All that is wrong with this country
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MrBrightSi said:
As ive said before, post operative abortions for the little rat children and spaying the parents with spades. I have nothing positive to add
Selective quoting, I know - but really 
don't sit on the fence or anything, and don't feel you have to mince your words 
.Generally, some particular diagnoses are over-diagnosed, and that's not good.
I never got to the bottom of why one of my Year 7 pupils (when I was on a teaching placement) was very well known by the local community police officer, but this lad had been diagnosed with ADHD at Primary School and was a Grade A* Nutjob in the classroom
. His mother 
was a candidate for the treatment suggested in the quoted post... daveydave7 said:
+1
I suspect Oakey is from the area as he had commentated in the past on some local issues ?
The problem here in the school concerned is that the Headteacher and staff have had to work hard to improve the school with an ashtonishing lack of interest / co operation from many of the parents of kids that go there.
SO society is exactly the same as it was in the 60s then I suspect Oakey is from the area as he had commentated in the past on some local issues ?
The problem here in the school concerned is that the Headteacher and staff have had to work hard to improve the school with an ashtonishing lack of interest / co operation from many of the parents of kids that go there.
vonuber said:
turbobloke said:
The gradual feminising of curriculum and assessment has been more subtle.
I'm sorry. What??
te. This is so girls can do ology subjects and cos their mums helped them with the course work and the presentation is lovely the get an A*. Or put another way most women have intelligent DNA in them, however 95% of them spit it out.
I will never forget teaching in a school in a poor area, and in particular one kid. He was in the lowest class, but I could tell he was highly intelligent on my first day there.
He was gone in the afternoon, excluded for stealing money from the kitchens. The head rang his mother and got a tirade of abuse ending with "in the day he's your f^*Uing problem don't ring me again if he does something" (the mother had been unemployed for 15 years so it's not like she didn't have the time to help her son out).
This forever cemented my belief that poor parenting, and encouraging those that are not good parents to have kids via the benefits system is the root cause of "all that is wrong with this country".
Poor Darren, I'd put money on him being banged up now
, it makes me very sad.
He was gone in the afternoon, excluded for stealing money from the kitchens. The head rang his mother and got a tirade of abuse ending with "in the day he's your f^*Uing problem don't ring me again if he does something" (the mother had been unemployed for 15 years so it's not like she didn't have the time to help her son out).
This forever cemented my belief that poor parenting, and encouraging those that are not good parents to have kids via the benefits system is the root cause of "all that is wrong with this country".
Poor Darren, I'd put money on him being banged up now
, it makes me very sad. 0a said:
I will never forget teaching in a school in a poor area, and in particular one kid. He was in the lowest class, but I could tell he was highly intelligent on my first day there.
He was gone in the afternoon, excluded for stealing money from the kitchens. The head rang his mother and got a tirade of abuse ending with "in the day he's your f^*Uing problem don't ring me again if he does something" (the mother had been unemployed for 15 years so it's not like she didn't have the time to help her son out).
This forever cemented my belief that poor parenting, and encouraging those that are not good parents to have kids via the benefits system is the root cause of "all that is wrong with this country".
Poor Darren, I'd put money on him being banged up now , it makes me very sad.
Sadly this isn't exclusive to poor families. He was gone in the afternoon, excluded for stealing money from the kitchens. The head rang his mother and got a tirade of abuse ending with "in the day he's your f^*Uing problem don't ring me again if he does something" (the mother had been unemployed for 15 years so it's not like she didn't have the time to help her son out).
This forever cemented my belief that poor parenting, and encouraging those that are not good parents to have kids via the benefits system is the root cause of "all that is wrong with this country".
Poor Darren, I'd put money on him being banged up now
, it makes me very sad. One of the most disruptive kids in my wife's school came from a very affluent area in a massive house with wealthy parents. Same principle though - parents just didn't care about him and were too busy with their own lives.
Starfighter said:
I do wonder what would have happened if the kid in question had been allowed to stay in class and had actually then attacked someone? I suspect that several staff and the (not on site at the time) head would have been suspended....
The parent should have come in, collected the kid and absolutely bked him. 
turbobloke said:
williamp said:
do teachers really do the diagnosis?? I'm very surprised. if that is the case.
http://www.specialeducationalneeds.co.uk/UsefulInformation/SEN-EducationInfo/SchoolAction.htmlhttp://www.tes.co.uk/teaching-resource/Criteria-fo...
Jean Gross a former government adviser on children with speech language and communication needs complains that some schools use the SEN register as an explanation of failure
Edited by turbobloke on Saturday 2nd March 09:10
turbobloke said:
The occurrence of SEN pupils in English schools is five times the EU average 'because of chronic over-diagnosis by teachers' and 'a system of skewed incentives has encouraged schools to over-classify children as an excuse for poor performance'.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews...
...then this is just referring to a book written by someone which contains facts and figures (but I can't find any sources on them - nor are they supplied of course!). http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews...
As far as I know, teachers are allowed to question some children and get the ball rolling on having them diagnosed, but they are not qualified to classify children with SEN.
What may qualify some students to have SEN in this country, may be wider than in other countries. The other countries may also have a higher percentage of separate schools, for the more severe cases of SEN children. Just a thought...
vodkalolly said:
...Now we have no comminities as such, thanks to Thatcher mostly, ...
Are you able to blame Thatcher for anything and everything? Personally I suspect our older style "community" started breaking down much earlier than she was in power (or even a speck on that horizon).
It accelerated out of all control in the late 90s and on.
Ultimately, irrespective of those in power, it is down to the parents. End of story.
Someone else touched upon it, but the disease that afflicts this country is one of rights without responsibilities. At all ages. And I suspect we're over critical mass and that it will take something especially extreme if we are ever to see the situation reversed. Meanwhile I look forward to the day my little one threatens to sue me
Murph7355 said:
Are you able to blame Thatcher for anything and everything?
Personally I suspect our older style "community" started breaking down much earlier than she was in power (or even a speck on that horizon).
It accelerated out of all control in the late 90s and on.
Ultimately, irrespective of those in power, it is down to the parents. End of story.
Someone else touched upon it, but the disease that afflicts this country is one of rights without responsibilities. At all ages. And I suspect we're over critical mass and that it will take something especially extreme if we are ever to see the situation reversed. Meanwhile I look forward to the day my little one threatens to sue me
It was not really my intention to allocate blame for the demise of communities. I identified Thatcher more as a marker of the timeline. The effects that resulted in the decline of community are the closure of large manufacturing employers. The nearest thing we see today close to my home is probably in Crewe where large numbers of bikes can be seen exiting Crewe works at close of the working day. Here you can see the remnants of the way we once lived. Personally I suspect our older style "community" started breaking down much earlier than she was in power (or even a speck on that horizon).
It accelerated out of all control in the late 90s and on.
Ultimately, irrespective of those in power, it is down to the parents. End of story.
Someone else touched upon it, but the disease that afflicts this country is one of rights without responsibilities. At all ages. And I suspect we're over critical mass and that it will take something especially extreme if we are ever to see the situation reversed. Meanwhile I look forward to the day my little one threatens to sue me
Your point about the parents being responsible is of course correct. I do think we follow the examples set us though and the British Civil service and Quango employees certainly are characterized by "power without responsibility". It is that which results in a total lack of respect for the state. This is something missing from countries like France where the public take ownership of the state and embrace rather than ridicule it.
vodkalolly said:
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Your point about the parents being responsible is of course correct. I do think we follow the examples set us though and the British Civil service and Quango employees certainly are characterized by "power without responsibility". It is that which results in a total lack of respect for the state. This is something missing from countries like France where the public take ownership of the state and embrace rather than ridicule it.
And which party/govt took quangos and lack of accountability to new extremes....you need to be looking more recently than the 80s.Your point about the parents being responsible is of course correct. I do think we follow the examples set us though and the British Civil service and Quango employees certainly are characterized by "power without responsibility". It is that which results in a total lack of respect for the state. This is something missing from countries like France where the public take ownership of the state and embrace rather than ridicule it.
Also. The French? Are you mad man?
Murph7355 said:
And which party/govt took quangos and lack of accountability to new extremes....you need to be looking more recently than the 80s.
Also. The French? Are you mad man?
I agree his Tonyness certainly is guilty. The suggestions that another agency is needed invariably comes from the civil service btw. But yes spineless politicians of all persuasions have allowed the accession of the quango jellyfish.Also. The French? Are you mad man?
Are you suggesting the French are more cynical about their Gummint than we are?
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