Teen girl punched to the ground ..
Discussion
SeanyD said:
Pothole do you feel obliged to disagree with everyone?
Firstly I am calm, secondly where I live is missing the point. It's not that "people seem to be more ready to escalate situations to violence more readily", its the level and type of violence, gone are the days when people have round of fisty-cuffs to resolve a difference, now seems the job is not done until a ko is achieved, and then often a few more hoofs to the head for good measure to ensure the person aint getting up in a hurry, horrific. Maybe it's always been this way, maybe it is just that reporting has changed, but I didn't witness any of this stuff in my younger days of pubbing/clubbing.
I feel obliged to call out nonsense when I see it!Firstly I am calm, secondly where I live is missing the point. It's not that "people seem to be more ready to escalate situations to violence more readily", its the level and type of violence, gone are the days when people have round of fisty-cuffs to resolve a difference, now seems the job is not done until a ko is achieved, and then often a few more hoofs to the head for good measure to ensure the person aint getting up in a hurry, horrific. Maybe it's always been this way, maybe it is just that reporting has changed, but I didn't witness any of this stuff in my younger days of pubbing/clubbing.
"gone are the days when people have round of fisty-cuffs to resolve a difference, now seems the job is not done until a ko is achieved, and then often a few more hoofs to the head for good measure to ensure the person aint getting up in a hurry"
Is that because the rounds of fisticuffs are not happening anymore or just not being reported? Does it 'seem' different because you are exposed to a 24/7 voracious, ghoulish, sensationalist news media with an apparent agenda to make us think we live in chaos? Are you, Perhaps, extrapolating from a small number of such crimes being reported by said media and concluding that society is growing ever more violent?
There has always been violence, whether you saw it or not.
It has always been isolated and not commonplace, unless we're going back to Victorian times and earlier, except is certain horrible areas of the country. It is reported instantly now and, as I said before, the whole reason this kind of assault makes news is because it is not commonplace. Also, without the CCTV footage, this story would not have bothered any of us half as much, would it? I doubt it would even have been picked up by national media.
In summary, I don't think your daughter will be at significantly greater risk than your wife was growing up, if you teach her how to behave and to avoid trouble.
Edited by Pothole on Wednesday 21st November 17:06
SeanyD said:
Pothole do you feel obliged to disagree with everyone?
Firstly I am calm, secondly where I live is missing the point. It's not that "people seem to be more ready to escalate situations to violence more readily", its the level and type of violence, gone are the days when people have round of fisty-cuffs to resolve a difference, now seems the job is not done until a ko is achieved, and then often a few more hoofs to the head for good measure to ensure the person aint getting up in a hurry, horrific. Maybe it's always been this way, maybe it is just that reporting has changed, but I didn't witness any of this stuff in my younger days of pubbing/clubbing.
Nice chaps the Krays, and weren't the eighties such wonderful years for taking the kids to the match.Firstly I am calm, secondly where I live is missing the point. It's not that "people seem to be more ready to escalate situations to violence more readily", its the level and type of violence, gone are the days when people have round of fisty-cuffs to resolve a difference, now seems the job is not done until a ko is achieved, and then often a few more hoofs to the head for good measure to ensure the person aint getting up in a hurry, horrific. Maybe it's always been this way, maybe it is just that reporting has changed, but I didn't witness any of this stuff in my younger days of pubbing/clubbing.
Just higher levels of recording and reporting.
I grew up in a pretty decent area and witnessed a few unprovoked attacks, mate of mine was punched in the b
ks by a complete stranger who was walking past, when I shouted at him he started back towards me pulling a large ring spanner out of his inner pocket.I was lucky that two other friends had seen the incident and arrived 'cos he looked exceptionally angry. He was detained until the Police arrived and apparently it was not an isolated incident but he was homeless and they were not aware he was in the area.
Starfighter said:
XCP said:
Starfighter said:
How can this be anything other than GBH with intent?
Because cuts and bruises do not amount to GBH?stitched said:
I grew up in a pretty decent area and witnessed a few unprovoked attacks
Me and a mate were walking through town, flyering for a nightclub we were barmen at.. Walked round a corner and my mate got punched square in the face. The chap who done it was arrested later on that evening because of CCTV, turns out he had been kicked out of a bar and randomly started on anyone in the street because of it.Idiots.
ShampooEfficient said:
rhinochopig said:
One thing you have to ask though is what sort of abusive childhoods these people live through to turn out like the scumbags you describe.
Plenty of people have awful childhoods and turn out OK.Watching something like this really does make me angry. I imagine what I'd do if that was my girlfriend or if I had a daughter how I'd feel. fking furious doesn't cover it.
Doing that to anyone is extremely low, doing it to a young girl is off the scale.
fking scum, I truly hope he gets proper punishment, I bet the Muslim boys in the prison won't take kindly to it if he does get caught and put away....
king furious doesn't cover it.Doing that to anyone is extremely low, doing it to a young girl is off the scale.
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king scum, I truly hope he gets proper punishment, I bet the Muslim boys in the prison won't take kindly to it if he does get caught and put away....m3jappa said:
Watching something like this really does make me angry. I imagine what I'd do if that was my girlfriend or if I had a daughter how I'd feel. fking furious doesn't cover it.
Doing that to anyone is extremely low, doing it to a young girl is off the scale.
fking scum, I truly hope he gets proper punishment, I bet the Muslim boys in the prison won't take kindly to it if he does get caught and put away....
Totally agree - but given the state of our judiciary I'm afraid that it's a BIG IF!king furious doesn't cover it.Doing that to anyone is extremely low, doing it to a young girl is off the scale.
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king scum, I truly hope he gets proper punishment, I bet the Muslim boys in the prison won't take kindly to it if he does get caught and put away....
SPS said:
ShampooEfficient said:
rhinochopig said:
One thing you have to ask though is what sort of abusive childhoods these people live through to turn out like the scumbags you describe.
Plenty of people have awful childhoods and turn out OK.However, to pick up on your point: it's axiomatic that a violent or sexually abusive upbringing is more likely than not to instil the same behaviours in the abused in later life. There is a world of difference from being born and bred in a tough area to living through systemic violent and / or sexual abuse during your formative years.
I was born in Hull so I'm well aware of the products of a rough council estate upbringing; the only difference I had was two parents, who, from an early age defined what was and wasn't acceptable behaviour. I knew lots of kids who didn't have that benefit, and as a product of their upbringing where more than happy to stab someone over the most trivial things. At 16 I can remember seeing a lad arrive at a fight with a 9mm handgun, which fortunately wasn't used. I've witnessed - and narrowly avoided a kicking myself for stepping in - a chap literally beating his wife to a pulp whilst his mates just stood around looking the other way.
I taught in some unpleasant sink schools in Brum in the late 90s and I had one lad who would, on an almost daily basis, act up / get into a fight. It later turned out that his reason for this was because he didn't want to go home at night because he was being beaten regularly and a detention was preferable. That is way beyond what I would tough council estate upbringing.
The sad fact is that the first 'help' these people usually get is when they come to the attention of the criminal justice system and by then it's usually too late.
Edited by rhinochopig on Thursday 22 November 10:13
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