it's a difficult job but it's a difficult job she's doing incredibly badly, which is more relevant than her gender.
I have a feeling PH'ers wouldn't defend a Labour female Home Secretary in the same way.
Bloody hell what a cop out. Yes it's a difficult job but it's a difficult job she's doing incredibly badly, which is more relevant than her gender.
I have a feeling PH'ers wouldn't defend a Labour female Home Secretary in the same way.
martin84 said:
So I'm wrong when I say only 20% bothered to vote? Oh no wait, that's correct.
I'm wrong when I say Theresa May has probably the worst relationship with the Home Office of any Home Secretary in living memory? No, that's pretty accurate as well.
Which bit is the rubbish? Tell me.
The Home Office budget in 08/09 was nigh on £12b. It's planned to be £8.9 next year.I'm wrong when I say Theresa May has probably the worst relationship with the Home Office of any Home Secretary in living memory? No, that's pretty accurate as well.
Which bit is the rubbish? Tell me.
Somewhere in that is the underlying and somewhat fundamental reason why Theresa May is getting it in the neck.
Still, Jacquie 42 day detention Smith is certainly in living memory...
onyx39 said:
strike now apparently cancelled / postponed..
Yup.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-18982453
Eric Mc said:
The Union copped on that a strike at this precise moment would be disastrous for their cause so this is a face-saving exercise.
I wonder when Mark Serotka will be ousted?
?I wonder when Mark Serotka will be ousted?
"A strike by Border Agency staff on the eve of the Olympics has been called off, sparing likely disruption at Heathrow airport and travel hubs around the UK on Thursday, after the Public and Commercial Services union claimed the government had performed an about-turn on job cuts.
Home Office members of the UK's largest civil services union were preparing to stage a one-day strike the day before Friday's opening ceremony, hitting services at immigration control as well as the passport service and the Criminal Records Bureau.
Speaking one hour before the government was due to launch a high court challenge against the looming strike, the PCS general secretary, Mark Serwotka, said a Home Office decision to hire 1,100 staff – including 800 border employees – had convinced the union to cancel its plans. "We believe that significant progress means that there is no case for the union to proceed with industrial action tomorrow," he said.
The PCS said the job adverts went a long way to clawing back Border Agency job cuts over the past two years, which were one of the key factors in the dispute. The 1,100 new jobs include a planned 300 extra staff at the Passport Service, the PCS said."
Fittster said:
Eric Mc said:
And you really believe that's why the strike was called off?
What facts do you have?One from Serotka claiming that he has successfully negotiated new jobs and claiming that it is because of this that the strike has been called of.
We also have a government statement saying that these jobs had been negotiated for and agreed months ago and had nothing to do with the call off of the strike.
Funny how the strike was called off with barely 60 minutes before a court was going to rule on its legality.
I reckon the word was coming down the the strike was going to be deemed by the judge to have been illegally called.
martin84 said:
So you're essentially saying the reason the Home Office and the Police etc don't like Theresa May is because she's a woman?
Bloody hell what a cop out. Yes it's a difficult job but it's a difficult job she's doing incredibly badly, which is more relevant than her gender.
I have a feeling PH'ers wouldn't defend a Labour female Home Secretary in the same way.
Because you are a moron who cant read, Ill repost what I wrote:Bloody hell what a cop out. Yes it's a difficult job but it's a difficult job she's doing incredibly badly, which is more relevant than her gender.
I have a feeling PH'ers wouldn't defend a Labour female Home Secretary in the same way.
"Id say its on a par with most of the rest of them. The Home Office has always been the awkward job and the Home Office minister *always* cops the most flack outside of the PM and Chancellor. Its always been a stty job and it always will be. You throw an aggressive *alpha* female into the mix and welcome to the party."
Ill tell you what, Ill highlight some bits for you to aid in your understanding:
"The Home Office has always been the awkward job and the Home Office minister *always* cops the most flack outside of the PM and Chancellor. Its always been a stty job and it always will be."
Right, now that we have established I was saying the above and not what you thought I was "essentially saying" , lets deal with that shall we? The Home Office doesnt like the Minister because the Home Office *never* likes the Minister. Every single one of them is treated with contempt by the dept. and its de facto modus operandi of continuing to function how it wants whilst taking as little notice as possible of the personal nominally in charge because they are absolutely convinced they know better and that said person will be replaced in a matter of months anyway. The more a Minister tries to interfere with the actual running of the dept, the more they make life awkward. British domestic political history is littered with these incidents. There is a reason the Yes Minister series lampoons it...and a reason it is so sharp and close to the bone. The Police dont like the Minister because in the last 40 yrs the dynamic has changed from the Minister being their boss who always protected them to being the boss who always shines a light on them to find bad behavior to hold upto the public to show "they are on the side of society". Ministers have spent the last 40yrs making the Police their private punchbags to make themselves look good whilst at the same time using them as their enforcers, safe behind the "no strike" legislation.
Now then, take that base level of opposition and throw into the mix someone who's personality is one that inherently will aggravate a large section of those she is in charge of. You can slice and dice that along whatever lines you wish, gender or otherwise, but its still only ever going to result in one thing...a right ballache.
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